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Leaving Egypt Podcast

Leaving Egypt
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    EP #68 Guiding a Church in a Time of Crisis - with Bishop Guli Francis-Dehqani

    25/06/2026 | 1h 17 mins.
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    In this episode, Al Roxburgh and Jenny Sinclair speak with Bishop Guli Francis-Dehqani. As a bishop in the Church of England, she knows its challenges, both internal and external. She is sensitive not only to its wrestling with decline, but also with the need to reorient itself in a time when both society and the churches confront crisis on multiple levels. Her life has prepared her well for this moment. Experiences of disruption as a refugee have given her a deep confidence that God is both present and actively working, even as familiar structures undergo change, even as communities fragment. With realism and quiet courage, she embodies the struggle of a faithful pilgrim finding ways to “leave Egypt” within the confines of institutional life. Resisting the rush toward strategies and programmatic fixes, she prefers prayerful listening rather than seeking safety in control. In the midst of uncertainty she delights in grassroots relationships, encouraging others to discern the movement of the Spirit and to discover what kind of church God is forming in this time of crisis.
    Bishop Guli Francis-Dehqani is the Bishop of Chelmsford in the southeast of England, UK. She is the lead Bishop for Housing for the Church of England, a member of the Lords Spiritual in the House of Lords, and is currently Chair of the Board of the Church Army. Born in Iran, daughter of Hassan Dehqani-Tafti, the Anglican Bishop in Iran, and Margaret, daughter of William Thompson, Guli and her family left the country in the wake of the Iranian Revolution in 1980 when she was 13 years old, and to date she has been unable to return.

    LINKS

    For Bishop Guli Francis-Dehqani
    https://www.chelmsford.anglican.org/about-us/the-bishop-of-chelmsford/
    Bishop Guli’s address at Great St Mary’s in Cambridge, 16th Sept 2024
    Books
    · Listening to the Music of the Soul, 18 September 2025
    · Stations of the Resurrection, Encounters with the Risen Christ, written with Malcolm Guite
    · Cries for a Lost Homeland: Reflections on Jesus’ sayings from the cross
    · Reflections for Lent 2021: 17 February - 3 April 2021

    For Alan J Roxburgh:
    http://alanroxburgh.com/about
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.roxburgh.127/
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecommonsnetwork
    Books:
    Forming Communities of Hope in the Great Unravelling: Leadership in a Changing World (with Roy Searle)
    Joining God in the Great Unravelling
    Leadership, God’s Agency and Disruptions
    Joining God, Remaking Church, Changing the World: The New Shape of the Church in Our Time

    For Jenny Sinclair:
    Substack: https://t4cg.substack.com/s/from-jenny-sinclair
    Website: https://togetherforthecommongood.co.uk/from-jenny-sinclair
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenny-sinclair-0589783b/
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/T4CG
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TogetherForTheCommonGoodUK
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t4cg_insta/


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    EP#67 - Christian Witness in De-industrialised Communities - with Justin Gill

    11/06/2026 | 1h 22 mins.
    In this episode, Al and Jenny meet Justin Gill. Justin became a follower of Jesus as a young man in his native Pakistan from where he immigrated to the UK. Immersed in post-industrial English communities for twenty years, he became well acquainted with the complex realities of race, poverty, religion, and questions of belonging. This conversation explores the turbulent relationship between Christianity, Islam and secularisation in a time of cultural and political instability. Justin senses that God has brought him, as a Christian, into Muslim contexts, and to be among the indigenous English working class. His love for peoples and place is evident in his deep understanding of these different communities’ reactions to deindustrialisation, and how their responses to current tensions express their distinct histories and worldviews. Tying all this together is his deep conviction of Christ as Redeemer and His presence in hard, conflicted places.
    Justin Gill works with the Fellowship of Independent Evangelical Churches (FIEC), advising on cross-cultural mission in a network that links more than 50,000 Christians across the UK. Justin speaks here in a personal capacity. Born and raised in North Pakistan, he was an advisor on minority affairs to a political party and led relief operations following the 2005 earthquake. Moving to the UK in 2006, he gained an MSc in Development and Project Planning at Bradford University and lived in North Yorkshire. He continues to support evangelical church networks in Pakistan. He now lives in Leicestershire and attends Knighton Free Church.

