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Brandon Spain & Lindsy Waters
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  • E181 Widespread Panic? Or Widespread Programming?
    In this episode, Brandon, Lindsy, and cohost Jennifer Parks dive into the history and fallout of the 1980s “Satanic Panic,” focusing on the rise and fall of Christian comedian Mike Warnke. They unpack how Warnke’s book The Satan Seller and testimony about being a former Satanic high priest helped spark nationwide hysteria—and how later investigations unraveled parts of his story, leading to his public disgrace. The trio explores the broader cultural forces at play, from media manipulation and government psyops to church fear-mongering, and reflect on how believers treat fallen heroes. The conversation weaves humor, empathy, and insight into fear-based religion, false memory syndrome, and grace in the aftermath of failure.Timestamps:00:00:54 Welcome 00:03:13 Who was Mike Warnke? 00:05:30 Warnke’s early life and beginnings 00:07:52 His rise as a Christian comedian 00:10:18 Testimony of salvation in bootcamp 00:12:40 Did Warnke cause the Satanic Panic? 00:14:47 “Michelle Remembers” and false memory roots 00:17:10 Church mysticism and altered states 00:19:36 The rise of the Satanic Panic 00:21:55 Fear, media, and moral hysteria 00:24:17 McMartin case and guilt by association 00:26:43 Cornerstone Magazine exposes Warnke 00:29:09 Divorce, the church, and hypocrisy 00:31:30 Self-righteousness and judgment 00:33:52 How do we treat fallen believers? 00:36:16 Jeffrey Victor’s The Satanic Panic and anti-supernatural bias00:38:39 Reason, discernment, and the Wesleyan quadrilateral00:41:03 If Satan can’t stop you, he’ll push you too far00:43:25 How love treats fallen heroes00:45:52 Shame vs conviction in Christian life00:48:16 Grace and the value of people00:50:36 Church discipline and restoration00:52:59 Modern fallout and confused truth00:55:21 The Delphi murders and Odinism connection00:57:45 Government psyops and the “deep cult”01:00:03 CIA, media control, and discrediting SRA01:02:28 Where is Mike Warnke now?01:04:46 Brokenness, mercy, and redemption01:06:51 Grace, judgment, and final reflections
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  • E180 The Serpent Said WHAT?
    Some ideas belong in the theological recycle bin—this episode takes on one of them. We unpack the “serpent seed” doctrine, where it came from, why it keeps resurfacing, and how it collapses under Hebrew, history, and the church fathers. We trace its Gnostic fingerprints, show how it fuels bad fruit (including racist distortions), and contrast it with the biblical “seed” theme fulfilled in Christ. We also sort out why people confuse Genesis 3 with Genesis 6 and how presentism, isogesis, and click-driven sensationalism muddy the waters. Along the way: Irenaeus, Heiser, Zohar, Ophites, Branham/Murray, and why sound doctrine must marry reason and the supernatural. We wrap with practical tests for spotting heresy and a call back to creedal foundations that love the real Jesus. Today we, welcome back Dr. Judd Burton.https://www.burtonbeyond.net/Timestamps 00:00:08 Creedal foundation 00:00:28 Show intro 00:00:56 Guest setup 00:03:11 What is serpent seed 00:05:36 Deception is moral 00:07:38 Language and training 00:09:43 Interest vs. authority 00:12:08 Fathers refuted it 00:14:31 Gnostic sources cited 00:16:57 Zohar/Kabbalah misuse 00:19:19 Racist applications 00:21:26 Fruit test of doctrine 00:23:48 Nephilim vs serpent seed 00:26:13 Projecting Gen 6 00:33:03 Crushing the serpent 00:35:10 Seed ≠ DNA only 00:37:34 Presentism cautions 00:39:43 Evidence and humility 00:42:08 Emergent/Gnostic drift 00:44:30 Deconstruction nuance 00:46:51 Creed over tribe 00:49:17 Unraveling danger 00:51:39 Torah and grace 00:54:05 Final thanks
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  • E178 The Cost of Modern Christianity
    This conversation peels back the glossy veneer on modern church culture and asks what Jesus actually had in mind. We talk megachurch money, the “business model” of religion, and whether tithing-as-law was ever the point. Amy unpacks the influencer pastor era, the pressure-cooker system that breeds burnout, and why Acts-style fellowship (shared tables, rotating teachers, real accountability) still works. We compare Sunday stage shows to small, Spirit-led communities and ask if the apostles would even recognize our churches. From Laodicea warnings to Watchman Nee–style generosity, we press into discipleship over attendance. It’s frank, hopeful, and aimed at reform from the inside out with one of our favorite guests- Amy from Eyes on the Right podcast!Amy’s Counseling Website: https://www.biblicalguidancecounseling.com/Amy's Podcast Same Topic: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-mega-church-money-machine/id1692081180?i=1000716256160*Catch This Must-Watch Docuseries : https://www.thereligionbusiness.com/purchase/AMYW36*IG: