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The Defiant - DeFi Podcast

Camila Russo
The Defiant - DeFi Podcast
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  • Tokenize Everything: Robert Leshner’s Vision for On-Chain Finance
    Robert Leshner — the mind behind Compound, and now the founder of Superstate — believes the next trillion-dollar shift will come from bringing the world’s assets on-chain.In this episode, Cami sits down with one of DeFi’s earliest pioneers to unpack:Why DeFi itself shouldn’t change — but assets willHow tokenized T-bills, basis strategies, and even equities are finally getting institutional tractionWhy regulatory “tailwinds,” not new laws, unlocked the RWA boomThe two competing models of tokenized stocks — and why both will winWhat happens when DeFi becomes the infrastructure powering TradFiWhat he’d do differently after Compound’s messy transition to decentralized governanceRobert also gives us a candid breakdown of how Superstate is building “canonical tokenization” — letting public companies turn their actual stock into blockchain-native assets — and why the real breakthrough won’t come from issuance… but from DeFi use cases.
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  • ​​Is DYOR Dead? Building a Safer Web3 with Alex Katz
    In a world of fast-advancing technology, we are told to trust in our own research. But as the crypto space matures, scams and exploits remain a constant presence. When your assets are gone, they are gone forever, with a near-zero chance of recovery. The old mantra of "Do Your Own Research" falls short against sophisticated threats like address poisoning, advanced malware, and convincing AI deepfakes. How, then, do we build a safer Web3 without sacrificing the decentralized ideals at its core?Alex Katz, CEO of the Web3 security solution Kerberus, joins us to explore this new frontier. We delve into the philosophical debate of autonomy versus protection, the push for auditing standards, and the future of wallet-native security.Chapters00:00 Android vulnerability: why mobile crypto is risky01:21 Building safer Web3 without sacrificing decentralization02:10 Crypto’s Wild West: few rules, big risks03:37 Why scams continue: prosecution, standards, protection gaps05:44 Kerberus approach and results: zero user losses06:24 Coverage up to $30K and growth needs08:24 Why DYOR is insufficient for modern threats09:33 Traders’ behavior, phishing risk, and automation11:25 Crypto antivirus vision and malware threats12:11 Hardware vs. hot wallets: balancing safety and speed14:41 Address poisoning, clipboard privacy, and deepfakes20:22 Autonomy vs. protection: beyond user education24:44 Wallet security should be default, like antivirus31:51 Getting grandma into Web3 safely32:29 Lightning round: tools, myths, key lessons36:04 Where to find Kerberus and closing notes
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  • Avalanche DeFi: the Journey to Bring Institutions Onchain
    In the second episode of Ecosystems: Avalanche, we track the protocol’s trajectory, which included a peak valuation of $13 billion, followed by a period of consolidation and strategic redevelopment.The Defiant founder Camila Russo and Ava Labs' Chief Strategy Officer Luigi D’Onorio DeMeo are joined by founders from BENQI, Euler Labs, and LFJ, who are building on the Avalanche protocol. The conversation covers technical upgrades such as Octane and Etna, aimed at reducing fees, and Interchain Messaging, designed to enhance interoperability between blockchains. It also addresses the strategy to onboard institutional clients, including T. Rowe Price and Wellington, through customized Layer 1 solutions.Can Avalanche cultivate an ecosystem that thrives without relying on constant incentives, particularly regarding liquidity and user retention? Join us to find out.
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  • Inside the PYUSD's takeover of PayPal with May Zabaneh, VP Crypto
    In this conversation, May Zabaneh breaks down PayPal’s move into stablecoins with PYUSD and why it matters for financial inclusion. We explore how PYUSD could lower costs for cross-border payments, deliver faster settlement, and plug directly into PayPal’s existing ecosystem. The discussion covers why PayPal built a proprietary stablecoin, early adoption and real-world use cases, and plans for international expansion. We also examine the role merchants play in crypto acceptance, how DeFi and traditional finance are converging, and why interoperability will be essential in the next phase of digital payments.Chapters00:00 PayPal’s Vision for Stablecoins02:47 Why PYUSD? Rationale and Goals05:18 Stablecoin Advantages: 24/7, Inclusion, Cross‑Border08:22 Why Proprietary vs Supporting Others11:06 Unlocking B2B and Rebuilding On‑Chain12:20 PYUSD in the PayPal/Venmo Ecosystem14:21 International Expansion and Global Transfers17:02 Merchant Fit: Categories, Costs, Declines19:32 User Segments: Crypto‑Curious to Super Users23:28 Pay with Crypto: Scaling to Larger Merchants29:38 PYUSD in DeFi: Open and Multi‑Chain32:01 Liquidity, Partnerships, and the Three Pillars35:56 Interoperability and Evolving Roles39:11 AI x Payments: Agent‑Driven Commerce40:42 Finding the Flywheel, What’s Next
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  • Why Yat Siu Believes Altcoins Will Surpass Bitcoin
    In Web3, we find ourselves in an age of digital phantoms, a "click-farm" era where identity is flimsy and easily fabricated. But what if reputation could be real, portable, and valuable? Animoca Brands co-founder Yat Siu returns to explore this very question, detailing a vision for a trust layer built on zero-knowledge proofs.He reveals plans for a Hong Kong dollar stablecoin, a joint venture with Standard Chartered and HKT awaiting regulatory approval, and unpacks the Mocaverse ecosystem where staking power and airdrops build a verifiable, cross-chain identity. We also explore the future of Web3 gaming, the coming meta shift from GTA 6, and a bold thesis: why the entire altcoin market may one day eclipse Bitcoin.Tune in to discover how we might build a more trustworthy digital future.Chapters00:18 Solving Web3's "Click Fraud" Problem01:01 Animoca's Plan for a Hong Kong Stablecoin03:12 Navigating Hong Kong and China's Regulatory Landscape09:11 The Composability and Promise of Stablecoins11:09 Introducing the Mocaverse Loyalty SDK12:56 Building an Interoperable Digital Identity15:04 The Search for Trust in a Permissionless World18:34 Data Custody, GDPR, and Self-Sovereignty21:02 Can Reputation Live Across Multiple Chains?27:07 The Limits of KYC and Airdrop Farming28:49 Staking Power and Airdrops as a Form of Credit40:34 Rumors of a US Listing for Animoca45:13 The Future of Web3 Gaming and the GTA 6 Effect56:22 Why Altcoins May One Day Eclipse Bitcoin
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The internet of money is being built with blockchain technology and without banks. We call it DeFi, short for Decentralized Finance, and this is where you can hear the builders and users of this cutting edge world tell their stories first hand. Hosted by Camila Russo.
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