UI Breakfast: UI/UX Design and Product Strategy

Today we have another episode of Better Done Than Perfect. Listen in as we talk to Asia Orangio, founder and CEO of DemandMaven. You'll learn about the five growth levers you can pull, why you might be doing OKRs wrong, how to know which marketing programs to double down on, and more.
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Show notes
DemandMaven
In Demand Episode 26: What is the SaaS Black Hole?
Managing SaaS Growth with Asia Orangio
Userlist’s email examples posts
SignWell – example of a good SEO program
Amplitude, Google Analytics 4, SegMetrics – marketing attribution tools
Metabase – business intelligence tool
Dovetail, Cognism, Balsamiq, Drift – good marketing program examples
MagicLibrary – ideas for ads
ProfitWell’s hot sauce campaign
Follow Asia on Bluesky and LinkedIn
The Work by DemandMaven on Substack
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How can tokens help your design and development teams become more efficient? Our guest today is Jan Six, staff product designer at GitHub and co-creator of Tokens Studio. You’ll learn how design components and tokens correlate on a technical level, why adoption is the biggest challenge in design systems, how you can get started with creating your own systems, and more.
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Show Notes
Tokens Studio
Naming Tokens in Design Systems – an article by Nathan Curtis
The Many Faces of Themeable Design Systems – an article by Brad Frost
Primer – GitHub’s design system
Visit Jan’s website
Follow Jan on Bluesky
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Today we have another episode of Better Done Than Perfect. Listen in as we talk to Connor Joyce, senior user researcher at Microsoft and author of Bridging Intention to Impact. You'll learn why you need to ask if your product is really working, the five success metrics for products, some approaches to collecting behavioral data, and more.
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Show notes
Bridging Intention to Impact
Desired Outcome Labs
Follow Connor on LinkedIn
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Is research still a great investment? Our guest today is Alice Lee, Strategy Director at Work & Co. You’ll learn about their shippable user research process, how to ask the right questions about things you don’t know, how they helped GoFundMe with their charity action page, and more.
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Show Notes
Work & Co
Just Enough Research – a book by Erika Hall
UX Collective – a great blog on design
Check out Alice’s website
Follow Alice on LinkedIn
This episode is brought to you by Wix Studio — the new web platform for agencies and enterprises. The magic of Wix Studio is its advanced design capabilities which makes website creation efficient and intuitive. Here are a few things you can do:
Work in sync with your team on one canvas
Reuse templates, widgets and sections across sites
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Today we have another episode of Better Done Than Perfect. Listen in as we talk to Michael Margolis, UX Research Partner at Google Ventures. You'll learn about their bullseye customer sprint, the difference between an ideal customer profile and the bullseye customer, how to apply prototypes, and more.
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Show notes
Learn More Faster – Michael’s book
Follow Michael on LinkedIn
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