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Sean Patchett and Erin Alladin
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  • Ep. 34 Bat Ecology with Dr. Dana Green, Part 1
    Dr. Dana Green is a bat expert who is known online as The Eyepatch Biologist. As a science communicator, a pun connoisseur, and a woman who knows a good joke when it's staring her in the face, she says of herself, "What a wonderful bat advocate to go half blind."In Dana's interview with Sean, she tells us about her master's degree studying grasshopper mice (predatory, solitary, highly aggressive mice that howl) and her PhD in bat ecology, which she completed at the University of Regina in Saskatchewan. We learn about echolocation and other bat chatter, fact check Hank Green's viral video (Do we know where bats go in winter? Not entirely...) and learn about bat species in Canada. We assuage some fears about bats carrying disease, explore the challenges of tracking bat migration, exclaim over the mysteries of bat reproduction, and celebrate their benefits in the garden. The episode is as wide-ranging as these fascinating mammals are, but we spend time especially on the lives of hoary bats, pallid bats, New Zealand's flightless bats, and the Mexican free-tailed bat...or at least their smell! Craving even more bat facts? Then you're in luck! Part two of this interview will be posted next week. Learn MoreDana's website: https://www.danagreeneco.com/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theeyepatchbiologistInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/eyepatchbiologist/Scientists and CommunicatorsSean and Dana drop a lot of names in this conversation. Here are the experts they mention: Hank Green, science communicator: https://hankgreen.com/ Dr. Brock Fenton, bat researcher and mentor of bat researchers: https://letstalkscience.ca/careers/brock-fentonMark Brigham, Dana's supervisor at the University of Regina: https://www.uregina.ca/science/biology/directory/academic-staff-and-adjuncts/mark-brigham.html  Robert Barclay, bat researcher: https://profiles.ucalgary.ca/robert-barclay Ted Weller, migratory hoary bat researcher: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Theodore-Weller Sophiane, aka @honkifurhoary, science communicator: https://www.instagram.com/honkifurhoary/Comments? Feedback? Want your garden question to be featured in a future Q&A segment?Email us, reach out over social media, or get Q&A priority by supporting us on Patreon.Bluesky: @plantsalwayswin.comTikTok: @plantsalwayswinpodcastYouTube: @PlantsAlwaysWinPodcastWebsite: www.plantsalwayswin.comDiscord: https://discord.gg/K6wF9dY4JaCitationsBat Reproduction Fact CheckH, T. (2020, October 16). BAT Reproduction – Illinois BAT Conservation program. https://www.illinoisbats.org/bat-reproduction   Timestamps00:12 Introducing Dr. Dana Green01:36 Bats, Grasshopper Mice, and Going Feral: Dana's Education Journey04:55 Sound Bite: Grasshopper Mouse05:01 Can You Hear Echolocation? 05:30 Sound Bite: Echolocation07:25 Dana's Retinal Detachment15:40 Dana Caused Sean's First TikTok Violation16:53 Bat Species in Canada19:00 The Bat Research Community21:30 Do We Know Where Bats Go In Winter?25:53 Bats' Unique Relationship with Disease28:47 Tangent: Funding Rant31:00 Back to Bat Tracking34:45 Ted Weller, Bat Pregnancy, and Pups41:36 The Pallid Bat, Potential Pollinator and Centipede Eater44:00 Bats as Garden Friends47:33 Outdoor Cats are Ecological Disasters51:42 Bats' Horrendous Smell53:46 Conclusion and Contact Us
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  • Ep. 33 Establishing Apples, Eradicating Horsetail & Fertilizing Flowers