    For Justin Gill
    https://fiec.org.uk/people/justin-gill
    https://fiec.org.uk/who-we-are/staff
    https://uk.linkedin.com/in/justin-gill-fiec
    https://x.com/Justin4Gill
    https://fiec.org.uk/resources/moving-towards-intercultural-church
    https://fiec.org.uk/resources/should-every-church-be-multi-racial

    For Alan J Roxburgh:
    http://alanroxburgh.com/about
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.roxburgh.127/
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecommonsnetwork
    Books:
    Forming Communities of Hope in the Great Unravelling: Leadership in a Changing World (with Roy Searle)
    Joining God in the Great Unravelling
    Leadership, God’s Agency and Disruptions
    Joining God, Remaking Church, Changing the World: The New Shape of the Church in Our Time

    For Jenny Sinclair:
    Substack: https://t4cg.substack.com/s/from-jenny-sinclair
    Website: https://togetherforthecommongood.co.uk/from-jenny-sinclair
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenny-sinclair-0589783b/
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/T4CG
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TogetherForTheCommonGoodUK
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t4cg_insta/


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    EP #66 Re-Enchanted, Relational, Local - with Tim Soerens

    28/05/2026 | 1h 18 mins.
    We hope that you are enjoying Leaving Egypt. We would invite you to join the Leaving Egypt community on Substack by becoming a paid subscriber: https://leavingegyptpodcast.substack.com/subscribe
    In this episode, Al Roxburgh and Jenny Sinclair meet Tim Soerens. Tim is a wild dreamer - in the very best sense - who describes his development in terms of a “re-enchantment with Christian faith”. Tim is on a rich, imaginative journey fostering ways of being church within creative experiments of local life – through postures, practices and relationships rather than programmes. Dedicated to flourishing neighbourhoods, he has become convinced of the need for stronger local economies, and now, to that end, he convenes collaborations across faith and secular lines. Tim sees the Christian imagination offering many gifts along that road, especially through local-scale partnerships that shift congregations to become relational communities in solidarity with their neighbours.
    Tim Soerens is Executive Director and co-founder of the Parish Collective, an ecumenical network that connects and resources Christians to be church within their local neighbourhoods, focusing on presence, place, and community renewal. He is also co-founder of Neighbourhood Economics which convenes faith leaders and entrepreneurs to catalyse ideas for repairing local economies. Tim studied rhetoric at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and earned his Master of Divinity from The Seattle School of Theology and Psychology. He lives in Chicago, Illinois.
    For Tim Soerens
    www.timsoerens.com
    https://www.parishcollective.org/team
    https://neighborhoodeconomics.org/who-we-are/
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/timsoerens
    https://x.com/timsoerens
    https://www.instagram.com/timsoerens/
    https://www.facebook.com/tim.soerens/
    Books
    Everywhere You Look: Discovering the Church Right Where You Are
    The New Parish: How Neighborhood Churches Are Transforming Mission, Discipleship and Community (with Paul Sparks)
    https://www.ivpress.com/tim-soerens
    For Alan J Roxburgh:
    http://alanroxburgh.com/about
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.roxburgh.127/
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecommonsnetwork
    Books:
    Forming Communities of Hope in the Great Unravelling: Leadership in a Changing World (with Roy Searle)
    Joining God in the Great Unravelling
    Leadership, God’s Agency and Disruptions
    Joining God, Remaking Church, Changing the World: The New Shape of the Church in Our Time
    For Jenny Sinclair:
    Substack: https://t4cg.substack.com/s/from-jenny-sinclair
    Website: https://togetherforthecommongood.co.uk/from-jenny-sinclair
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenny-sinclair-0589783b/
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/T4CG
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TogetherForTheCommonGoodUK
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t4cg_insta/


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    EP #65 A New Generation Finds Home - with Sophie Taylor

    14/05/2026 | 1h 13 mins.
    We hope that you are enjoying Leaving Egypt. We would invite you to join the Leaving Egypt community on Substack by becoming a paid subscriber: https://leavingegyptpodcast.substack.com/subscribe
    In this episode, Al Roxburgh and Jenny Sinclair speak with Sophie Taylor about the quiet but growing movement of young adults towards the Catholic Church. Drawn by a hunger for truth and belonging amidst a chaotic culture, many arrive with little formation - some new to faith, others reclaiming what earlier generations let slip. Sophie explores what attracts them: the Church’s sacramental imagination - beauty, liturgy, art, and mystery - and the way parish life can reframe reality and relationship. She also names the challenges of moving from online isolation and post-COVID social anxiety into embodied community, arguing that young adults need more than a friendly welcome: they need intentional formation in relational life. With realism and hope, Sophie describes how deep listening and attentive encounter can renew belonging in the Church and beyond. This is a compelling picture of God’s mission at work - one heart at a time - inviting the whole Church to become a living oasis amid the storms of our age.
    Sophie Taylor is the Adult Faith Formation Officer at the Diocese of Leeds, where she supports new Catholics, resources catechists, and organises formation events and days of reflection to help adults across the diocese grow in faith. She also works part-time supporting the pastoral life and community at the parish of St. Joseph Brighouse and St. Patrick’s Elland. After gaining her degree in Theology at Leeds Trinity University, when she also served in the diocesan youth team, she taught RE in the North East of England, where she also served in her local parish.

