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    E193 Trauma, Power, and Public Failure: The Bethel/ Shawn Bolz Controversy

    02/2/2026 | 1h 47 mins.
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    Hey, hey, hey—today isn’t a reaction piece. It’s a response. Not a theological sparring match, not a pile-on, not a “pick your side” moment. We’re talking about what sits underneath public failure in the church—power, gifting, trauma, accountability, integrity, and the systems that shape leaders long before anything goes public. If we want real healing, we’ve got to stop playing whack-a-mole with personalities and start asking better questions about formation, cover-up culture, and what restoration actually requires.

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    Timestamps:
    00:02:42 Examining our own hearts before critiquing others
     00:05:01 No one agrees 100 percent with anyone’s theology and why that matters
     00:07:15 Prophetic etiquette and why words must be weighed
     00:09:33 Stage culture money ego and the illusion of total accuracy
     00:11:52 Why these moments expose systems more than individuals
     00:14:08 Upside down ministry model gifting elevated over healing
     00:16:31 Judging behavior vs assigning intention and the iceberg metaphor
     00:18:46 Four levels of consciousness and why triggers persist
     00:20:56 Brandon re-evaluates assumptions and contrasts correction styles
     00:23:16 Freemasonry generational doors and cover-up culture claims
     00:25:41 Character over gifting and why relational community reveals fruit
     00:28:04 What repentance could look like for replatforming
     00:30:22 Predatory patterns and why some behaviors disqualify platform trust
     00:32:37 Organic church family units vs celebrity models
     00:34:53 Board failure power dynamics and why exposure happens externally
     00:37:14 Sanctification put off vs put on and formation practices
     00:39:30 Sonship identity performance and anointing as identity substitute
     00:41:50 Why psychics can seem more accurate and the issue of mixture
     00:44:14 Occult mimicry counterfeit spiritual experiences and discernment
     00:46:37 Dissociation explained trauma survival compartmentalization
     00:48:53 Epigenetics cellular memory and generational impact language
     00:51:17 Accountability after 18 and responsibility for healing
     00:53:38 Freemasonry vow logic and Matthew 18 discipline arc
     00:55:52 Integrity as wholeness and why truth is the safer path
     00:58:12 Jezebel Leviathan Python framework and confusion dynamics
     01:00:35 Witchcraft manipulation twisting intimidation and board dynamics
     01:03:00 501c3 alignment claims and spiritual entanglement discussion
     01:05:23 Symbolism foundations and why “systems” matter spiritually
     01:07:39 Chris Vallotton fallout logic and outcome based ethics
     01:10:02 Tree of life vs knowledge of good and evil applied
     01:12:25 Why integrity heals subconscious double binds and rumination
     01:14:47 Peace joy homeostasis and alignment as nervous system reality
     01:17:02 Frequency language and predators targeting low states
     01:19:25 Learning prophetic safely practice confirmation and community
     01:21:30 Locker room vs field practicing gifts in real life
     01:23:40 Gift of prophecy vs office of prophet relational difference
     01:26:02 Prophecy as potentiality and confirmation over control
     01:28:14 Finding triggers and why guided help matters
     01:30:36 Discerning supernatural favor fruit peace alignment and closed doors
     01:33:00 Enchanted world discernment food offered to idols analogy
     01:35:05 Blessing food and spiritual defilement stories
     01:37:24 ULGs what they are and how they work
     01:39:45 Identity in Christ healing projections and father lens
     01:42:07 Closing encouragement don’t throw the baby out
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    E192 The Two Ways Still Stand

    26/1/2026 | 22 mins.
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    The Didache reads like a first-century field manual for Christians who actually expected to live what they believed. In part two, we talk Eucharist as communal fuel for mission, confession as freedom (not groveling), and why early church leadership looks a lot more “traveling + local” than modern church folks assume. We also land on the Didache’s blunt end-times tone, and the unsettling line about sheep turning into wolves when power and religiosity mix.
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    Timestamps:
    00:00:01 Didache as early church cheat codes and why it still matters
    00:02:27 What the earliest believers lived by before a finalized canon
    00:04:45 Eucharist thanksgiving vine of David and forward-looking hope
    00:07:08 Didache as a church manual catechesis and discipleship pipeline
    00:09:04 Liturgical but not ritualistic critique of performance church
    00:11:30 Scripture tradition and recovering ancient categories
    00:13:55 Eucharist as embodied union and mission fuel
    00:16:12 Progressive revelation recovery and the need for an anchor
    00:18:27 Prima scriptura obedience without merit mentality
    00:20:51 Communion at table fellowship vs individualistic ritual
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    E191 Holy Without The Hustle

