Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

What if gravity is just entropy in disguise? Professor Erik Verlinde joins me to argue that gravity isn't a fundamental force—it's thermodynamic, emerging from quantum information the way gas pressure emerges from molecules bouncing around. We explore why spacetime may be stitched together by entanglement, and how dark energy and dark matter both pop out automatically without extra particles or parameters. Verlinde explains why the cosmological constant problem is a red herring, and why there may be no final theory of physics. When asked where the universe comes from, his answer is one word: chaos.

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TIMESTAMPS:
- 00:00:00 - Thermodynamic Gravity and Information
- 00:06:35 - Beyond Effective Field Theory
- 00:13:08 - Turtles All The Way Down
- 00:25:41 - Entropy as a Force
- 00:36:31 - Entanglement and Spatial Connectivity
- 00:47:31 - Deriving Inertia and F=ma
- 00:56:41 - De Sitter Space Challenges
- 01:02:01 - Dark Matter and Milgram
- 01:11:51 - The Emergence of Time
- 01:21:01 - Statistical Gravity Fluctuations
- 01:27:01 - Quantum Computational Complexity
- 01:36:01 - Physics Intuition and Mentorship
- 01:47:31 - Beauty, Garbage, and Chaos

LINKS MENTIONED:
Papers, books, websites:
- https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Tm64-J0AAAAJ
- https://journals.aps.org/prb/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevB.4.3174
- https://arxiv.org/abs/1001.0785
- https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.02269
- https://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.47.777
- https://amazon.com/dp/0486600688?tag=toe08-20
- https://www.nature.com/articles/248030a0
- https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:The_Field_Equations_of_Gravitation
- https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9504004
- https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0603001
- https://arxiv.org/abs/1005.3035
- https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0106112
- https://arxiv.org/pdf/1408.3203
- https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.02087
- https://arxiv.org/abs/1905.08255
- https://www.ias.edu/sns/events/iaspctspgi-workshop-quantum-aspects-black-holes-and-spacetime
- https://amazon.com/dp/0262533413?tag=toe08-20
Videos:
- https://youtu.be/HIoviZe14pY
- https://youtu.be/X4PdPnQuwjY
- https://youtu.be/xZnafO__IZ0
- https://youtu.be/gEK4-XtMwro
- https://youtu.be/-BsHh3_vCMQ
- https://youtu.be/3mhctWlXyV8
- https://youtu.be/bprxrGaf0Os
- https://youtu.be/zNZCa1pVE20
- https://youtu.be/ZUp9x44N3uE
- https://youtu.be/2p_Hlm6aCok
- https://youtu.be/kUHOoMX4Bqw
- https://youtu.be/_yebLXsIdwo
- https://youtu.be/Ve_Mpd6dGv8
- https://youtu.be/0YRlQQw0d-4
- https://youtu.be/Bnh-UNrxYZg
- https://youtu.be/hF4SAketEHY
- https://youtu.be/Iya6tYN37ow
- https://youtu.be/0_Px5gbs9i0
- https://youtu.be/gsSJPLX-BTA
- https://youtu.be/73IdQGgfxas
- https://youtu.be/c8iFtaltX-s
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What if physics is just the universe learning? Most Theories of Everything episodes are mind‑bending for their math, physics, philosophy, or consciousness implications. This one hits all four simultaneously. Professor Vitaly Vanchurin joins me to argue the cosmos isn't just modeled by neural networks—it literally is one. Learning dynamics aren't a metaphor for physics; they are the physics. Vanchurin shows why we need a three‑way unification: quantum mechanics, general relativity, and observers.

