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  • Guy Ritchie's The Covenant (2023) w/ Sam Carliner | Ep. 36
    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.bangbangpod.comVan and Lyle are joined by journalist Sam Carliner to unpack Guy Ritchie’s The Covenant, a 2023 entry into the Afghanistan war movie canon. Together they examine how the film reinforces the myth, heavily circulated in the wake of the 2021 U.S. pullout, that American troops and Afghan interpreters were bonded as brothers in arms, fighting a noble, shared war against evil. While the film’s central relationship between Master Sergeant John Kinley (Jake Gyllenhaal) and his Afghan interpreter Ahmed (Dar Salim) is marked by quick banter and trust, the reality on the ground was often far icier; mutually suspicious relationships shaped by Islamophobia, infiltration, coercion, and years of betrayal.The conversation digs into the emotional beats of the film and what they obscure. Kinley and Ahmed each risk their lives to save the other, and their intertwined fates become the “covenant” of the title. But rather than offering a serious reckoning with U.S. violence, the film functions as a feel-good fable of reciprocal loyalty, centering a “Good Muslim” who rescues his “Good American” friend, only to be rescued in return—with the arrival of private contractors cast as a climactic moment of salvation rather than as mercenary forces profiting off the neo-colonial periphery. The backdrop of a 20-year U.S. occupation and a 40-year civil war, both shaped and fueled by American policy, is left untouched.The film doesn’t argue the U.S. should have stayed in Afghanistan, but it’s steeped in post-withdrawal melancholia, more interested in soothing American audiences than engaging historical truth. And yet, in its final scene, Kinley and Ahmed staring blankly from the cargo bay of a C-130, the production evokes an eerily similar ending to Zero Dark Thirty: The protagonists afloat in transit, surrounded by machinery, without any real sense of where they’re going or why.Further ReadingSam’s SubstackNo Good Men Among the Living by Anand GopalThe Fort Bragg Cartel by Seth HarpGood Muslim, Bad Muslim by Mahmood MamdaniBang-Bang doing Zero Dark ThirtyTeaser from the EpisodeGuy Ritchie’s The Covenant Trailer
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  • The Art of Memoir and Stories of Conversion w/ George Dardess | Ep. 35
    Politics behind the scenes: A rare glimpse behind the curtain as Van, Lyle, and guest George Dardess talk about about memoir and stories of conversion. They discuss their own experiences relating to Monterey, California and the Defense Language Institute before getting into personal radicalization, the art of close reading, and the question of conscience that looms louder until it consumes you—which side are you on? This conversation took place prior to recording a forthcoming episode about the film Downfall (although we’re releasing a few episodes ahead of Downfall). Good thing the mics were on, because this conversation has haunted Van (in a good way) ever since.Further ReadingLyle’s memoirColette’s memoirA selection of George’s writing Traudl Junge’s memoirThe next episode to drop: Guy Ritchie’s The Covenant! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.bangbangpod.com/subscribe
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  • Andor (2025), Season 2 Ep. 10–12 + Rogue One (2016) w/ Matt Duss and Paul Adlerstein | Ep. 34
    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.bangbangpod.comIn this finale to our Andor series, Van and Lyle are joined by returning guest Paul Adlerstein and—making his first appearance on the pod—Matt Duss, former foreign policy advisor to Senator Bernie Sanders and current executive vice president at the Center for International Policy.The conversation spans the closing arc of Andor Season 2 and Rogue One, treating them as one long meditation on revolutionary grief, sacrifice, and strategy. We reflect on Kleya Marki’s backstory, Deedra Meero’s karmic consignment to the labor camps, and the quiet closure of Bix Caleen’s journey from warrior to survivor, cradling new life in a liberated field.We also discuss Cassian’s confrontation with the rebel leadership and his scathing defense of Luthen Rael. Namely, his accusation that those who sit in safety have committed only a fraction of the sacrifice they demand of others. As well as Bail Organa’s (wink wink, nod nod) “May the Force be with you, captain,” sealing the fate of Cassian’s transition from hunted thief to selfless insurgent.In our Rogue One discussion, we note the apocalyptic awe of Krennic’s “Oh, it’s beautiful” as he watches Jedha obliterated, a moment that recalls the real-world language of U.S. reporters and officials after Hiroshima.Further ReadingMatt on TwitterCenter for International PolicyMatt’s other podcast (with Van)Paul’s website“Witnessing the A-Bomb, but Forbidden to File,” by David W. Dunlap“Andor Is the Best Star Wars You Will Ever See,” by David KlionProject Fulcrum: Nemik’s Weekly ManifestoTeaser from the EpisodeAndor Season 2 Trailer
