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In this episode, Brandon, Lindsy and Heard welcome author and researcher Ryan Pitterson for a wild but Scripture-centered conversation on artificial intelligence, ancient rebellion, and the war over humanity.
Ryan is known for his work on the Nephilim, Genesis 6, biblical prophecy, and the supernatural worldview of Scripture. 
The conversation begins with Ryan sharing his story, from growing up in New York City and pursuing law and politics, to being awakened to Bible prophecy and eventually writing on the Nephilim. From there, the episode moves into Genesis, Revelation, AI, transhumanism, the image of the beast, the mark, Babel, and the danger of technology becoming a counterfeit discipler.
Ryan asserts that the Bible gives us patterns, and that what happened in the beginning often foreshadows what comes at the end. He connects the corruption of the image of God in Genesis 6 with modern attempts to redefine humanity through technology, artificial intelligence, genetic manipulation, and spiritual deception.
The episode gets practical. Brandon asks how believers should use AI without being discipled by it. Ryan talks about discernment, boundaries, and the difference between using AI as a tool and turning to it for guidance, identity, intimacy, or spiritual direction.
This is not a fear-based episode. It is a call to stay awake, stay grounded in Christ, walk in love, and recognize that the gospel is still the answer in a world racing toward counterfeit immortality, counterfeit wisdom, and counterfeit salvation.
Links to books:
Judgment of the Nephilim
 The Final Nephilim
 The Earth Before Adam

Timestamps:
00:00:51 Brandon introduces AI as a possible ancient pattern repeating
00:03:11 Ryan Pitterson shares his background and spiritual upbringing
00:05:33 How end-times ministry and Genesis 6 changed Ryan’s direction
00:07:54 The preparation for Christ and the preparation for Antichrist
00:10:24 Ryan introduces The Earth Before Adam and quantum repetition
00:12:36 Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 and the possibility of an ancient judgment
00:14:55 The Hebrew word hayah and the idea that the earth became void
00:17:17 Jeremiah 4 and Ryan’s case for a pre-Adamic judgment
00:19:39 Lucifer’s throne commerce and ancient civilization
00:22:02 AI as a repeat of ancient technology and spiritual rebellion
00:24:22 The image of the beast surveillance worship and compliance

Somewhere along the way, a beautiful invitation became a measuring stick. Quiet time became proof. Bible reading became a scorecard. Prayer became something we could almost use superstitiously, as if the right words at the right time could keep the day from falling apart.
In this episode, the Crew talks honestly about devotional life, Bible study, Christian meditation, seasons of life, ADHD, emotion, discipline, and the difference between communing with God and just checking the spiritual boxes. This isn’t a call to throw structure away. It’s a call to remember what the structure was for in the first place.
Because the Father isn’t after performers. He’s after sons and daughters.
Today on Unrefined, we’re talking about relationship over rules with Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters, and Jen.

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Timestamps
00:00:52 Relationship not rules sets the framework
00:03:01 Lindsy shares the evolution of his devotional life
00:05:27 Jen talks about quiet time as a rule and family wounds shaping her view of God
00:07:53 Brandon shares his early church background and checklist Christianity
00:10:20 Devotions as divination and prayer as superstition
00:12:40 Quiet time history and the heart becoming central
00:14:50 When a useful tool becomes a measuring stick
00:16:50 Structure without encounter and why discipline still matters
00:19:12 Seasons of life and letting the Lord shape the rhythm
00:21:39 Maturity identity and communing with God inside us
00:24:01 God as Father and learning He is present
00:25:49 The ditch of doing whatever we want and calling it Spirit led
00:27:58 Reacting against legalism or reacting against looseness
00:30:15 Righteousness is not based on quiet time
00:32:34 Speaking with God instead of only speaking to God
00:35:00 Christian meditation presence ADHD and awareness of God
00:37:29 Devotionals Oswald Chambers Spurgeon and the book serving the relationship
00:39:56 Easy yoke BibleProject and meditation as rumination
00:42:17 Worry meditation emotions and getting promises into the heart
00:44:35 The subconscious the heart and effortless transformation
00:45:45 Christian meditation versus Eastern emptying
00:48:10 Jesus wept emotions and the fruit of the Spirit
00:50:30 Emotion as the catalyst for truth sinking in
00:52:41 Emotions as indicators not enemies
00:54:58 Psalms trauma the body and sharing secrets with God
00:57:16 Journaling talking to God and practical devotional practices
00:59:33 Bible study versus devotional reading
00:59:57 Study time communion and the Unseen Realm book club
01:02:25 Mountains high places liminal space and spiritual imagination
01:04:40 Intellectual study can still involve the heart
01:06:41 Different wiring theology and joy in study
01:09:03 ADHD repetition worship music and reading the Bible for yourself
01:11:19 Feeling again emotions and avoiding the opposite ditch
01:13:39 Application SOAP SOS and final encouragements
01:16:00 Unrefined Life Group announcement

