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- Author Heather L. L. Fitzgerald joins Brandon, Lindsy, and Jen to explore the redemptive power of fantasy, storytelling, and imagination. Heather shares the inspiration behind The Tethered World Chronicles, a Christian fantasy series filled with Bigfoot, giants, hidden realms, family, faith, and adventure. The conversation examines the lingering effects of the satanic panic, the difference between discernment and fear, and whether Christians can engage fantasy without embracing the darkness sometimes associated with it. Brandon also shares how fantasy literature helped him through depression, restored his sense of wonder, and reawakened his belief in a supernatural God. From Narnia and Harry Potter to fairy lore, the Nephilim, childlike faith, creativity, and imposter syndrome, this episode considers how good stories can open our eyes to hope, beauty, courage, and the larger story God is telling.
https://www.heatherllfitzgerald.com/
Amazon link to the series:
http://tiny.cc/ett7101
Link to Realm Makers
https://www.bookishkop.com/
blog post mentioned about fantasy
Timestamps
00:00:06 – Good Fantasy, Hope, and Seeing Beyond the Present
00:00:28 – Introducing Heather L. L. Fitzgerald
00:03:12 – The Tethered World Chronicles Explained
00:05:06 – Bigfoot, Hidden Realms, Giants, and Eden
00:06:49 – Growing Up During the Satanic Panic
00:10:03 – How Heather’s Family Inspired the Books
00:14:55 – Christian Pushback Against Fantasy
00:17:59 – Good Nephilim and David’s Mighty Men
00:20:48 – Fantasy as a Parable on Steroids
00:23:42 – Fairy Bread and Gifts from the Fae
00:25:39 – Discernment, Convictions, and Gray Areas
00:26:51 – Harry Potter, Darkness, and Redemptive Themes
00:31:54 – Spell Books, Superheroes, and Christian Hypocrisy
00:35:37 – How Fantasy Helped Brandon Survive Depression
00:38:00 – Rediscovering the Supernatural Through Stories
00:40:09 – How Fantasy Made the Bible Feel Real Again
00:42:18 – Fantasy, Childlike Faith, and C. S. Lewis
00:44:07 – Joy, Nostalgia, and Eating the Meat
00:45:11 – Stories as a Framework for Wonder
00:46:46 – Phones, Doomscrolling, and the Loss of Imagination
00:47:34 – Jesus as the Ultimate Storyteller
00:48:58 – Writing, Creativity, and Imposter Syndrome
00:52:27 – Spiritual Themes Heather Discovered After Writing
00:53:02 – Writing the Third Book with God
00:56:35 – Heather’s Favorite Book in the Series
01:01:27 – Advice for Aspiring Fantasy Writers
01:03:03 – Realm Makers and Christian Speculative Fiction
01:04:23 – Becoming Who God Says You Are
01:06:31 – What Heather Is Writing Next
01:08:38 – The C. S. Lewis Writers Conference
01:10:35 – Where to Find Heather and Her Books
01:11:05 – A Future Narnia-Inspired Story - In this thought-provoking rewind episode, Brandon is joined by Amy from Eyes on the Right to explore biblical patterns surrounding the last days, the increase of knowledge, technological acceleration, spiritual deception, AI, transhumanism, UFO narratives, and the importance of discernment. Rather than encouraging fear or sensationalism, this conversation challenges believers to recognize recurring biblical patterns, remain anchored in God's Word, and rely on the Holy Spirit to navigate an increasingly confusing world. Above all, this episode is a call to pursue wisdom over speculation and Christ over conspiracy.
Timestamps
00:00:28 – Rewind Introduction: Why This Conversation Matters
00:01:39 – As in the Days of Noah: Setting the Stage
00:04:00 – What Really Happened in the Days of Noah?
00:06:28 – Gnosticism, Occult Knowledge & the Pursuit of Hidden Wisdom
00:07:07 – Daniel 12:4 and the Increase of Knowledge
00:08:53 – "Knowledge Is Power" and the End-Time Deception
00:09:41 – The Danger of Chasing Every Rabbit Trail
00:11:14 – When Christians Begin Questioning Scripture
00:13:36 – Wisdom, Sorrow & Solomon's Warning
00:14:18 – Genesis 6, DNA, and the Days of Noah
00:16:01 – Gender, Transhumanism & the First Chapters of Genesis
00:18:26 – A Seed War: Altering God's Creation
00:20:49 – GMOs, Food, and the Pattern of Corruption
00:21:31 – Is Satan Deceived by His Own Lies?
00:23:09 – Luciferian Narratives and Reprobate Minds
00:25:22 – AI, Ancient Technology & the Return of Old Patterns
00:27:42 – The Metaverse, Phones & Losing Touch with Creation
00:29:45 – History Repeats: The Pattern Before the Flood
00:30:53 – UFOs, Disclosure & End-Time Deception
00:34:23 – Truthers, Psyops & Learning Discernment
00:36:46 – Don't Fall for the "Everything Is a Psyop" Trap
00:38:57 – Information Overload and Spiritual Distraction
00:41:23 – Angelic Beings, Hybrids & Ancient Mysteries
00:43:00 – Giants, DNA & the Shroud of Turin Theory
00:45:10 – Relics, Cursed Objects & Spiritual Counterfeits
00:47:27 – Controlled Opposition & Testing Every Spirit
00:49:52 – Taking a Break from the Fringe
00:52:16 – Countermeasures, Spiritual Warfare & Staying Grounded
00:54:28 – What Might the Antichrist Actually Look Like?
