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Caley's Grevillea :: Grevillea caleyi
Bad at Goodbyes :: Episode 072

On today’s show we learn about the Caley's Grevillea, a critically endangered flowering shrub native to Australia, specifically to the state of New South Wales, north of Sydney, near the Pacific coast. Its scientific name is Grevillea caleyi and it was first described in 1830.
(00:05) Intro
(02:05) Species Information
(24:59) Citations
(27:11) Music
(33:34) Pledge

For more information about Caley's Grevillea conservation, please see the New South Wales Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water at https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/.

Research for today’s show was compiled from:
Auld, T.D. & Makinson, R. 2020. Grevillea caleyi. The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species 2020: e.T112648700A113309255. – https://dx.doi.org/10.2305/IUCN.UK.2020-2.RLTS.T112648700A113309255.en
Auld, Tony D., and J. A. Scott. 2004. "Estimating Population Abundance in Species with Dormant Life-Stages: Fire and the Endangered Plant Grevillea Caleyi R. Br." Ecological Management & Restoration 5 (2): 125–29 - https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1442-8903.2004.00187.x
Auld, Tony D, and Judith Scott. 2013. “Integrating Fire Management into Conservation Actions for the Threatened Shrub ‘Grevillea Caleyi.’” Australasian Plant Conservation: Journal of the Australian Network for Plant Conservation 22 (1): 2--4. – https://doi.org/10.5962/p.373496
Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water. (2026, March 23). Grevillea caleyi — Caley's Grevillea. Species Profile and Threats Database. – http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/sprat/public/publicspecies.pl?taxon_id=9683
Howes, Jeff, and Dan Clarke. 2021. "Grevillea Caleyi." Australian Plants Society NSW. August 7, 2021. – https://resources.austplants.com.au/plant/grevillea-caleyi/.
Llorens, T., Ayre, D. & Whelan, R. Evidence for ancient genetic subdivision among recently fragmented populations of the endangered shrub Grevillea caleyi (Proteaceae). Heredity 92, 519–526 (2004). – https://doi.org/10.1038/sj.hdy.6800444
Llorens, Tanya. 2003. Genetic Structure and Diversity in the Soil-Stored Seed Bank of the Endangered Grevillea caleyi. Sydney: Australian Flora Foundation. - https://aff.org.au/results/grant-summaries/aff-llorens-g_caleyi/
Morris, E. Charles. 2000. "Germination response of seven east Australian Grevillea species (Proteaceae) to smoke, heat exposure and scarification." Australian Journal of Botany 48 (2): 179–89. – https://doi.org/10.1071/BT98051
NSW Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water (DCCEEW). 2025. "Tricking Herbivore Noses to Aid Plant Conservation." Environment and Heritage. August 1, 2025. – https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/news/tricking-herbivore-noses-aid-plant-conservation-news
NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service. 2022. Conservation Action Plan: Caley's Grevillea (Grevillea caleyi). Parramatta: Department of Planning and Environment. – https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/conservation-action-plan-caleys-grevillea-220101.pdf
Office of Environment and Heritage. 2024. “Caley's Grevillea - Profile.” Threatened Species Profile, NSW BioNet. – https://threatenedspecies.bionet.nsw.gov.au/profile?id=10361
Royal Botanic Gardens and Domain Trust (1999-2011) PlantNET - The Plant Information Network System of The Royal Botanic Gardens and Domain Trust, Sydney, Australia (version 2.0). – http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Grevillea~caleyi
Wikipedia – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grevillea_caleyi

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A note on accuracy: I strive for it! These episodes are well-researched and built from scholarly sources, hoping to provide an informed and accurate portrait of these species. That said, I’m a musician! I am not an academic and have limited scientific background. I may get things wrong! If you are using this podcast for scholarship of any kind, please see the cited sources and double-check all information.