    Our gardens are winding down for the season, but our audience is putting on a growth spurt! This crop of new listeners has seeded our Q&A inbox with a flush of questions, which we love to see. And while we’d normally answer these at the end of our versus episodes, we currently have a backlog of recorded episodes and we don’t want folks to have to wait for answers. That means it’s time for another Q&A special!We start with questions inspired by Sean’s recent video about an apple tree sold with its graft and root flare buried well below soil level. If you want to understand how fruit trees are grafted and sold, how to plant them successfully, and what to expect from them as they grow, keep your ears peeled for this conversation.Next, we move on to plants that listeners are hoping to get rid of, touching briefly on bindweed (covered more thoroughly in episode 31) before digging into horsetail, that pervasive prehistoric plant. The question was “How do I get rid of it?” and we do address that—but you’ll find some options you might not have expected in our answers.Finally, we chat about an anecdote that was shared with us: “This year I learned that cosmos don’t like fertilizer.” It’s true that feeding nitrogen to flowering plants will push them to produce more greenery than blooms. But we’re here to offer some education on what you can do to give them a boost.Comments? Feedback? Want your garden question to be featured in a future Q&A segment? Email us, reach out over social media, or get Q&A priority by supporting us on Patreon. Discord: https://discord.gg/K6wF9dY4Ja Bluesky: @plantsalwayswin.com TikTok: @plantsalwayswinpodcast YouTube: @plantsalwayswinpodcastWebsite: www.plantsalwayswin.com Learn MoreAbout Horsetail: https://www.rhs.org.uk/weeds/horsetailFind bare-root fruit trees grown in Ontario from:Golden Bough Tree Farm (Marlbank, ON, in Tweed): https://goldenboughtreefarm.ca/ Northern Food Forest (Calvin, ON, near North Bay): https://northernfoodforest.ca/ Pineneedle Farms (Pontypool, ON, within Kawartha Lakes: https://www.pineneedlefarms.ca/ Silver Creek Nursery (Wellesley, Ontario, in the Waterloo region): https://silvercreeknursery.ca/Whiffletree Farm & Nursery (Elora, ON): https://www.whiffletreefarmandnursery.ca/ CreditsWebsite Design and Illustration by Sophia AlladinIntro and Outro Music from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!): https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/when-my-ukulele-playsLicense code: GWOIMMBAS15FG6PHTimestamps00:12 Intro00:55 What’s Growing On? Erin's Fall Fair Entries04:46 What's Growing On? Sean's Fall Fruit Trees Planting08:50 Water Break10:42 Is a buried graft the reason my apple tree keeps dying?11:43 What is a root flare? 14:54 Do nurseries make mistakes like this on purpose to sell more trees?16:36 Will a tree always die if its graft is below ground level?19:07 If you let suckers from a root stock grow up, will they produce fruit?21:40 If the tree survives having its graft buried, is everything okay?23:00 I planted apples 3-4 years ago. They are suckering like crazy and haven’t produced any fruit. What can I do?25:45 What fruit tree is best to plant in Ontario - something hardy and not fussy?30:15 What if I need to eradicate field bindweed from my lawn instead of my garden?35:42 How can I get rid of horsetail? I tried replacing all my soil and it still came back.45:01 Fertilizing stopped my flowers from blooming. What should I have done?56:00 Outro and Contact Us
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  • Ep. 32: Home Composting with Delaina Arnold
    Do you make compost at home? Do you delight in the experience? If your answer to either of those questions is no, this week’s guest is here to help.Delaina Arnold is the community programs manager with the Georgian Bay Mnidoo Gamii Biosphere, a UNESCO-designated “ecologically significant” landscape where people are striving to live in balance with nature. As part of that striving, the Biosphere launched a pilot project in 2025 to help people learn about home composting, to get started doing it themselves, and to troubleshoot any problems. Now we get to benefit from all that education, as Delaina answers Erin’s questions on the subject.We begin with the big question: why bother rotting our kitchen scraps at all? Then it’s on to busting common myths before entering a crash course on home composting: where to place your bin, what type to make or buy, and how not to hate the container you use for collecting scraps. We troubleshoot common