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174. From Hong Kong to the Nations
As we continue our Thailand25 series, many of you will remember Rey from Hong Kong and how God used him to see movement among Filipina maids. In this episode, Rey continues to share the journey of seeing movement in and from Hong Kong. In July 2022, Rey pioneered Discovery Obedience Bible Studies (DOBS) in Hong Kong parks with Pilipino maids. What began as one small step of faith has now grown into multiplying disciple-making communities (DMCs) in Hong Kong, Macau, the Philippines, and even Japan. Rey’s obedience to the Holy Spirit has opened the door to multiplication down to third and fourth generations of disciples. His passion is clear: “We are not in the business of making believers but disciples.” You’ll be encouraged as Rey explains how God is using simple obedience, a clear disciple-making vision, and a commitment to multiplication to bring transformation from Hong Kong to the nations. Highlights from Rey’s Journey Early Exposure to Movements Since 2016, Rey was exposed to disciple-making movements through experiences in Israel, India, and Myanmar, which grew into a deep passion and became the focus of his Master’s thesis in Hong Kong. From Pastor to Movement Pioneer His church in Hong Kong adopted DMM principles—but only as a growth strategy, not a true disciple-making movement. The spark eventually faded. 2022: Rey resigned from traditional church ministry, rejecting offers from large churches. During quarantine, while fasting and praying, God’s answer surprised him: not to join another church, but to start doing DMM himself. July 2, 2022: Rey launched the first DOBS group in a Hong Kong park. Multiplication Across Nations Hong Kong: Now 110 active disciples. 3 DMCs (up to 4th generation). 201 baptisms over the last three years—monthly beach baptisms with new believers. 20 women in training to become “DMM pastors,” preparing to return to the Philippines. Macau: 1 group, 8 active disciples, 3 disciple-makers. Philippines: Communities in the north, central, and the Muslim south (Mindanao). Over 100 active disciples in multiple generations. Japan (Yokosuka, near Tokyo): Filipina women reaching out to bar owners and families. Baptisms and new groups forming into a multiplying community. Disciple-Making Process Rey uses DOBS (Discovery Obedience Bible Studies): Discover, Obey, Bible, Share. He has developed different levels of scripture sets: Seekers – discovering Jesus. Disciples – going deeper. Leaders – training for multiplication. Vision & Tools Rey always gives the vision upfront: everyone is called to be a disciple-maker. He even draws people a simple path: Seeker → Believer → Disciple → Disciple-Maker → Leader. Anchors everything in key Scriptures: Matthew 28:18-20 (Great Commission), Matthew 22:36-39 (Great Commandment), Acts 1:8 (Need for Holy Spirit to be witnesses) and 2 Timothy 2:2 (Multiplication of disciples). DBS format follows the 4Ws: Worship Watch (share stresses) Word (Head, Heart, Hands) Work (commitments & sharing). Why Listen? Rey’s story is one of courage, obedience, and multiplication. From humble beginnings in a park in Hong Kong to movements multiplying in the Philippines and Japan, Rey’s testimony challenges us to rethink church, embrace disciple-making, and trust God’s Spirit to lead.