Northern River Terrapin :: Batagur baska
Bad at Goodbyes :: Episode 071
On today’s show we learn about the Northern River Terrapin, a critically endangered reptile native to South Asia, in the Sundarbans, in the Ganges River Delta in India and Bangladesh. Its scientific name is Batagur baska and it was first described in 1830.
(00:05) Intro
(02:05) Species Information
(26:50) Citations
(28:55) Music
(35:39) Pledge

For more information about Northern River Terrapin conservation please see the People’s Trust for Endangered Species at https://ptes.org/grants/worldwide-projects/northern-river-terrapins/

Research for today’s show was compiled from:
Alam, Md. Shafiul, Nasrin Sultana Bristy, Mohammad Firoj Jaman, A. S. M. Morshed, Md. Shariar Rahman, Ebtesamul Haque Mim, and S. M. Mahbubul Alam. 2021. "Feeding Ecology and Growth Performance of the Critically Endangered Batagur baska in Captivity." Herpetological Conservation and Biology 16 (2): 452–460. – https://www.herpconbio.org/contents_vol16_issue2.html
Balan Raveendran, A., Nath, A., Ahmad, A., Das, A. (2025). Conservation Strategies for Northern River Terrapin Batagur baska: Habitat Assessment and Reintroduction prospects. Global Ecology and Conservation. 62. e03763. – https://doi.org/10.1016/j.gecco.2025.e03763
Davenport, John, Tat Meng Wong, and John East. 1992. "Feeding and digestion in the omnivorous estuarine turtle Batagur baska (Gray)." Herpetological Journal 2 (4): 133–139 – https://www.thebhs.org/publications/the-herpetological-journal/volume-2-number-4-october-1992/1298-06-feeding-and-digestion-in-the-omnivorous-estuarine-turtle-batagur-baska-gray
Dedieu, A., Scherzer, N., Paumann T., Morshed A.G.J., Weissenbacher A., Walzer C., and Preininger, D. "Camera Traps Provide First Insights into the Nesting Behavior of the Critically Endangered Northern River Terrapin (Batagur baska)," Chelonian Conservation and Biology 22(1), 46-57, (14 March 2023). – https://doi.org/10.2744/CCB-1543.1
Jorgewich-Cohen, G., Wheatley, M., Gaspar, L., Praschag, P., Lubberink, N., Ming, K., Rodriguez, N. and Ferrara, C. (2024), Prehatch Calls and Coordinated Birth in Turtles. Ecology and Evolution, 14: e70410. – https://doi.org/10.1002/ece3.70410
Kumar, A., Sharma, A., Negi, N. et al. Unveiling the contemporary genetic diversity and population demography of the critically endangered northern river terrapin (Batagur baska) in the sundarbans. Molecular Biology Reports 53, 48 (2026). – https://doi.org/10.1007/s11033-025-11208-5
Mim, Ebtisamul Zannat, Mohammad Firoj Jaman, AGJ Morshed, Md Mahabub Alam, and Nasrin Akter Bristy. 2022. “Breeding Biology of Northern River Terrapin Batagur Baska in Captivity in Bangladesh”. Dhaka University Journal of Biological Sciences 31(1):67-78. – https://doi.org/10.3329/dujbs.v31i1.57917
Nawani, S., Balan Raveendran, A., Bashir, A., Kolipakam, V., Das, A., Mondol, S. (2025). Assessment of critically endangered Northern River Terrapin (Batagur baska) phylogeny through next-generation sequencing-based mitogenome analyses. bioRxiv 2025.02.03.636247. – https://doi.org/10.1101/2025.02.03.636247
People’s Trust for Endangered Species – https://ptes.org/grants/worldwide-projects/northern-river-terrapins/
Praschag, P. & Singh, S. 2019. Batagur baska. The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species 2019: e.T97358453A2788691. – https://dx.doi.org/10.2305/IUCN.UK.2019-1.RLTS.T97358453A2788691.en
Spitzweg, C., Praschag, P., DiRuzzo, S., Fritz, U. (2018). Conservation genetics of the northern river terrapin (Batagur baska) breeding project using a microsatellite marker system. Salamandra, 54(1), 63–70. – http://www.salamandra-journal.com/index.php/contents/2018-vol-54?category[0]=95
Sundarban Tiger Reserve. (2023). Annual Report 2022–23. Directorate of Forests, Government of West Bengal. – https://sundarbantigerreserve.org/web/pdf/an_report/2022_23_annual_report.pdf
Weissenbacher, A., Preininger, D., Ghosh, R., Morshed, A.G.J. and Praschag, P. (2015), Vienna Zoo & Bangladesh: Northern River Terrapin Conservation. International Zoo Yearbook. 49: 31-41. – https://doi.org/10.1111/izy.12070
Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_river_terrapin

Please find us on the web at Bad at Goodbyes and on instagram. Please subscribe and rate/review Bad at Goodbyes wherever you listen to podcasts. Please help spread the word about the show and about the species we feature. Please take care of each other, and all of our fellow travelers.
A note on accuracy: I strive for it! These episodes are well-researched and built from scholarly sources, hoping to provide an informed and accurate portrait of these species. That said, I’m a musician! I am not an academic and have limited scientific background. I may get things wrong! If you are using this podcast for scholarship of any kind, please see the cited sources and double-check all information.

