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• How (Not) to Introduce Resilience Engineering at Work with special guest Michelle Casey

  Lorikeets are pretty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_lorikeetYou think Colette’s kidding about the kangaroo? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQjHVRHXbc8 The Mackinac Bridge is long: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackinac_BridgeMichelle’s Blog post:https://resilienceinsoftware.org/news/1288714DORA has some good writing on Westrum’s cultural models if you’re wondering about it: https://dora.dev/capabilities/generative-organizational-culture/The link to our TiF live event with Michelle where we will be discussing the blog post! https://resilienceinsoftware.org/networks/events/143194Please ask us questions! You can go to thisisfinepod.com to get the link to our anonymous google form!

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• How long should you wait after an incident to do your retro?

  Corn sweat is a real thing: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/humidity-from-corn-sweat-intensifies-extreme-heat-wave-in-midwest-u-s/Also, plugging Tajin here, because: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj%C3%ADn_seasoningWikipedia tells me Tajin is Mexican. I dunno, Clint.Beaumaiden report, for those that didn’t listen to the prior episode where we mentioned it: https://dmaib.com/reports/2021/beaumaiden-grounding-on-18-october-2021John Allspaw’s talk at Spotify that we referenced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8mYPyRG1fQLorin’s Law is always a good plug: https://surfingcomplexity.blog/2017/06/24/a-conjecture-on-why-reliable-systems-fail/Clint’s book recommendation: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-15-commitments-of-conscious-leadership-a-new-paradigm-for-sustainable-success-diana-chapman/14574335?ean=9780990976905&next=tSend us questions! at thisisfinepod.com or find us on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/this-is-fine-a-podcast-about-software-and-resilience-engineering/You can come to the Lund panelist event for RISF by signing up here: https://resilienceinsoftware.org/networks/events/133948

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• Lund University - Academic Theory and Practice

  A huge thanks to our panelists:⁠John Allspaw⁠⁠Jed Needle⁠⁠Chad Todd⁠RISF and TiF will host a live follow up to this episode on July 31st! You can sign up here: ⁠https://resilienceinsoftware.org/networks/events/133948⁠If you’re interested in Lund’s Masters of Science program in Human Factors and Systems Safety, or any of their learning labs, you can check out more info here: ⁠https://www.humanfactors.lth.se/⁠⁠Adaptive Capacity Labs⁠ is how Jed was introduced to some of the concepts of LFI & Resilience Engineering, which eventually landed him at Lund.John mentioned SciShow Tangents, a podcast by Hank Green and Ceri Riley: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/scishowtangents⁠As well as Conway’s Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_lawAnd Dunbar’s Number: ⁠https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number⁠ And the Theory of Graceful Extensibility, which you can read about here: ⁠https://infoscience.epfl.ch/server/api/core/bitstreams/87cfe245-c138-43cb-87c9-4062dc1a0519/content⁠Lund theses list: https://www.humanfactors.lth.se/ny-sajt/msc-programme/msc-theses/Our panel’s select theses that they love:Colette’s pick: ⁠https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/9106422⁠Chad’s pick: ⁠https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/9009930⁠John’s picks were all of the software theses, I’m probably missing some but this is my attempt:John’s (was the first): ⁠https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/8084520⁠ J Paul Reed: ⁠https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/8966930⁠ Chad’s thesis on handovers in software: ⁠https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/9076274⁠ Michael Wettick: ⁠https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/9150096⁠ Colette’s thesis on QRA: ⁠https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/9148570⁠Jessica De Vita: ⁠https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/9149521⁠ Dr. Raymer’s I want to Treat the Patient and Not the Alarm: ⁠https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/2861164⁠

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• What’s the ROI on Reliability and Resilience work?

  Dave Wood’s Talk at SRECon 25 was on Complexification and SRE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmBvUJnGUX4Jens Rasmussen’s model - Is really well explained by Richard Cook’s talk at Velocity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGLYEDpNu60&t=3sLorin’s blog also has a good summary: https://surfingcomplexity.blog/2021/05/31/transgressing-the-boundaries-rasmussen-and-woods/And finally, Jens Rasmussen’s original paper on the subject: Risk Management in a Dynamic Society https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0925753597000520SRECon 25 talk on Incident Metrics that Matter that was awesome - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrR2SvpWvdgWant to read about how things are getting a bit fash-y in tech these days?https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/techno-fascism-comes-to-america-elon-muskhttps://www.theguardian.com/technology/ng-interactive/2025/jan/29/silicon-valley-rightwing-technofascismPerrow/Normal Accidents: https://bookshop.org/p/books/normal-accidents-living-with-high-risk-technologies-updated-edition-revised-charles-perrow/10369279?ean=9780691004129High Reliability Organizations (HROs):Started (ish) with “A Rejoinder to Perrow” https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-5973.1994.tb00047.xAnd you can find Rochlin & La Porte behind a lot of the early writing on HROs, including https://www.jstor.org/stable/44637690?seq=1 and https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-5973.1996.tb00078.xAs well as Weick and Sutcliffe: https://bookshop.org/p/books/managing-the-unexpected-sustained-performance-in-a-complex-world-kathleen-m-sutcliffe/11267666?ean=9781118862414&https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.2307/41165243

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• Runbooks: the Good, Bad and Ugly w/special guest Andrew Hatch

  You can register for the After-the-Episode chat with Andrew at https://resilienceinsoftware.org/networks/events/129997Tickets are free for members, $10 for non-members. You can join the Foundation at https://resilienceinsoftware.org/signup Zuul is what Volvo uses for their CI, and it’s part of the OpenInfra Foundation, it’s rad.You can find Andrew on LinkedIn here.

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