problems like wildlife, smell, and slow decomposition, then get into a tangent on the truth about using urine in your compost. Of course we also cover how to decompose your garden trimmings safely and what to do with manure. Ready to make some black gold with us? Then dive in to the interview.Learn More“Do the Rot Thing” webinar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74UODcc3IZEAll the Biosphere’s short, downloadable gardening guides, including “Composting 101”: https://georgianbaybiosphere.com/gardens/The Biosphere’s community calendar: https://georgianbaybiosphere.com/events/     The Georgian Bay Biosphere Reserve website: https://georgianbaybiosphere.com/CitationsUrine and Soil StudyRumeau, M., Pistocchi, C., Ait-Mouheb, N., Marsden, C., & Brunel, B. (2024). Unveiling the impact of human urine fertilization on soil bacterial communities: A path toward sustainable fertilization. Applied Soil Ecology, 201, 105471. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.apsoil.2024.105471Follow the Biosphere On Social MediaOn Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/gbtownship/ On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GBayBiosphere Comments? Feedback? Want your garden question to be featured in a future Q&A segment? Email us, reach out over social media, or get Q&A priority by supporting us on Patreon. Discord: https://discord.gg/K6wF9dY4Ja Bluesky: @plantsalwayswin.com TikTok: @plantsalwayswinpodcast YouTube: @plantsalwayswinpodcastWebsite: www.plantsalwayswin.com CreditsWebsite Design and Illustration by Sophia AlladinIntro and Outro Music from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!): https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/when-my-ukulele-playsLicense code: GWOIMMBAS15FG6PHTimestamps00:12 Intro00:47 Meet Delaina Arnold of the Georgian Bay Biosphere01:50 What is the Georgian Bay Biosphere Reserve?05:08 Why Home Composting Matters: Landfills, Methane, and Soil09:09 The Seguin & Township of Georgian Bay Kitchen to Compost Pilot Project11:33 Myths about Home Composting: Wildlife, Stirring, and What to Add14:47 What if You Don't Turn Your Compost? Erin's Dirty, Little Secret16:35 Where to Locate Your Compost Bin: Sun, Drainage, and Access18:14 Choosing Your Compost Bin20:09 Pick a Cute Countertop Compost Container22:30 Composting Tips23:27 Composting Troubleshooting25:15 Wildlife Problems with Compost29:19 Fact Check: Adding Urine to Compost32:20 Brown Materials You Can Add34:05 Can You Add Garden Clippings to Your Compost Bin? 37:45 Resources and Contact for the Georgian Bay Biosphere39:30 Outro and Contact Us
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  • Ep. 31: Joyful Gardening with Chris Paul Rainbows
    “I am very enthusiastic about [gardening]. I don't know if I'm that great at it. I'm not very knowledgeable. I can't really answer any of your garden questions, but I love getting my hands dirty.”Gardening is for everyone! We’ve interviewed plenty of experts on Plants Always Win who’ve mastered everything from groundcovers to home hydroponics, but every so often we like to bring you a less experienced guest who is already skilled in one crucial area: gardening with joyful abandon.In their day job, Chris Paul Rainbows is a speaker and strategist who helps organizations create spaces where everyone belongs. In their own space at home, Chris has tapped into the joy that 80s and 90s children’s television once brought them, designing whimsical gardens inspired by Polkadot Door, Mr. Dressup, Sesame Street, and more. They take us back to the urban-farm inspiration that led them to buy their current home, and the transformation it has undergone with chickens, rabbits, and a surprise pumpkin patch that led to some heartwarming community building. Community, gardening, and cultivating joy are inextricable subjects for Chris, who is an activist for queer and trans visibility. We talk hostas, native plants, managing invasive bindweed, and Chris’ upcoming debut book for 2026, Guinea Pigs Don’t Wear Pants. Now come on into the pumpkin patch through the Polkadot Door and