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173. Modelling What You Want to Multiply – Mike
In this first episode from our Thailand25 gathering with movement leaders and teams from nine nations, we hear from Mike, who has seen hundreds of groups multiply in Hong Kong. He shares about modelling what you want to see multiply as a disciple maker. After all, we model what we love. 1. John 15:5–17 "This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples." (verse 8) How does modelling work in John 15?The Father models love → Jesus → disciples → others.That’s four generations of reproduction—love expressed through obedience. “They will not follow and imitate what you know but what you love.” (Mike) 2. Mike asks AI Mike asks ChatGPT how to start a DMM that will flourish and spread. Chat gives a great answer—but will Chat’s answer actually start a movement? No. Because ChatGPT doesn’t love anything! “Movements are based on love that is modelled, observed, and imitated!” (Mike) We must learn to love God and love the lost. DMM isn’t about strategies or ideas—it flows from love. And love is nurtured through prayer. Without prayer of sacrifice, there is no love for the lost. Prayer and modelling go hand in hand: modelling how much we love God and how much we love the lost. 3. Stories (Man in Wheelchair and Mike's daughters) Man in Wheelchair: Mike and Steve share Jesus with a man in a wheelchair. Soon the community around him begins to grow in faith. He invites his wider network to hear more about Jesus. Mike doesn’t think he’s doing DMM the “right way,” yet multiplication happens. One man begins a Discovery Bible Study with another new believer—and has a vision to see him become a disciple maker too. All of this starts simply because he observed and imitated Mike’s love. Mike’s daughters: Mike's extroverted daughter shares Jesus with someone using the beaded bracelet, just like her dad. She is imitating his love. Another time, Mike’s extremely shy daughter tells him that a “little voice” in her head is urging her to go to the park to meet a family. She obeys, meets the family, and boldly shares about Jesus with her bracelet. Love reproduces through generations. 4. Final Encouragement “If we are going to multiply, we have to keep praying. We have to keep loving the lost. Our modelling is not just for the people we are modelling to—it’s about them seeing how much we love God, how much we love the people around us, and how much we love sharing Jesus. They will see it. And they will not do what you know—they will do what they see you love.” (Mike)
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172. Making Disciples with Harvey Bishop
In this episode of the Praxeis Podcast, we talk with Harvey Bishop from Melbourne, who has spent decades helping people follow Jesus and multiply disciples. He challenges us to be intentional about making disciples who are filled with the Spirit and equipped to multiply. Harvey’s StoryAt 21, Harvey cried out to God and experienced an instant transformation. Soon after, mentors showed him how to live as a disciple and make disciples. Harvey went on to serve 41 years in full-time ministry, with Power to Change and in disciple-making. Why Disciple-Making MattersHarvey saw many new believers fall away, which led him to focus on helping disciples grow strong and multiply. Influenced by 2 Timothy 2:2, he embraced Jesus’ call to make disciples who make disciples, training young people and international students to do the same. How Harvey Makes DisciplesHarvey prays for people, shares his testimony, shows the cost of following Jesus, and uses Discovery Bible Studies to help people walk in the Spirit and form multiplying groups. He challenges us as disciples to be intentional, Spirit-filled, and accountable so we can pass on our faith effectively. "Being filled with the Spirit is living the Spirit filled life. It's about letting Jesus control everything I do." The Challenge“Every Spirit-filled Christian can make disciples if they’re willing to be trained and let the Spirit guide them. There is nothing more meaningful than bringing glory to God by discipling others.” Websites and books referred to in the podcast: 'First Steps With God' website: https://firststepswithgod.com 📖 'The Man God Uses' (Osward J Smith)
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171. Journey of a Church Leader
In this episode of the DMM Podcast, we hear from Sam Turner of Northland, New Zealand, as he shares at the DMM Connect gathering. Sam tells his story of moving from traditional church leadership to embracing Disciple Making Movements (DMM). His journey leads to a deep shift—from extracting people into church programs to empowering believers to reach their own communities. In the second half, two leaders from Sam’s team, Roland and Jim, share how they are using Discovery Bible Study (DBS) in their own contexts to see multiplication. Sam’s Journey into DMM When Sam arrived in New Zealand, he was struck by God’s heart for a “fatherless nation.” While serving at a local church in Paparoa, Sam felt a deep dissatisfaction comparing the book of Acts with his church’s reality. This led him to a year of daily prayer, seeking breakthrough. During this season, God gave Sam a vision of a match striking a box, igniting a fire that spread across New Zealand and beyond. The match represented a people who would stand unapologetically on God’s Word and not limit the work of the Holy Spirit. This only deepened Sam’s longing—until he encountered the DBS tool and the book Contagious Disciple Making (Dave and Paul Watson). Applying DBS first to a men’s group, Sam saw it multiply quickly. Other groups followed, and