eyesontherighpodcast & eyesontheright4.0Timestamps:00:01:00 Exposing the business of Christianity00:02:47 Mention of “The Religious Business” documentary00:05:08 Heart posture vs church consumerism00:07:29 Institutional systems and fallen influence00:09:42 Pastoral pressure and spiritual burnout00:11:56 Success measured by butts in pews00:14:23 What is church? The body of Christ00:16:42 Pedestal pastors and misplaced focus00:18:59 Shared teaching and authentic leadership00:21:25 Comparing Acts church to modern models00:22:05 Tithing vs New Covenant generosity00:24:32 Giving as worship and heart posture00:26:45 Generosity, reaping, and sowing in faith00:29:05 Can the megachurch model be redeemed?00:31:22 Laodicea church and spiritual blindness00:33:43 House church rhythm and online fellowship00:36:03 Would the apostles recognize our churches?00:38:19 One-anothering and real fellowship00:40:41 Why recovery groups feel like real church00:43:07 Transparency, confession, and authentic ministry00:45:26 Amy’s story — “Get up” and walk again00:47:46 Prayer for the church and believers00:49:53 Guest plugs and final thoughts
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  • E177 The C👁️‍🗨️A's Greatest Hits
    Brandon and Lindsy welcome a guest who cracks open a hidden dossier on culture-war psyops—where protest songs, psychedelics, and carefully scripted narratives intertwine. Listeners are led through a labyrinth of acid parties that weren’t so “free,” Laurel Canyon salons doubling as distribution hubs, and elite families underwriting a psychedelic renaissance that looks far less organic than advertised. From Lennon to Hendrix, Cobain to Tupac, the names you thought were untouchable are revealed as pawns in a much bigger game. This conversation pulls the velvet curtain back on COINTELPRO echoes in hip-hop, the strange survival of “sex & rock ’n’ roll” while “no drugs” artists vanished, and the shift from vinyl manipulation to viral manipulation.  Guiding us through this maze of evidence and implication is researcher and filmmaker John Potash.Get his books---https://amzn.to/3Wizkgnhttps://www.johnpotash.com/Timestamps 00:52 Setting up today’s topic – hidden war through drugs & culture 02:00 John Potash joins  03:15 John’s personal story with LSD and realization 05:20 Counseling, corruption & activism background 07:45 Oligarch fingerprints on U.S. intelligence 10:00 How John got sources on Tupac & COINTELPRO 12:10 CIA whistleblowers & early articles 14:30 Courtney Love, Kurt Cobain & LSD distribution 16:50 MKULTRA documents & acid in colleges/prisons 19:10 Timothy Leary, Millbrook Mansion & the Mellons 21:25 Ken Kesey, Merry Pranksters & the psychedelic bus 23:50 Crisis-actor rumors about Tupac 26:15 The Grateful Dead & acid tests 28:30 How psychedelics weaken emotional control 31:20 John Lennon’s story, Yoko Ono & manipulation 33:35 Heroin as a control tactic & parallels with other artists 36:00 Psychedelics today, ketamine, and medical narrative 38:15 Funding links: MAPS, Heffter Institute & billionaires 40:35 Church abuse, MKULTRA techniques still active 42:55 John’s website, books & projects / closing thoughts
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  • E176 Shroud-Pilled: Science Meets Resurrection
    This episode peers into a relic shrouded in both legend and light—the mysterious cloth known as the Shroud of Turin. Brandon, Lindsy, and guest cohost Jen Parks trace its strange trail through history, where carbon dating collides with forensic detail, plasma bursts hint at hidden forces, and ancient lenses raise unsettling questions. Is it art, accident, or a fragment of resurrection itself? In this journey through science, faith, and the unexplained, we welcome back Dr. Trevor Lohman.Get the book!Shroud-pilled -https://amzn.to/4nVyou9God's EyeView Book-https://amzn.to/4fhQByYThank you!!!As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchasesTimestamps 00:51 Welcome Back Dr. Trevor Lohman 03:18 Initial thoughts on the Shroud 05:39 First photograph and negative image 08:06 Depth data and 3D qualities 10:31 Skeptics vs believers 12:50 Gospel accounts and contradictions 15:12 Faith vs relic debates 17:30 Forensic blood evidence 19:53 Camera obscura theory 22:16 Carbon dating controversy 24:31 Tracing historical custody 26:55 1988 carbon dating scandal 29:18 Problems with raw data 31:38 Explaining carbon dating 34:00 Non-invasive dating evidence 36:26 Historical chain back to Edessa 38:42 Motives and skepticism 41:05 Plasma discharge theory 43:29 Double superficiality discovery 45:53 Shroud uniqueness 48:16 Free will and faith tension 50:42 Protestant skepticism 53:06 Trevor’s personal transformation 55:18 Skeptical vs believer arguments 57:39 AB blood and relic debates 01:00:02 Resurrection significance 01:02:26 Trevor’s podcast and other books
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.
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