    For Sophie Taylor
    https://www.dioceseofleeds.org.uk/education/welcome/meet-the-team/
    https://www.dioceseofleeds.org.uk/new-eve-faith-formation-day-celebrating-womens-call-to-holiness/
    https://www.dioceseofleeds.org.uk/new-catholics/
    https://stjosephschurchbrighouse.co.uk/our-faith/our-news
    For Alan J Roxburgh:
    http://alanroxburgh.com/about
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.roxburgh.127/
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecommonsnetwork
    Books:
    Forming Communities of Hope in the Great Unravelling: Leadership in a Changing World (with Roy Searle)
    Joining God in the Great Unravelling
    Leadership, God’s Agency and Disruptions
    Joining God, Remaking Church, Changing the World: The New Shape of the Church in Our Time
    For Jenny Sinclair:
    Substack: https://t4cg.substack.com/s/from-jenny-sinclair
    Website: https://togetherforthecommongood.co.uk/from-jenny-sinclair
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenny-sinclair-0589783b/
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/T4CG
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TogetherForTheCommonGoodUK
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t4cg_insta/


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    EP#64 A Priest to the People - with Fr John Armitage

    30/04/2026 | 1h 17 mins.
    We hope that you are enjoying Leaving Egypt. We would invite you to join the Leaving Egypt community on Substack by becoming a paid subscriber: https://leavingegyptpodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    In this episode, Al Roxburgh and Jenny Sinclair meet Fr John Armitage. These days, there is much talk about the challenges for leadership and what it means to be church in a post-everything society. Anxious questions abound: Is revival coming, or are we sliding into an even more uncertain season? Yet when listening to Fr John, a completely different response emerges. Amid what he describes as the great emptiness of modern life - the worship of idols, the loss of community – here is a wise, seasoned leader who carries a quiet sense of joy, anticipation, and delight in the work God has given him right where he is. What’s the secret? First, he is deeply rooted in place. When asked about himself, he begins with the story of where he grew up. It’s as if he’s saying: if you want to know who I am, you need to know where I was planted. The relational character of working-class culture has shaped his life. Second, he is firmly rooted in the Catholic tradition; the ordered rhythms of the Church have formed him. There is no fancy strategy to what he does, no new thing that makes the parish successful. But there is this deep rooting in the Gospel. These realities give him the grounding to be present with people, to enter their everyday lives in a way that lets them know they’re being met by someone held by a bigger story. This is a man in love with his neighbourhood, his life in God, and therefore with the people around him—core elements, it seems, in being a kingdom people in Egypt.
    Monsignor John Armitage is the longstanding parish priest at St Margaret’s Church in Canning Town, his lifelong East London home. Fr John is an inspirational retreat leader, speaker and mentor to clergy and has held senior roles in the Diocese of Brentwood, including Vicar General. For five years between 2014 and 2020, he was Rector of the National Basilica of Our Lady of Walsingham, overseeing its modernisation and leading the Rededication of England to the Dowry of Mary during the Covid lockdown. Deeply committed to social justice, he was instrumental in founding the UK’s first community organising alliance, the East London Communities Organisation (TELCO) in 1996, which launched the original Living Wage campaign in 2001. Since 2020, he has also taken on the leadership of the Guild of Our Lady of Ransom, the UK Catholic evangelisation charity which has birthed the WeBelieve Festival of Catholic Life.
    For Monsignor John Armitage:
    https://www.dioceseofbrentwood.net/clergy/rt-rev-mgr-john-armitage/
    https://www.guild-ransom.co.uk/about
    https://www.cbcew.org.uk/home/our-work/living-wage/videos/east-end-dockers/
    Mentioned in this episode:
    England: The Dowry of Our Lady of Mary
    Article by Maurice Glasman
    For Alan J Roxburgh:
    http://alanroxburgh.com/about
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.roxburgh.127/
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecommonsnetwork
    Books:
    Forming Communities of Hope in the Great Unravelling: Leadership in a Changing World (with Roy Searle)
    Joining God in the Great Unravelling
    Leadership, God’s Agency and Disruptions
    Joining God, Remaking Church, Changing the World: The New Shape of the Church in Our Time
    For Jenny Sinclair:
    Substack: https://t4cg.substack.com/s/from-jenny-sinclair
    Website: https://togetherforthecommongood.co.uk/from-jenny-sinclair
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenny-sinclair-0589783b/
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/T4CG
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TogetherForTheCommonGoodUK
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t4cg_insta/


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Leaving Egypt is a series of conversations with Jenny Sinclair, Al Roxburgh and guests exploring the vocation of the church in a context of cultural unravelling. Leaving Egypt seeks to make sense of this moment for communities of Christians in North America and the UK. In dialogue with guests, they read the signs of the times and share stories of how local expressions of God’s people are contributing to the reweaving of hope in our common life. leavingegyptpodcast.substack.com
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