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TIMESTAMPS:
- 00:00:00 - The Neural Network Universe
- 00:05:48 - Learning Dynamics as Physics
- 00:11:52 - Optimization and Variational Principles
- 00:21:17 - Deriving Fundamental Field Equations
- 00:28:47 - Fermions and Particle Emergence
- 00:37:17 - Geometry of Learning Algorithms
- 00:44:53 - Emergent Quantum Mechanics
- 00:50:01 - Renormalization and Interpretability
- 00:57:00 - Second Law of Learning
- 01:05:10 - Subatomic Natural Selection
- 01:15:40 - Consciousness and Learning Efficiency
- 01:24:09 - Unifying Physics and Observers
- 01:31:01 - Qualia and Hidden Variables
- 01:40:24 - Free Energy Principle Integration
- 01:46:04 - Epistemological Doubt and Advice

LINKS MENTIONED:
- Vitaly's Papers: https://inspirebeta.net/literature?sort=mostrecent&size=25&page=1&q=find%20author%20vanchurin
- Vitaly's Lecture: https://youtu.be/TagDLiLb2VQ
- Vitaly's Website: https://cosmos.phy.tufts.edu/~vitaly/
- Towards A Theory Of Machine Learning [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.09280
- Autonomous Particles [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2301.10077
- Emergent Field Theories From Neural Networks [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2411.08138
- Covariant Gradient Descent [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.05279
- A Quantum-Classical Duality And Emergent Spacetime [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/1903.06083
- Emergent Quantumness In Neural Networks [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.05082
- Predictability Crisis In Inflationary Cosmology And Its Resolution [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9905097
- Stationary Measure In The Multiverse [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/0812.0005
- The World As A Neural Network [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2008.01540
- Self-Organized Criticality In Neural Networks [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2107.03402v1
- One Hundred Authors Against Einstein [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/B09PHH7KC8?tag=toe08-20
- Geocentric Cosmology: A New Look At The Measure Problem [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/1006.4148
- Jacob Barandes [TOE]: https://youtu.be/gEK4-XtMwro
- Yang-Hui He [TOE]: https://youtu.be/spIquD_mBFk
- Eva Miranda [TOE]: https://youtu.be/6XyMepn-AZo
- Felix Finster [TOE]: https://youtu.be/fXzO_KAqrh0
- Stephen Wolfram [TOE]: https://youtu.be/FkYer0xP37E
- Stephen Wolfram 2 [TOE]: https://youtu.be/0YRlQQw0d-4
- Avshalom Elitzur [TOE]: https://youtu.be/pWRAaimQT1E
- Ted Jacobson [TOE]: https://youtu.be/3mhctWlXyV8
- Geoffrey Hinton [TOE]: https://youtu.be/b_DUft-BdIE
- Wayne Myrvold [TOE]: https://youtu.be/HIoviZe14pY
- Cumrun Vafa [TOE]: https://youtu.be/kUHOoMX4Bqw
- Claudia De Rham [TOE]: https://youtu.be/Ve_Mpd6dGv8
- Lee Smolin [TOE]: https://youtu.be/uOKOodQXjhc
- Consciousness Iceberg [TOE]: https://youtu.be/65yjqIDghEk
- Matthew Segall [TOE]: https://youtu.be/DeTm4fSXpbM
- Andres Emilsson [TOE]: https://youtu.be/BBP8WZpYp0Y
- Will Hahn [TOE]: https://youtu.be/3fkg0uTA3qU
- David Wallace [TOE]: https://youtu.be/4MjNuJK5RzM
- Karl Friston [TOE]: https://youtu.be/uk4NZorRjCo
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From Ancient Egypt to Leibniz... Brand‑new interview out with Robert Spekkens of the Perimeter Institute, one of the sharpest minds working on quantum foundations. In 2004, he constructed a classical toy theory where your maximum knowledge is always incomplete—and out popped the no-cloning theorem, teleportation, and interference effects Feynman deemed impossible to reproduce classically. Spekkens compares our situation to Egyptian hieroglyphs before Champollion: a category mistake where we treat quantum states as descriptions of reality when they actually describe knowledge of reality. If you’re interested in the topics above, you’ll love this podcast.

