The Divine Council Worldview Podcast

• EP056: From Skeptic to Storyteller: Jeff Lees on Faith, Art, and Reimagining the Image of God

  In this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, Mel and Rich sit down with Jeff Lees to explore his remarkable journey from skepticism to a vibrant faith shaped by ministry, creativity, and the teachings of Dr. Michael Heiser. Jeff opens up about his time in youth ministry, his transition into art and toy design, and how these paths intersect through a deep passion for community and storytelling. Together, they challenge traditional interpretations of scripture, discuss the meaning of being image bearers of God, and highlight the transformative power of Christian creativity—including a bold vision for toys that bring biblical narratives to life. This conversation invites listeners into a thoughtful and open dialogue about faith, identity, and innovation.

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• EP055: John 2:1-12: Exploring Jesus' Miracles

  In this episode, Ronn and Mike explore the significance of Jesus’ first recorded miracle, his turning of water into wine at the wedding of Cana. They discuss the implications and nature of miracles in the context of faith to Yahweh, especially in context of John’s original audience which would have known that created divine beings could perform miraculous deeds as well. Their conversation touches on personal experiences of miracles, the unique aspects of John's Gospel, and the possible reasons behind Jesus' miracles.

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• EP054: John 1:29-51: How Did Jesus "Take Away the Sin of the World"?

  In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss John 1:29-51, especially noting how Jesus would be the “lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” (1:29). They begin by interpreting Old Testament “atonement” (Hebrew, kaphar) texts within their original context. They note how the practice of sacrifice across the ancient world was often accompanied by symbolic acts of “sanctification” as a person prepared to come into the presumed presence of a deity. This is what Jesus would do in his death, claimed John—he would cleanse not only the loyal Israelite, but anyone in the world who would put his faith in Jesus. 📢 Announcing the Image Conference! 📢   The Michael S. Heiser Foundation proudly presents the Image Conference, an inspiring event dedicated to exploring the role of image in trauma recovery and community engagement. This first-ever Michael S. Heiser Foundation LIVE event celebrates the continuation of Dr. Heiser’s legacy, bringing together a powerful lineup of speakers and discussions designed to educate, inspire, and connect.   Join Drenna Heiser-Hollander, Rich Baker, Dr. Ronn Johnson, Fern & Audrey, Pastor Darnell Williams, and others as we explore one of the Pillars of the Divine Council Worldview: The Image. Together, we’ll hear impactful stories of how image plays a vital role in healing, including how Rich Baker brought a message of hope to those experiencing trauma on the streets of Berkeley, California. For those seeking deeper theological insights, Dr. Ronn Johnson will present scholarly lectures such as The Image of God and Jesus’ Atonement.   This is more than a conference—it’s an opportunity to learn, connect, and fellowship with like-minded brothers and sisters as we carry forward the work set before us.   Register, FOR FREE, here: https://michaelsheiserfoundation.org/the-image-conference/

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• EP053: John 1:19-28: How is Jesus "the Messiah"?

  In this episode, Ronn and Mike study John 1:19-28, noting how John the Baptist’s story was pivotal in understanding Jesus’ identity. They discuss how John’s prophetic ministry faced resistance from Jewish leadership, how John’s practice of baptism functioned as an act of allegiance in early Christianity, and how the concept of a “messiah” (even "the messiah”) evolved in both the Old and New Testaments. Their conversation emphasized the importance of understanding the cultural background of the first century for all aspects of biblical interpretation, especially as it relates to defining the role and identity of Jesus. 📢 Announcing the Image Conference! 📢   The Michael S. Heiser Foundation proudly presents the Image Conference, an inspiring event dedicated to exploring the role of image in trauma recovery and community engagement. This first-ever Michael S. Heiser Foundation LIVE event celebrates the continuation of Dr. Heiser’s legacy, bringing together a powerful lineup of speakers and discussions designed to educate, inspire, and connect.   Join Drenna Heiser-Hollander, Rich Baker, Dr. Ronn Johnson, Fern & Audrey, Pastor Darnell Williams, and others as we explore one of the Pillars of the Divine Council Worldview: The Image. Together, we’ll hear impactful stories of how image plays a vital role in healing, including how Rich Baker brought a message of hope to those experiencing trauma on the streets of Berkeley, California. For those seeking deeper theological insights, Dr. Ronn Johnson will present scholarly lectures such as The Image of God and Jesus’ Atonement.   This is more than a conference—it’s an opportunity to learn, connect, and fellowship with like-minded brothers and sisters as we carry forward the work set before us.   Register, FOR FREE, here: https://michaelsheiserfoundation.org/the-image-conference/

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• EP052: Thoughts and Reflections with the DCW Podcast Hosts

  In this episode, Ronn, Mike, Mel, and Rich come back together as a podcasting team to reflect on a year's worth of episodes, adjustments, and hopes for the DCW, Dr. Heiser's legacy, the work of the Michael S. Heiser Foundation, and the glimmers of change within society at large. They talk about their thoughts and feelings on having lost Dr. Heiser over two years, including the questions they still have and the shared common bond they have to each other because of their mutual mentor, friend, and brother in the faith. 📢 Announcing the Image Conference! 📢   The Michael S. Heiser Foundation proudly presents the Image Conference, an inspiring event dedicated to exploring the role of image in trauma recovery and community engagement. This first-ever Michael S. Heiser Foundation LIVE event celebrates the continuation of Dr. Heiser’s legacy, bringing together a powerful lineup of speakers and discussions designed to educate, inspire, and connect.   Join Drenna Heiser-Hollander, Rich Baker, Dr. Ronn Johnson, Fern & Audrey, Pastor Darnell Williams, and others as we explore one of the Pillars of the Divine Council Worldview: The Image. Together, we’ll hear impactful stories of how image plays a vital role in healing, including how Rich Baker brought a message of hope to those experiencing trauma on the streets of Berkeley, California. For those seeking deeper theological insights, Dr. Ronn Johnson will present scholarly lectures such as The Image of God and Jesus’ Atonement.   This is more than a conference—it’s an opportunity to learn, connect, and fellowship with like-minded brothers and sisters as we carry forward the work set before us.   Register, FOR FREE, here: https://michaelsheiserfoundation.org/the-image-conference/

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