remind yourself just how FUN gardening can be. Find Chris Paul Rainbows Onlineat their website, where you can also find information about Chris’ upcoming picture book, Guinea Pigs Don’t Wear Pants: https://www.chrispaulrainbows.com/ on TikTok: tiktok.com/@chrispaulrainbowson Instagram: instagram.com/chrispaulrainbows/on YouTube: youtube.com/@chrispaulrainbows on Facebook: facebook.com/Chrispaulrainbows/on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/chrisfarias/ Learn More About The Unicorn Fund: https://www.chrispaulrainbows.com/blog/unchained-philanthropy-hamiltonComments? Feedback? Want your garden question to be featured in a future Q&A segment? Email us, reach out over social media, or get Q&A priority by supporting us on Patreon. Discord: https://discord.gg/K6wF9dY4Ja Bluesky: @plantsalwayswin.com TikTok: @plantsalwayswinpodcast YouTube: @plantsalwayswinpodcastWebsite: www.plantsalwayswin.com CreditsWebsite Design and Illustration by Sophia AlladinIntro and Outro Music from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!): https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/when-my-ukulele-playsLicense code: GWOIMMBAS15FG6PHTimestamps00:25 Introduction and Housekeeping01:55 Meet Chris Paul Rainbows03:10 Gardening as Play06:29 Protesting for Urban Chickens07:47 Female and Male Gingko Biloba Trees09:35 Corpse Flowers and Little Shop of Horrors11:30 Pest Control and Fertilizer: Chickens Will Provide13:45 Can You Go to Jail for an Overgrown Lawn?15:17 Invasive Micro-Clover Lawn Replacement16:29 Militant Native Plant Communities17:23 Chris' Inner Child Garden Project19:47 300 Accidental Pumpkin Plants21:54 The Unicorn Fund and the Most Sincere Pumpkin Patch24:14 Pumpkin Care and Powdery Mildew27:30 Strange and Fun Pumpkin Types29:15 Hand Pollinating Pumpkins30:30 The Importance of Queer and Trans Joy33:50 Plant Sexes and Pollination37:15 Chris and Sean Talk Parrots and Budgies41:03 Dealing with Field Bindweed47:27 Chris' Children's TV-inspired Garden Plans48:39 Relationship Roles: The Problem Maker and the Problem Solver49:36 How Oscar the Boxwood Grouch Started Everything52:09 Find Chris Online52:46 Chris' Upcoming Picture Book, Guinea Pigs Don't Wear Pants53:56 Outro and Contact Us
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  • Ep. 30: Sassafras vs. Cola Nut
    Are you finding yourself thirsty for a little soda pop this summer? How about for some botanical knowledge about soda pop’s history?In this plant face-off episode, Erin and Sean put some fizz into the competition with the plants behind two iconic flavours: the cola nut that gives cola its kick, and the sassafras that puts the root in root beer. Or, at least, the plants that did serve those roles before the advent of artificial flavouring. Erin takes the first swig with a dramatic overview of the North American Sassafras albidum, an aromatic tree with a long history of use for medicine, food, furniture, and one nautical beverage that almost saw it hunted to extinction. She peers into the muddy waters surrounding its first use in root beer and, later, its controversial ban by the FDA, speculates about Choctaw influence on its use in gumbo, and delights over the Kanien’kéha (Mohawk) name, wenhákeras, meaning “smelly thing.”  Sean takes his kick at the can with the cola nut, the key ingredient behind the flavour and caffeine of cola beverages. He discusses the flavourful Malvaceae family tree of the West African cola tree (also spelled kola) (Cola nitida and Cola acuminata) and its surprising identity as a broad-leaf evergreen before serving up some knowledge about the fruit’s growing habits and its cultural history as a stimulant and a beverage ingredient. After some medical meanderings and a look at modern-day distribution, we wrap up Coca-Cola origins and its present-day ingredients.Who had the most interesting facts to share today? Vote for your favourite by tagging us on social media and using the hashtag #PAWFaceOff. Comments? Feedback? Want your garden question to be featured in a future Q&A segment? Email us, reach out over social media, or