HORSE, FIRST - with Lockie Phillips

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In this episode of Horse First, Lockie Phillips sits down with Canadian horse trainer Remy Burley, a specialist in operant conditioning and clicker training.

The conversation begins with identity, representation, and the reality that who we are inevitably shapes how we move through the horse world. Together, Lockie and Remy explore the idea that the personal is political, what it means to be visible within a community, and why representation continues to matter.

From there, they turn their attention to clicker training and operant conditioning, a field that has become surprisingly controversial despite its growing influence on modern horse training.

Rather than debating camps and labels, this episode explores the practical realities of training horses, where different approaches overlap, where they diverge, and what both trainers have learned from their own experiences working with horses and people.

This is a conversation about identity, training, belonging, and the importance of staying curious enough to learn from those whose paths differ from our own.

Remy is based in Canada and is available for online coaching and tuition.
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Most horse people assume dangerous horses are disobedient horses.

What if the opposite is sometimes true?

In this episode of Horse First, Lockie Phillips explores the hidden risks of teaching horses that they have no options, no voice, and no meaningful way to disagree.

Far from creating safety, the removal of dissent can create horses who suppress communication until they have no choice but to express themselves in larger, riskier, and more dramatic ways.

Through practical examples ranging from trailer loading and catching to veterinary care and everyday handling, Lockie examines the difference between obedience and cooperation, compliance and agreement, and why some of the safest horses in the world are the ones who know how to say "no" without losing the relationship.

This is a conversation about consent, communication, and the often-overlooked connection between freedom and safety.

Because the safest horse isn't the horse who never disagrees.

It's the horse who knows how.

And knows someone is listening

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In this episode of Horse First, Lockie Phillips sits down with horse trainer, high school teacher, equestrian relationship coach, and upcoming UK clinic host Cat Roy Stanley following her two-week live-in internship at the farm.
Together they reflect on the experience of stepping away from everyday life and immersing yourself completely in horses, learning, and community.

The conversation explores the clarity Cat gained around consent, boundaries, safety, technique, and the subtle difference between getting a horse to do something and creating the conditions where a horse genuinely wants to participate.

They also discuss business, teaching, personal growth, and the unexpected ways that living alongside horses and horse people can challenge old assumptions while opening new possibilities.

Most importantly, this episode is about what happens when learning becomes experiential rather than theoretical. When ideas stop living in books, podcasts, and social media posts and start living in your body, your relationships, and your daily practice.

And yes, there was a lot of laughter along the way.

This is a conversation about clarity, growth, and what becomes possible when you give yourself permission to learn deeply.

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In this episode of Horse First, Lockie Phillips sits down with horsewoman, mustang owner, former jeweler, and emerging educator Hayley Josephs.

Together they explore the often-overlooked stage of horsemanship where learning is happening faster than certainty, and where curiosity becomes more valuable than confidence.

Hayley shares her journey from a creative career in jewelry making to life with horses in Colorado, the lessons her mustangs have taught her, and what it feels like to step into teaching while still very much being a student herself.

Along the way, they discuss creativity in horsemanship, the challenges and opportunities of being a newcomer, and why some of the most important growth happens when we're willing to admit we don't yet have all the answers.

This is a conversation about humility, curiosity, and the courage it takes to keep learning in a world that often rewards certainty.

Because sometimes the people closest to the beginning are also the people most able to see what everyone else has forgotten.

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In this episode of Horse First, Lockie Phillips names a difficult truth: many of the biggest harms in horse culture aren’t just about methods, they’re about instruction. From gatekeeping information and disempowering students with phrases like “You’re not a trainer,” to insecure teaching systems that rely on dependency instead of education, this episode explores how toxic pedagogy keeps both humans and horses stuck. With real-life examples and a clear call toward ethical, skill-building mentorship, Lockie invites listeners to stop paying for shame and confusion, and to seek instructors who create capable, comfortable adults and safer, more communicative horses.

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