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TIMESTAMPS:
- 00:00:00 - Defining Quantum Innovation
- 00:06:40 - Realism vs. Empiricism
- 00:12:12 - Leibnizian Methodological Principle
- 00:23:40 - Causal Explanations of Correlations
- 00:30:24 - Epistemic Quantum States
- 00:41:00 - Foil Theory Methodology
- 00:54:00 - Causal Influence vs. Signaling
- 01:07:27 - Thermodynamics and Ignorance
- 01:15:00 - Conceptual Understanding in Physics
- 01:21:00 - Philosophy of Physics Utility
- 01:30:00 - Speckins' Toy Theory Origins
- 01:40:13 - Perimeter Institute's Ambitious DNA
- 01:52:00 - PBR Theorem Implications
- 02:05:40 - Ontic Separability Assumptions
- 02:17:40 - Hieroglyphs and Category Mistakes
- 02:29:00 - Revolutionizing Modern Physics
- 02:37:20 - Unscrambling Causation and Inference

LINKS MENTIONED:
Journals, papers, books:
- https://www.rwspekkens.com
- https://pirsa.org/speaker/Robert-Spekkens
- https://arxiv.org/pdf/2507.01122
- https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0401052
- https://arxiv.org/abs/0706.2661
- https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0406166
- https://arxiv.org/pdf/2207.11779
- https://amazon.com/dp/1108066488?tag=toe08-20
- https://www.jstor.org/stable/687269
- https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-copenhagen/
- https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/identity-indiscernible/
- https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/specrel.pdf
- https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-holearg/
- https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/mathematics/hidden-variable-theory
- https://www.nature.com/articles/299802a0
- https://arxiv.org/pdf/2011.01286
- https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02058098
- https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.07161
- https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/maxwells-equation
- https://www.einstein-online.info/en/spotlight/equivalence_principle/
- https://perimeterinstitute.ca/
- https://amazon.com/dp/9810241054?tag=toe08-20
- https://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.47.777
- https://arxiv.org/abs/1111.3328
- https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/rosetta-stone-hieroglyphs-champollion-decipherment-egypt-180980834/
- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160932707000282
Videos:
- https://youtu.be/gEK4-XtMwro
- https://youtu.be/YWbjI-QsH2E
- https://youtu.be/fU1bs5o3nss
- https://youtu.be/NKOd8imBa2s
- https://youtu.be/6I2OhmVWLMs
- https://youtu.be/Tghl6aS5A3M
- https://youtu.be/HIoviZe14pY
- https://youtu.be/bprxrGaf0Os
- https://youtu.be/4MjNuJK5RzM
- https://youtu.be/c8iFtaltX-s
- https://youtu.be/9AoRxtYZrZo
- https://youtu.be/uOKOodQXjhc
- https://youtu.be/3mhctWlXyV8
- https://youtu.be/gsSJPLX-BTA
- https://youtu.be/FFW14zSYiFY
- https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs
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Hot off the press, Professor Subir Sarkar makes the case that dark energy doesn’t exist (and he’s not being provocative for its own sake). He’s the former head of Oxford’s particle theory group, serves on the Particle Data Group. Sarkar's group has found that the cosmic acceleration supposedly driving the universe's expansion is directional—not uniform as required by a cosmological constant—appearing only in the direction we're moving through space. He claims the 2011 Nobel Prize-winning discovery rests on a century-old assumption of cosmic isotropy that his data now falsifies at over 5 sigma. "We need to go back to square one."

