This is Fine! A podcast about resilience engineering and software

• Chaos Engineering w/special guest Casey Rosenthal

  The O’Reilly book on Chaos Engineering by Casey and Nora Jones is here: https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/chaos-engineering/9781492043850/Some of the Netflix posts introducing Chaos Monkey and Simian Army are here and here.You can see Lorin Hochstein talking about Chaos Engineering at Netflix here.The Void is an awesome collection of information on incidents throughout tech and you can find it here.Casey mentioned Rasmussen’s model. Lorin has a great summary of that on his blog, but you can read the original paper by Rasmussen introducing this model here.A report on the Netflix outage during Christmas of 2012.A reminder - you can ask us questions for the podcast at www.thisisfinepod.com

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• Burnout on Aisle 3

  Clint wrote the Socio-Technical Reality Engineer as a blog post it’s a good read.The Burnout book by the Nagoski sisters is A+++ reading.Those Found Responsible Have Been Sacked is by the late, great, Dr. Richard Cook and Chris NemethThe Perverse Incentives of Reliability by Katie Wilde from Snyk at this year’s SRECon was just an incredible talk.Colette mentioned the Beaumaiden report from DMAIB. She gave a talk for the DORA community on resilience engineering that you can see here.

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• Resilience, Complexity, and Your Boss a collab w/Punk Rock Safety

  Ben (Goodheart), Dave (Provan) and Ron (Gantt) have the very awesome podcast Punk Rock Safety (punkrocksafety.com) - you can get your own punk rock safety merch at punkrocksafetymerch.comCharles Perrow wrote Normal Accidents and talks about safety and power in his essay (book, really), Complex Organizations.Drew Rae lit the stage on fire about safety work as soothing rather than actually improving safety: EHS Congress Berlin 2024 - Day2Dr. Richard Cook’s concepts of ‘Above the Line/Below the Line’ got a shout out - here’s the paper, and here’s John Allspaw giving a talk about the concept.

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• Live From SRECon

  No video for this one because it didn’t really end up working.We had some awesome people with us for this show:Eric DobbsWill GallegoJuan Carlos RamirezMartin SmithDr Richard Cook’s talk on The Marvelous Resilience of Bone(one of our absolute favorites)You can see the schedule for the SRECon 2025 Americas conference hereThe keynotes from the day we recorded were Dr David Woods and Katie Wilde (from Snyk)

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• Teaser Episode - Season 2

  The XKCD comic that’s in Colette’s thesis is DependencyJustin Reock is at DXhttps://punkrocksafety.com/ are our mutual podcast friends

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