soon the church was learning principles of simplicity, modeling, and multiplication. This marked the beginning of their transition from traditional church models to a disciple-making movement mindset. Rethinking Church and Leadership Over time, big questions emerged: How does DMM relate to church? What about teaching if no one person is “leading” a DBS? Sam shares that Jesus often taught through questions—over 300 in the Gospels. Their team learned to respond with Scripture and good questions rather than top-down answers. A major paradigm shift also occurred around evangelism. Rather than extracting people into church programs, Sam’s team began empowering believers to go, serve, and invest in others. Like Jesus in John 13:3–5, leaders are called to wash feet—not gather followers to make them “like us,” but to release them to reach their own communities. Roland and Jim: Using DBS in Their Contexts Roland, from a Tuvaluan background, opened his home for Bible study. What started as two families soon grew to over 40 people—so many that everyone couldn’t share. When his wife gave birth, the large meeting stopped, but what seemed like an ending actually multiplied. The big group naturally broke into 15 DBS groups meeting in homes across the community. Jim first encountered DBS in a men’s group at Paparoa. He shares how the Holy Spirit became the true teacher, and how he wished he had this tool earlier while discipling at-risk youth with his wife. Now, Jim facilitates DBS among men, often through ManUp groups—a 10-week program for men dealing with family dysfunction, trauma, and addiction. Many of these men take DBS and pass it on to others, finding it far more effective than traditional street evangelism. Final Encouragement for Church Leaders Sam closes by urging church leaders to notice who God has placed on the hearts of the people they lead. For Roland, its forming communities that can multiply. For Jim, it’s reaching men who are struggling. For others, it will look different. The role of leaders is to serve, empower, and call people to see God’s bigger picture. Watch this episode as a video here: https://vimeo.com/1099328633?share=copy#t=2353.336
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170. Breakthrough Leadership #2
Paradigm Shifts, the Power of the Holy Spirit, and How to Pray for Movements In this episode, we continue our conversation with Vijay, co-author of Bhojpuri Breakthrough. Vijay shares paradigm-shifting insights into what leadership looks like in the context of disciple-making movements—and how the Holy Spirit and obedience to God’s Word are essential for genuine transformation in any cultural context, including the West. 🔑 Key Themes: Breakthrough leadership is upside-down.Vijay reflects on how he learned movement leadership not from titles, but from Jesus’ own example: humble, redemptive, servant-hearted. Jesus’ approach to money, gender, the marginalized, and power becomes the pattern for movement leaders today. Empowering others is the goal.Leadership is not about hierarchy but about helping others grow and take responsibility."You have many teachers but not many fathers." – 1 Corinthians 4:15 ‘Active theology’ leads to transformation.Leaders must ask: “How does God’s Word apply to my context?” As people obey what they learn, the Holy Spirit humbles, convicts, and transforms. Jesus is relevant in the West.While many may reject church, people are still drawn to Jesus. Vijay challenges leaders to slow down, be transformed by Jesus' words, and internalise His message.Jesus gave the Be-attitudes, not just "do-attitudes" – Matthew 5–7 The Bible is practical and powerful.Movements grow when people apply what they learn.“Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.” – Philippians 2:12 Humility and vulnerability are leadership strengths.Rather than hiding struggles, Vijay encourages honesty and authenticity in leadership.Jesus’ Parable of the Pharisee and Tax Collector – Luke 18:9–14 The Holy Spirit shapes leaders from day one.Self-awareness, forgiveness, mentorship, and avoiding dependency are all vital. Leaders live in daily transformation, empowered by the Spirit, even amid spiritual warfare. Graveyards of mission can become vineyards of revival.The Bhojpuri movement shows God can move in the darkest places. Today, over 2,000 movements globally reflect God’s hand—not man’s strategy. 🙏 How Can We Pray? For humility and Christ-likeness under pressureIn India, persecution is intensifying. Pray believers would resist retaliation and stay centred on Christ, glorifying Him even in suffering. For courage and enduranceMillions still need to hear the gospel. Pray for boldness amid political, financial, and family pressures. For purity and simplicity in the ChurchWherever tradition takes over, corruption often follows. Pray that both the Indian and Australian churches return to Scripture and live it out. For multiplication“The fruit of the harvest becomes the seed of the next harvest.” Pray that every disciple would become a disciple-maker. For open doors through prayerAsk people, “What are you praying for?” It opens a conversation. Jesus taught us that God answers prayer and does far more than we imagine. 🎧 Tune in for this deeply personal and powerful conversation about how the Spirit-led obedience of everyday people is fuelling global movements—and how you can be part of it. 📚 Resources Mentioned Bhojpuri BreakthroughThe Movement that Keeps Multiplying📖 Available on Amazon AU. Also available as an audiobook Breakthrough LeadershipInsights from an Asian Movement Leader📖 Available on Amazon AU. Also available as an e-book.
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