get Q&A priority by supporting us on Patreon. Discord: https://discord.gg/K6wF9dY4Ja Bluesky: @plantsalwayswin.com TikTok: @plantsalwayswinpodcast YouTube: @plantsalwayswinpodcastWebsite: www.plantsalwayswin.com CreditsWebsite Design and Illustration by Sophia AlladinIntro and Outro Music from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!): https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/when-my-ukulele-playsLicense code: GWOIMMBAS15FG6PHCitationsCommon names for sassafrasWood and charcoal indentification in southern MD. (n.d.). https://apps.jefpat.maryland.gov/woodandcharcoalid/Webpages-trees/Sassafras.htmIndigenous names for sassafrasPlenty Canada. (2024). SaSSaFras. Greenbelt Indigenous Botanical Survey. https://gibsurvey.ca/species/sassafrasFurniture usesPackard Forest Products. (2011, October 30). Sassafras - Packard Forest products. https://packardforestproducts.com/lumber/hardwood-lumber/species-guide/sassafras/Food and medicine usesMacKinnon, A., & Kershaw, L. (2016). Edible and medicinal plants of Canada. Publishing Partners.Root beer’s origins and the banning of safrole oilVerberg, S. (2023, November 30). Root beer: the quintessential American soda. American Homebrewers Association. https://homebrewersassociation.org/beyond-beer/root-beer-the-quintessential-american-soda/Sassafras oil and toxicityhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pharmacology-toxicology-and-pharmaceutical-science/sassafrasThe history of sassafras in North AmericaSassafras: Native gem of North America. (2022, October 10). Cornell Botanic Gardens. https://cornellbotanicgardens.org/sassafras-native-gem-of-north-americaSassafras in OntarioSassafras. (n.d.). ontario.ca. https://www.ontario.ca/page/sassafrasGrowing sassafrasSassafras albidum (Cinnamon Wood, Common Sassafras, Mitten Tree, Sassafras, White Sassafras) | North Carolina Extension Gardener Plant Toolbox. (n.d.). https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/sassafras-albidum/Hassani, N. (2025, May 7). How to grow and care for sassafras. The Spruce. https://www.thespruce.com/sassafras-tree-plant-profile-5199214Cola nut overviewKola Trees (Genus Cola). (n.d.). iNaturalist. https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/132989-ColaWikipedia contributors. (2025, July 18). Kola nut. Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_nutCola nut etymologyKola - Etymology, Origin & Meaning. (n.d.). Etymonline. https://www.etymonline.com/word/kolaMedicinal uses for cola nut and caffeineCola nut: health benefits, side effects, uses, dose & precautions. (2021, June 11). RxList. https://www.rxlist.com/supplements/cola_nut.htm#:~:text=Cola%20nut%20is%20used%20for,used%20as%20a%20flavoring%20ingredientTimestamps00:11 Introduction01:13 What's Growing On? Sean's Fruit Shrubs and Willow Wall03:38 What's Growing On? Reciprocity in Erin's Vegetable Garden06:03 The Range of Serviceberry Taste06:51 Water Break: Regionalisms07:19 The Plant Face-Off08:25 Sassafras Albidum, an Aromatic Shrub09:08 The Etymology of Sassafras 11:10 Indigenous Names for Sassafras12:55 The Distinct Look of a Sassafras Tree15:47 Wildlife, Building and Dye Use of Sassafras16:16 Sassafras' Medicinal Properties20:00 Eating Sassafras leaves, stems, and pith21:49 How Sassafras Gave Us Root Beer...And What Went Wrong25:27 The Great Sassafras Hunts for Saloop27:33 The Invention of Root Beer28:50 Making Fermented vs. Carbonated Root Beer30:24 Growing Sassafras for Beauty, Hedges, Specimen Trees, and Remediation36:05 Water Break: Love Your Library37:28 Cola Nut? Kola Nut? Pick Your Spelling.39:54 West African Names for Cola Nut40:58 The Etymology of Cola Nut42:56 The Cola Tree, Both Evergreen and Deciduous43:55 Cola's Unusual Flowering and Fruiting Habit45:45 Cola Range and Cultivation46:44 The Cola Nut: A Fleshy Pod47:57 Culinary and Medicinal Uses of Cola51:00 Cultural and Hospitality Uses in West Africa52:29 Cola Nut Harvesting53:20 The Invention of Coca Cola54:40 1880 Ad for Coca Cola, an "Intellectual Beverage"56:11 Conclusion and Contact Us
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