Canelillo :: Pleodendron costaricense
Bad at Goodbyes :: Episode 070
On today’s show we learn about the Canelillo, a critically endangered broadleaf evergreen rainforest tree native to the Pacific coast of Costa Rica in Central America. Its scientific name is Pleodendron costaricense and it was first described in 2005.
(00:05) Intro
(02:05) Species Information
(21:02) Citations
(22:57) Music
(27:41) Pledge

For more information about Canelillo conservation see Osa Conservation at https://osa-arboretum.org.

Research for today’s show was compiled from:
Bezanson S, Curtis S, Mata-Quiros M, Mata-Quiros MJ, Durst T (2024) Phytochemistry of the Fruit of the Critically Endangered Tree Pleodendron Costaricense (Canellaceae). JSM Environmental Science and Ecology 12(1): 1091. – https://www.jscimedcentral.com/jounal-article-info/JSM-Environmental-Science-and-Ecology/Phytochemistry-of-the-Fruit-of-the-Critically-Endangered-Tree-Pleodendron-Costaricense-(Canellaceae)--11736#
Endress, P. K. (2010). The evolution of floral biology in basal angiosperms. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences, 365(1539), 411–421. – https://doi.org/10.1098/rstb.2009.0228
Hammel, Barry E., and Nelson A. Zamora. 2005. "Pleodendron costaricense (Canellaceae), a New Species for Costa Rica." Lankesteriana 5 (3): 211–218. – https://doi.org/10.15517/lank.v5i3.19758
Mata, M., & Calvo Guerrero, M. Preformulación teórica de un producto natural antifúngico a partir de extractos obtenidos de las hojas del árbol Pleodendron costaricense. Revista Ciencia Y Salud, 6(6). – https://doi.org/10.34192/cienciaysalud.v6i6.554
Müller, Sebastian, Karsten Salomo, Jackeline Salazar, Julia Naumann, M. Alejandra Jaramillo, Christoph Neinhuis, Taylor S. Feild, and Stefan Wanke. 2015. "Intercontinental Long-Distance Dispersal of Canellaceae from the New to the Old World Revealed by a Nuclear Single Copy Gene and Chloroplast Loci." Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 84 (March): 205–19. – https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ympev.2014.12.010
Osa Arboretum. n.d. "Pleodendron costaricense." – https://osa-arboretum.org/plant/pleodendron-costaricense/
Pillco Huarcaya R, López Morales M, Álvarez-Alcázar L, Whitworth A. The First Ex-Situ Germination and Dispersal Mechanisms of the Rare, Critically Endangered Tree, Pleodendron costaricense. Tropical Conservation Science. 15 (1). 2022.– https://doi.org/10.1177/19400829221104572
Rivers, M.C. 2019. Pleodendron costaricense. The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species 2019: e.T136055038A136055040. – https://dx.doi.org/10.2305/IUCN.UK.2019-3.RLTS.T136055038A136055040.en
Roque, Roger Moya; Salazar, Manuel Morales; Wiemann, Michael C.; Alvarez, Luis Poveda. 2007. Wood anatomy of Pleodendron costaricense (Canellaceae) from Southern Pacific, Costa Rica. Brenesia. Vol. 68 (2007): p. 25-28. - https://www.fpl.fs.usda.gov/documnts/pdf2007/fpl_2007_roque001.pdf
Smith, Paul. 2021. “The Need for Horticulturist Expertise in Plant Conservation: Challenges and Opportunities”. Sibbaldia: The International Journal of Botanic Garden Horticulture, no. 20 (June): 45-56. – https://doi.org/10.24823/Sibbaldia.2021.316
Zimmer, Elizabeth A., Y Suh, and Kenneth G Karol. 2012. “Phylogenetic Placement of a Recently Described Taxon of the Genus Pleodendron (Canellaceae).” Phytologia 94 (3): 404--412. – https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/part/184468

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A note on accuracy: I strive for it! These episodes are well-researched and built from scholarly sources, hoping to provide an informed and accurate portrait of these species. That said, I’m a musician! I am not an academic and have limited scientific background. I may get things wrong! If you are using this podcast for scholarship of any kind, please see the cited sources and double-check all information.