    19/1/2026 | 1h 20 mins.
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    Most believers know they’re forgiven… but still live like they’re on probation. In this conversation, we unpack what changes when holiness flows out of who you already are in Christ instead of who you’re trying to become. We get practical about the “striving trap,” mixed-covenant theology, abiding without making it another performance, and why the heart is the real battleground where belief becomes fruit. Plus, a closing prayer and a timely word for Brandon about finishing what God put in his hands.
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    Timestamps:
    00:00:48 Holiness flowing from identity not striving
    00:03:05 Identity as the starting point for behavior
    00:05:29 New creation reality and “who you are in spirit”
    00:09:57 Ontological shift what kind of being are you now
    00:14:45 Mind renewal living within what you already have
    00:17:07 Abiding as response to Him abiding in us
    00:21:43 Why negative self-beliefs feel “humble” in church culture
    00:24:02 Mixed covenant confusion and reframing Jesus’ teachings
    00:33:03 No dusty corners seated with Him as true humility
    00:37:59 Heart in Scripture why it matters so much
    00:40:23 Parable of the sower heart soil Word seed Kingdom fruit
    00:45:09 Quantum imagery observation faith and manifestation
    00:52:08 Practical rest and business goals identity shapes decisions
    00:59:27 Intention dominion and the dangers of going “law of attraction”
    01:08:48 Recommended practice using 52 Things Jesus Did for You
    01:13:27 Repentance as mind change not groveling confession
    01:15:38 Closing prayer to yield and trust
    01:17:54 Prophetic encouragement to finish the book
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    E190 Sticky Faith and False Comforts

    12/1/2026 | 19 mins.
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    In Part 1 of this conversation, Brandon and returning guest Tim Holloway explore the Didache (an early Christian teaching document rediscovered in the 1800s) and what it reveals about the earliest church’s worldview: two ways—life and death, love and chaos, true source vs false sources.
    They unpack why identity matters before you read obedience-heavy texts, how shame drives “self-soothing” behaviors, why attachment to God changes everything, and how the early church viewed baptism as an initiation marked by seriousness, fasting, and formation. They also tease what’s coming next: Eucharist, unity, and early church order that challenges modern assumptions.
    Timestamps:
    00:00:50 Brandon welcomes Tim back and sets up the Didache conversation
    00:03:18 Rediscovery era why the Didache matters “for a time such as this”
    00:05:39 Augustine and early church pivot points
    00:07:48 Ground-floor Christianity loosely held practices surprises ahead
    00:10:17 The two ways worldview life vs death and modern spiritual “both-and” thinking
    00:12:40 Narrow way thoughts identity before reading obedience texts
    00:14:41 Sermon on the Mount echoes loving God neighbor enemy
    00:17:01 Heart condition legalism vs grace shame enters the convo
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    E189 Ping Pong Faith and the Way Out

    05/1/2026 | 1h 19 mins.
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    Sometimes growth in our faith feels less like a ladder and more like getting lost on a trail you thought you already mapped. In this conversation, Brandon is joined in-studio by Jen Parks and Lindsy Waters, and they bring back Dr. Robin Braun to talk about why believers get stuck, why online “metabrawls” keep brawling, and what actually changes when God matures us beyond rule-keeping into relationship.
    Robin breaks down a stages-of-faith framework (drawing from James Fowler and a Christian translation of it) and connects it to what she sees in inner healing work: people who say they trust God, but carry subconscious beliefs that God is angry, punitive, or performance-based. The crew digs into deconstruction, limiting beliefs, church hurt, and why many walk away when their faith was built more on systems than on a living relationship.
    It gets personal too. Robin shares parts of her own story, the cost of hard seasons, and how “nothing is wasted” becomes real on the other side. The thread running through the whole episode is simple but not shallow: when love becomes the aim, the room changes.

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    Timestamps:
    00:00:51 Topic stages of maturity and introduce Dr. Robin Braun
    00:03:14 Brandon frames the “maturity crisis” as more than doctrine
    00:05:37 Robin connects stages of faith to deprogramming beliefs and father wounds
    00:07:56 Robin’s background and early foundation God as a loving Father
    00:10:13 Early supernatural encounters and pursuing theology from intimacy
    00:12:35 Realizing theological ambiguity and why it forces relationship
    00:14:56 Why some deconstruct and don’t come back relationship vs rule system
    00:17:14 Jen asks for a clear framework of the stages
    00:19:25 Stages two and three described tribe shifts and conflict
    00:21:37 Stage four deconstruction and moving toward love
    00:24:01 Holding beliefs loosely and dignity to disagree
    00:26:20 Can people shift stages across seasons and areas of life
    00:28:46 Practical wisdom don’t respond online in heightened emotion
    00:30:50 Brandon shares his own rock bottom deconstruction story
    00:32:50 Jen’s puzzle piece analogy for faith and fringe experiences
    00:35:11 Limiting beliefs ant and spider circle illustration
    00:37:28 Robin’s four stages of healing framework
    00:39:39 Brandon on both and not either or and navigating gray
    00:42:04 Rewriting history theology shifts and removal of miracle accounts
    00:44:31 Rick Warren example and fallout of doctrinal dogmatism
    00:46:52 Bill Gothard and patriarchy damage performance culture
    00:49:08 What changes when disagreements don’t transform anyone
    00:51:33 How hyper performance creates self hatred and fear
    00:53:48 Robin shares marriage story boundaries release and recompense
    00:56:12 Nothing is wasted redemption and compassion formed through suffering
    00:58:32 Brandon on mystery sacramental worldview and trust
    01:00:43 Heart mind alignment trust vs belief and inner wiring
    01:03:03 Porto illustration and carrying beliefs into the heart
    01:05:28 Encouragement for listeners faith shifting as growth not loss
    01:07:51 Practical next steps find guides get healing rebuild relationship
    01:10:15 Robin shares websites training and nonprofit support work
    01:12:29 Where to start drrobinbraun.com vs integratedlifestrategies.com
    01:14:48 Taking back tools mislabeling everything as new age
    01:17:10 Robin prays over listeners and the church

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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.
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