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What do you do with stories of people seeing their own double? Is it folklore? Brain malfunction? Astral projection? A demonic imitation? A flesh-and-blood mystery? Or something stranger that does not fit neatly into our modern categories?
In this episode rewind, Brandon Spain and Lindsy Waters explore the strange phenomenon of doppelgangers, also known as “double walkers.” The conversation moves through folklore, famous cases, biblical passages, cryptid encounters, scientism, spiritual laws, and the unsettling human ability to recognize when something looks almost human but not quite.
The episode begins with the German meaning of doppelganger as “double goer” or “double walker,” then moves into historical and cultural examples like the Irish fetch, changeling stories, Abraham Lincoln, Catherine the Great, Percy Shelley, John Donne, Goethe, and the mysterious case of Pauline Picard. Brandon and Lindsy also look at the famous Emily Sage case, where an entire classroom reportedly saw a teacher’s double.
The conversation also takes a biblical turn with Peter’s “angel” in Acts, the disciples thinking Jesus on the water was a ghost, and the larger question of whether Jewish thought had categories for spirit doubles or familiar beings. From there, the guys explore autoscopy, heutoscopy, sleep paralysis, astral projection, DMT, cryptids that mimic human voices, and the limits of purely material explanations.
This is not a neat and tidy answer episode. It’s an Unrefined conversation about mystery, discernment, supernatural reality, and why Christians should be careful not to reduce every strange thing to either “just science” or “just demons.”
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Timestamps:
00:00:06 Opening hook about fake humans and real humans
00:00:28 Brandon introduces the episode
00:00:53 Brandon and Lindsy introduce doppelgangers and doubles
00:01:45 The meaning of doppelganger as double goer or double walker
00:03:07 Looking at the topic through science and the supernatural
00:05:31 Clones and God-breathed spirit questions
00:07:58 Changelings, twins, impostors, and switched identities
00:10:27 The uncanny valley and why the brain notices false humanity
00:11:00 Emily Sage and the classroom that reportedly saw her double
00:12:47 Astral projection possibilities and gray areas Christians avoid
00:15:09 Pauline Picard and the Brittany mystery
00:17:19 The found girl in Cherbourg who did not recognize her family
00:19:26 The family, neighbors, and confession angle
00:20:57 Flesh-and-blood double versus apparition
00:23:20 Cultural and biblical categories for doubles
00:25:46 Peter’s angel, ghosts, cryptids, and imitation
00:28:14 Pursuing truth without forcing every case into one box
00:28:56 Autoscopy, heutoscopy, and seeing oneself
00:30:40 Brain tumors, perception, and possible supernatural overlap
00:31:54 Astral projection, meditation, psychotropics, and spiritual danger
00:34:20 Abraham Lincoln’s double and Mary Todd Lincoln’s interpretation
00:37:32 Fear of the supernatural and angelic encounters
00:39:52 Catherine the Great and the double on the throne
00:42:17 Spiritual laws, secondary causes, and the science of the spirit
00:43:23 Historical doppelganger accounts including John Donne and Goethe
00:45:33 Vardøger, déjà vu, time, and alternate reality questions
00:47:32 Percy Shelley’s disturbing double
00:49:40 Sleep paralysis, shadow figures, and doppelganger speculation