00:59:12 – A Physical Antichrist, Patterns & Biblical Consistency
01:01:31 – Torahism, the Law & the Finished Work of Christ
01:03:53 – Patterns, Discernment & Avoiding Deception
01:06:13 – Law, Grace & the Difference Between Justice and Legalism
01:07:58 – Final Encouragement: Stay Anchored in Christ
01:08:31 – Amy's Closing Prayer - Government hearings. Whistleblowers. UFO disclosure. Alien claims. Christians calling everything demonic.
But what if the real answer is far more complicated?
Dr. Jonathan Kendall joins Brandon to explore the growing evidence surrounding UFOs and UAPs while challenging the simplistic explanations often offered from every side of the debate.
Together they discuss government evidence, consciousness, high strangeness, extradimensional realities, ancient encounters, quantum physics, biblical worldview, and why the phenomenon may force us to rethink how we understand reality itself.
Rather than choosing between "aliens" or "demons," this conversation asks whether we've been asking the wrong questions all along.
Amazon - New Book
https://x.com/JKendallMD
https://jonathankendallmd.com/
Timestamps:
00:28 Introduction and welcome back Dr. Jonathan Kendall
02:41 Jonathan's lifelong interest in UFOs and the paranormal
03:56 His grandfather's mysterious West Virginia UFO encounter
05:27 Has Jonathan ever had a UFO experience himself?
07:20 What convinced him UFOs are a real phenomenon?
09:55 Project Blue Book and the overwhelming evidence
13:31 The strongest evidence for UAPs today
15:37 Government secrecy, disclosure, and finding the truth
17:08 Are we actually moving toward disclosure?
19:14 Extraterrestrial vs. extradimensional vs. spiritual explanations
21:02 Beyond Cartesian dualism: a new way of understanding reality
23:08 The case for the extraterrestrial hypothesis
25:04 Why Jonathan ultimately leans toward the extradimensional view
27:20 Separating genuine encounters from misidentifications
29:28 Super Psi, consciousness, and paranormal experiences
31:49 Why reality isn't simply "either/or"
32:47 Are aliens really demons?
34:37 Logic, conspiracies, and the danger of flattening reality
36:58 Jacques Vallée, Diana Pasulka, and Christian perspectives
39:14 What Jonathan hopes readers take away from his book
40:41 Jinn, fairies, folklore, and ancient parallels
44:00 Biblical examples of the physical and spiritual overlapping
45:55 Time travel, quantum physics, and the transfiguration
47:18 Where to connect with Jonathan and his work
48:04 Thoughts on the new disclosure movie
49:11 "We need to get away from the idea that UFOs are demons."
49:56 Jonathan's final encouragement to Christians - https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com
Could history itself be one of the greatest deceptions ever told? In this episode, Brandon and the team welcome back Joel Thomas to unpack the rapidly growing "Little Season of Satan" theory. Together they examine its claims about Revelation 20, altered timelines, Tartaria, missing centuries, the Mandela Effect, and the belief that Christ's millennial reign has already occurred. Rather than simply dismissing the theory, Joel carefully traces its historical origins, theological foundations, and conspiracy overlaps while comparing them against Scripture, church history, and biblical context. The conversation ultimately challenges listeners to pursue discernment without losing sight of Christ, reminding believers that hope should always outweigh fear.
"If our search for hidden knowledge causes us to lose sight of Jesus, we've already lost the plot." - Forgiveness is one of the most necessary parts of the Christian life, but it is also one of the most misunderstood. In this episode, Brandon and Sandy sit down with Dr. Everett Worthington to talk about what forgiveness actually is, what it is not, and why reconciliation is something different altogether. Dr. Worthington shares the tragic story of his mother’s murder and how that moment forced him to live out the very forgiveness he had spent years studying and teaching. The conversation explores decisional forgiveness, emotional forgiveness, rumination, resentment, justice, boundaries, and what happens inside us when unforgiveness takes root. Dr. Worthington also walks through his REACH model and offers practical help for those who feel stuck in pain, anger, or grief. This is a powerful, honest, and hope-filled conversation for anyone wrestling with what it means to forgive without pretending the wound never happened.
Ev's Book https://a.co/d/01UMgKXo
Ev's Website -https://www.evworthington-forgiveness.com/
Timestamps
00:08 Forgiveness and reconciliation are not the same thing
00:28 Welcome to the Unrefined Podcast
00:51 Introducing Dr. Everett Worthington and the topic of forgiveness
03:13 Dr. Worthington’s early work studying forgiveness
05:36 The murder of Dr. Worthington’s mother
07:41 Wrestling with anger after tragedy
10:06 Realizing he had to face forgiveness personally
12:29 Forgiveness does not erase justice
14:56 Defining forgiveness through stress and coping
17:12 Understanding the injustice gap
19:37 Different biblical ways to respond to injustice
21:57 Decisional forgiveness and emotional forgiveness
24:17 Restraint, the brain, and choosing not to retaliate
26:41 The difference between forgiveness and reconciliation
29:00 Boundaries, toxic relationships, and reconciliation
30:22 What it means to love your enemy
32:50 The REACH model of forgiveness
35:12 Giving the gift of forgiveness
37:32 When hurt comes back after forgiving
39:51 Anger, fear, and the body’s protective response
42:14 Rumination and unforgiveness
44:35 Vengeance, grudge-holding, and gender differences
47:02 Decisional forgiveness, emotional forgiveness, and well-being
49:07 Matthew 6 and “forgive to be forgiven”
51:25 Forgiveness, salvation, and God’s judgment
53:51 A word for listeners carrying deep wounds
55:36 Practicing forgiveness over time
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