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LINKS MENTIONED:
- https://inspirehep.net/literature/52370
- https://journals.aps.org/pr/abstract/10.1103/PhysRev.174.2168
- https://www.nature.com/articles/srep35596
- https://arxiv.org/abs/1610.08972
- https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993ApJ...413L.105P/abstract
- https://arxiv.org/abs/1503.01229
- https://inference-review.com/article/heart-of-darkness
- https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/206/2/377/1024995
- https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235329300_The_NRAO_VLA_sky_survey
- https://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.3627
- https://arxiv.org/abs/1608.06483
- https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=hYPXSjkAAAAJ&citation_for_view=hYPXSjkAAAAJ:k_IJM867U9cC
- https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.03.18.533281v2.full
- https://amazon.com/dp/0486472051?tag=toe08-20
- https://youtu.be/xZnafO__IZ0
- https://youtu.be/kUHOoMX4Bqw
- https://youtu.be/5pOpcCT6AmY
- https://youtu.be/guQIkV6yCik
- https://youtu.be/6I2OhmVWLMs
- https://youtu.be/dG_uKJx6Lpg
- https://youtu.be/sGm505TFMbU
- https://youtu.be/Ve_Mpd6dGv8
- https://youtu.be/hF4SAketEHY
- https://youtu.be/X4PdPnQuwjY
- https://youtu.be/zNZCa1pVE20
- https://youtu.be/ZUp9x44N3uE
- https://youtu.be/fAaXk_WoQqQ
- https://arxiv.org/abs/1506.01354
- https://www.nature.com/articles/366029a0
- https://arxiv.org/pdf/1808.04597
- https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2014/08/aa23413-14.pdf
- https://arxiv.org/pdf/2411.10838
- https://archive.org/details/generalprinciple0000paul/page/n1/mode/2up
- https://arxiv.org/pdf/1205.3365
- https://amazon.com/dp/0471925675?tag=toe08-20
- https://arxiv.org/abs/1112.3108
- https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/9506283
- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/037026938491565X
- https://journals.aps.org/rmp/pdf/10.1103/RevModPhys.79.1349
- https://link.springer.com/article/10.1140/epjs/s11734-021-00199-6
- https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10701-005-9042-8
- https://journals.aps.org/rmp/abstract/10.1103/9ygx-z2yq
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This is an interview with Stuart Kauffman, one of the founders of complexity theory. He invented random Boolean networks at only 23 years old and helped establish the Santa Fe Institute. Now 86, he makes a striking claim: there is no theory of everything. Kauffman argues that biological evolution creates genuinely new possibilities that cannot be deduced from prior states—paralleling the ancient Chinese Tao more than Plato's Logos. He also believes he's found something new in quantum gravity (and, in his words, "genuinely huge"). He unveils it here for the first time.

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LINKS MENTIONED:
- Investigations [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/B00W0DHAH6?tag=toe08-20
- Stuart Kauffman's Books [Amazon]: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B000APT8XK
- A Third Transition In Science? [Article]: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rsfs/article/13/3/20220063/89381/A-third-transition-in-science-A-third-transition
- Genetic Regulatory Mechanisms In Protein Synthesis [Paper]: https://www.gs.washington.edu/academics/courses/braun/55106/readings/jacob_and_monod.pdf
- Is Mind In Spacetime? [Paper]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38969235/
- The World Is Not A Theorem [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2101.00284
- Origins Of Order [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0195079515?tag=toe08-20
- The Universal Constructor [Article]: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.157.3785.180.a
- Metabolic Stability And Epigenesis In Random Genetic Nets [Paper]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0022519369900150
- Antichaos And Adaptation [Article]: https://www.jstor.org/stable/24938683
- The Selfish Gene [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0199291152?tag=toe08-20
- Biological Organization As Closure Of Constraints [Paper]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022519315001009
- Physics And Philosophy [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0061209198?tag=toe08-20
- Combinatorial Chemistry: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/nursing-and-health-professions/combinatorial-chemistry
- Connections [Series]: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/amzn1.dv.gti.484e32c5-60bd-4493-a800-e44fd0940312
- Gonen Ashkenasy's Papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=7kP7Fi4AAAAJ
- Michael Levin [TOE]: https://youtu.be/c8iFtaltX-s
- Anna Ciaunica & Michael Levin [TOE]: https://youtu.be/2aLhkm6QUgA
- Plato's Cave [TOE]: https://youtu.be/PurNlwnxwfY
- "Is God A Taoist?" [TOE]: https://youtu.be/P-jh6tRh3Jw
- Chiara Marletto [TOE]: https://youtu.be/40CB12cj_aM
- John Donoghue [TOE]: https://youtu.be/dG_uKJx6Lpg
- Yang-Hui He [TOE]: https://youtu.be/wbP0KjWm0pw
- Tim Palmer [TOE]: https://youtu.be/vlklA6jsS8A
- Tim Maudlin [TOE]: https://youtu.be/fU1bs5o3nss
- Lee Smolin [TOE]: https://youtu.be/uOKOodQXjhc
- Carlo Rovelli [TOE]: https://youtu.be/hF4SAketEHY
- Geoffrey Hinton [TOE]: https://youtu.be/b_DUft-BdIE
- Richard Dawkins's Lecture: https://youtu.be/nfZMyJq6BBM

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