In this collab between Unrefined, Reformed Fringe and Biblical Re-enchantment, Brandon sits down with Anthony Delgado and Doug Van Dorn to move past the basic question of whether giants existed and into the bigger theological issue: why does Scripture keep bringing them up? The conversation traces Nephilim, Rephaim, Genesis 3:15, the seed war, blood, atonement, territorial powers, Mount Hermon, Ezekiel 28, empire, tyranny, and why every strange thread still has to lead us back to Christ.
Timestamps:
00:03:10 Why studying giants matters biblically
00:03:37 Anthony on being honest with strange biblical texts
00:05:21 Giants in the story from Genesis to Revelation
00:07:35 Doug on Andre the Giant, Nephilim bloodlines, and salvation
00:09:48 Are Nephilim always evil and could David’s mighty men be connected
00:12:11 Saul, Jonathan, giant language, and demonization
00:14:28 Giants, blood, atonement, and modern theological drift
00:16:25 Genesis 3:15, the seed war, and why giants matter
00:18:24 Human blood, the Messiah, and genetic corruption
00:20:16 Anthony on Leviticus, atonement, and progressive revelation
00:22:38 A form of godliness while denying the supernatural power of the text
00:24:57 The image of God, spiritual corruption, and materialist hermeneutics
00:27:02 Doug on evangelical materialism and supernatural Scripture
00:29:22 Why giants cannot become the endpoint of interpretation
00:31:42 First Enoch, bloodshed, and sons of false gods
00:34:08 Messianic expectation and the blood of Jesus
00:36:34 Reading Enoch, Jubilees, and Scripture through Messiah
00:38:56 Deuteronomy 32 and ancient textual disagreements
00:41:17 Eschatology, demons, and the days of Noah
00:43:39 Giants, Revelation, and end-times speculation
00:46:02 Reading giants symbolically without losing history
00:48:26 Tyranny, beast imagery, empires, and Revelation
00:50:20 Antichrist, counterfeit sons of God, and inverted worship
00:52:44 So above so below and the counterfeit pattern
00:55:05 Geography, territory, Mount Hermon, and giant locations
00:57:00 Poseidon, Atlantis, Tyre, Hercules, and territorial gods
00:59:25 Satan, the king of Tyre, and Ezekiel 28
01:01:49 Princes, beast imagery, and rulers as images of powers
01:04:07 Baal, Zeus, Alexander, and storm god syncretism
01:06:16 The Angel of the Lord, Yahweh’s inheritance, and the Son
01:08:32 Doug’s final thoughts on putting giants into systematic theology
01:10:43 Spiritual warfare, Ephesians 6, and word-and-spirit theology
01:13:03 Anthony on tyranny, empire, and misplaced hope in rulers
01:15:30 Systems of tyranny, media, corporations, and education
01:17:50 Christian nationalism, political spirits, and final reflections

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In this sponsors-only conversation, Brandon, Lindsy, and Jen slow down one of the most expected but least explained parts of the Christian life: hearing God. They talk through fear, Scripture, the Holy Spirit, peace, imagination, journaling, breathing, emotional honesty, and how to recognize God’s voice without drifting into weirdness or reducing the relationship to a checklist.
Timestamps:
00:00:48 Brandon introduces the topic of hearing God
00:02:15 Why believers are expected to hear God but rarely taught how
00:03:17 Lindsy shares his early tension around cessationism and charismatic caution
00:05:35 Why Scripture alone without relationship can feel like letters without conversation
00:07:52 Fear as one of the main reasons people resist hearing God
00:08:38 Jen reads John 10 and wrestles with the phrase my sheep hear my voice