Slender-billed Vulture :: Gyps tenuirostris
Bad at Goodbyes :: Episode 069
On today’s show we learn about the Slender-billed Vulture, a critically endangered avian raptor, a bird of prey, native to South and Southeast Asia, specifically Nepal, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Cambodia, and Laos. Its scientific name is Gyps tenuirostris and it was first described in 1844.
(00:05) Intro
(02:05) Species Information
(27:51) Citations
(29:43) Music
(37:03) Pledge

For more information about Slender-billed Vulture conservation please see Saving Asia’s Vultures from Extinction at https://save-vultures.org.

Research for today’s show was compiled from:
BirdLife International. 2021. Gyps tenuirostris. The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species 2021: e.T22729460A204781113. – https://dx.doi.org/10.2305/IUCN.UK.2021-3.RLTS.T22729460A204781113.en
BirdLife International (2021). Species factsheet: Slender-billed Vulture Gyps tenuirostris. – https://datazone.birdlife.org/species/factsheet/slender-billed-vulture-gyps-tenuirostris 25/02/2026
del Hoyo, J., N. Collar, and J. S. Marks (2020). Slender-billed Vulture (Gyps tenuirostris), version 1.0. In Birds of the World (J. del Hoyo, A. Elliott, J. Sargatal, D. A. Christie, and E. de Juana, Editors). Cornell Lab of Ornithology, Ithaca, NY, USA.– https://doi.org/10.2173/bow.slbvul1.01
Hille, Sabine M., Fränzi Korner-Nievergelt, Maarten Bleeker, and Nigel J. Collar. “Foraging Behaviour at Carcasses in an Asian Vulture Assemblage: Towards a Good Restaurant Guide.” Bird Conservation International 26, no. 3 (2016): 263–72. – https://doi.org/10.1017/S0959270915000349
Jackson, A. L., Ruxton, G. D., & Houston, D. C. (2008). The effect of social facilitation on foraging success in vultures: a modelling study. Biology letters, 4(3), 311–313. – https://doi.org/10.1098/rsbl.2008.0038
Mundy, P. J., 2022. Measurements and shape of the Slender-billed Vulture Gyps tenuirostris. Indian BIRDS 18 (3): 82–85. – https://indianbirds.in/vol-18-no-3/
The Peregrine Fund. n.d. “Slender-billed Vulture.” Explore Raptors. – https://peregrinefund.org/explore-raptors-species/vultures/slender-billed-vulture
Prakash, Vibhu, Hemant Bajpai, Soumya S. Chakraborty, Manan Singh Mahadev, John W. Mallord, Nikita Prakash, Sachin P. Ranade, Rohan N. Shringarpure, Christopher G. R. Bowden, and Rhys E. Green. “Recent Trends in Populations of Critically Endangered Gyps Vultures in India.” Bird Conservation International 34 (2024): e1. – https://doi.org/10.1017/S0959270923000394
Ranade, Sachin P. 2025. “Time Activity Budget of White-Rumped Vulture and Slender-Billed Vulture During Breeding in Captivity.” bioRxiv. – https://doi.org/10.64898/2025.12.09.693217
Sound Recording by Phil Gregory. 2024. Xeno-Canto. XC899521 – xeno-canto.org/899521
Virani, M., P.C. Benson, M. Gilbert, and S. Thomsett. 2004. A survey of the reproductive activities at some Gyps vulture nests in Kanha, Bandhavgarh and Ranthambhore National Parks, India, in the 2002/2003 breeding season. Pages 263-268 in R.D. Chancellor and B.-U. Meyburg (Eds.) Raptors Worldwide. World Working Group on Birds of Prey and Owls, Berlin and MME/BirdLife Hungary, Budapest. – https://assets.peregrinefund.org/docs/pdf/research-library/2004/2004-Virani-vultures.pdf
Wikipedia – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slender-billed_vulture
Wildlife Institute of India (2018). National Studbook of Gyps Vultures (Gyps bengalensis, G. indicus and G. tenuirostris), Wildlife Institute of India, Dehradun and Central Zoo Authority, New Delhi.TR. No2018/38 Pages: 142. – https://cza.nic.in/uploads/documents/studbooks/hindi/Gyps%20Vultures%20(Gyps%20spp).pdf