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  • The Battle of Chile (Part III) (1975) and Obstinate Memory (1997) w/ Jonathan M. Katz | Ep. 33
    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.bangbangpod.comThis is Part III of our three-part series covering the Battle of Chile (itself a trilogy). Check out Part I and Part II!Van and Lyle are joined by journalist and historian Jonathan M. Katz to discuss Patricio Guzmán’s seminal Battle of Chile trilogy—widely regarded as one of the greatest political documentaries ever made—alongside its 1997 epilogue, Obstinate Memory. Our conversation was recorded mostly in the weeks after Trump’s reelection but before his inauguration, and the urgency of that moment colors much of our analysis. At the heart of it: What can the Chilean road to socialism and its systematic destruction teach us about the slow corrosion of democratic institutions in the U.S. and elsewhere? And how might the fates of Salvador Allende, the Popular Unity coalition, and Chilean workers help illuminate the emerging dynamics of the global far right?We dig into the paradoxes and possibilities of the Allende years: the failed balancing act between revolution and legality; the coordinated resistance from business owners, professionals, and the military; the question of whether a peaceful transition to socialism was ever possible. We examine how The Battle of Chile dissects the infrastructure of counterrevolution—economic pressure, street violence, parliamentary sabotage, and media warfare—and what it means to rewatch these films in our current moment. And we talk about the strength and tragedy of mass mobilization, the unarmed marches and factory occupations, and the fateful decision not to arm the people.Further ReadingThe Racket, Jonathan’s newsletterGangsters of Capitalism: Smedley Butler, the Marines, and the Making and Breaking of America’s Empire, by Jonathan KatzAmerica, América: A New History of the New World, by Greg Grandin“Defending Allende,” by Ariel DorfmanTeaser from the EpisodeBattle of Chile Trailer
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  • The Battle of Chile (Part II) (1975) w/ Jonathan M. Katz | Ep. 32
    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.bangbangpod.comThis is Part II of our three-part series covering the Battle of Chile (itself a trilogy). Check out Part I!Van and Lyle are joined by journalist and historian Jonathan M. Katz to discuss Patricio Guzmán’s seminal Battle of Chile trilogy—widely regarded as one of the greatest political documentaries ever made—alongside its 1997 epilogue, Obstinate Memory. Our conversation was recorded mostly in the weeks after Trump’s reelection but before his inauguration, and the urgency of that moment colors much of our analysis. At the heart of it: What can the Chilean road to socialism and its systematic destruction teach us about the slow corrosion of democratic institutions in the U.S. and elsewhere? And how might the fates of Salvador Allende, the Popular Unity coalition, and Chilean workers help illuminate the emerging dynamics of the global far right?We dig into the paradoxes and possibilities of the Allende years: the failed balancing act between revolution and legality; the coordinated resistance from business owners, professionals, and the military; the question of whether a peaceful transition to socialism was ever possible. We examine how The Battle of Chile dissects the infrastructure of counterrevolution—economic pressure, street violence, parliamentary sabotage, and media warfare—and what it means to rewatch these films in our current moment. And we talk about the strength and tragedy of mass mobilization, the unarmed marches and factory occupations, and the fateful decision not to arm the people.Further ReadingThe Racket, Jonathan’s newsletterGangsters of Capitalism: Smedley Butler, the Marines, and the Making and Breaking of America’s Empire, by Jonathan KatzAmerica, América: A New History of the New World, by Greg Grandin“Defending Allende,” by Ariel DorfmanTeaser from the EpisodeBattle of Chile Trailer
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A show about war movies, with an anti-imperialist twist. Hosted by Van Jackson and Lyle Jeremy Rubin--military veterans, war critics, and wannabe film critics. www.bangbangpod.com
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