Please find us on the web at Bad at Goodbyes and on instagram. Please subscribe and rate/review Bad at Goodbyes wherever you listen to podcasts. Please help spread the word about the show and about the species we feature. Please take care of each other, and all of our fellow travelers.
A note on accuracy: I strive for it! These episodes are well-researched and built from scholarly sources, hoping to provide an informed and accurate portrait of these species. That said, I’m a musician! I am not an academic and have limited scientific background. I may get things wrong! If you are using this podcast for scholarship of any kind, please see the cited sources and double-check all information.

Caroline's Pink :: Stenandrium carolinae
Bad at Goodbyes :: Episode 068
On today’s show we learn about the Caroline's Pink, a critically endangered flowering herbaceous perennial plant native to North Caicos and Middle Caicos, islands in the Turks and Caicos archipelago, a British Overseas Territory in the Caribbean region, in the Atlantic Ocean. Its scientific name is Stenandrium carolinae and it was first described in 1960.
(00:05) Intro
(02:05) Species Information
(20:16) Citations
(22:18) Music
(28:28) Pledge

For more information about conservation on the Turks and Caicos islands please see the UK Overseas Territories Conservation Forum at https://www.ukotcf.org.
Research for today’s show was compiled from:
Earle-Mundil, H., Manco, B., Hamilton, M. & Clubbe, C. 2012. Stenandrium carolinae. The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species 2012: e.T16726348A16727210. – https://dx.doi.org/10.2305/IUCN.UK.2012-1.RLTS.T16726348A16727210.en
Franck, Alan R., and Thomas F. Daniel. 2015. "Taxonomic and Nomenclatural Notes on Six Genera of Acanthaceae in the West Indies." Proceedings of the California Academy of Sciences, Series 4, 62 (10): 309–29. – https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285235613_Taxonomic_and_Nomenclatural_Notes_on_Six_Genera_of_Acanthaceae_in_the_West_Indies
Institute for Regional Conservation. n.d. "Stenandrium carolinae." Plants of the Bahama Archipelago. – https://regionalconservation.org/ircs/database/plants/PlantPageBAH.asp?TXCODE=Stencaro
Leonard, Emery C. 1960. "Acanthaceae Americanae Novae vel Criticae." Wrightia 2: 75–82. – https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/766031
Long, Robert W. 1970. “The Genera of Acanthaceae in the Southeastern United States.” Journal of the Arnold Arboretum 51 (3): 257--309. – https://doi.org/10.5962/bhl.part.7043.
May, Christopher, Samuel Pike, Katie Medcalf, B. Naqqi Manco, Dodly Prosper, and Junel Blaise. 2024. "Conservation and Resilience." Times of the Islands, Spring 2024. – https://www.timespub.tc/2024/03/conservation-and-resilience/
Pelembe, T., and G. Cooper, eds. UK Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies: 2011 Biodiversity Snapshot. Peterborough, UK: Joint Nature Conservation Committee, 2011. – https://jncc.gov.uk/resources/e5d8c245-e94d-4043-b1b8-f353c27cd9b4#ot-biodiversity2011-turks-caicos-appendices.pdf
Pienkowski, Mike, ed. 2002. Plan for Biodiversity Management and Sustainable Development around Turks & Caicos Ramsar Site. Version 1.00. Turks & Caicos National Trust and UK Overseas Territories Conservation Forum. – https://www.ukotcf.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/TCIRamsarSiteManPlan.pdf
UK Overseas Territories Conservation Forum. n.d. "Turks and Caicos Islands." – https://www.ukotcf.org.uk/wider-caribbean/turks-and-caicos-islands/
Sanchez, Michele Dani, Bryan Naqqi Manco, Junel Blaise, Marcella Corcoran, Martin Allen Hamilton. 2019. "Conserving and Restoring the Caicos Pine Forests: The First Decade." Plant Diversity 41 (2): 75–83. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.pld.2018.05.002

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A note on accuracy: I strive for it! These episodes are well-researched and built from scholarly sources, hoping to provide an informed and accurate portrait of these species. That said, I’m a musician! I am not an academic and have limited scientific background. I may get things wrong! If you are using this podcast for scholarship of any kind, please see the cited sources and double-check all information.