The Manager's Playbook

In this episode of The Manager’s Playbook, I’m joined by J. Erving III, CEO & Founder of Human Re Sources (a SONY Music/The Orchard partner), to talk about what it really takes to build an artist-led career in today’s music business.
We get into artist development through the lens of elite sports: the “goosebumps” moment matters, but discipline, work ethic, and execution are what separate great artists from talented ones. J breaks down how they support independent artists with music distribution and label services without hijacking the vision, plus why RAYE is the perfect example of an artist staying “captain of the ship,” from creative control to how early TikTok/Reels indicators helped spark momentum around “Escapism.”
We also talk team-building, music industry leadership, culture, and what he learned alongside operators like Troy Carter, including why in both business and music, you should always bet on teams over ideas.
Simply put, a conversation like this doesn't come cheap.

If you’re earning publishing income, make sure you’re collecting all of it.KOSIGN, powered by Kobalt, offers direct global publishing collections and real-time royalty transparency in a flexible, artist-friendly format. It’s highly selective, but free to apply here: https://bit.ly/4b438pj
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If you’re a songwriter, producer, or manager, this is the publishing conversation that saves people from “congrats on the deal” regret.
In this clip, Jacob Paul breaks down what a co-publishing (co-pub) deal really is, because a lot of creators sign one thinking they’re buying support, when they’re actually giving up catalog ownership. In a typical co-pub, the publisher collects your publishing royalties and takes a piece of the copyright, often half of the publisher’s share (commonly translating to ~25% of the total copyright), and in some deals the publisher takes the entire publisher’s share. Translation: you’re not just paying a fee. You’re trading future leverage.
The hard truth is that early-career co-pubs can be selling low, unless the publisher genuinely delivers: real creative doors, real placements, real career acceleration, and an advance that matches the ownership you’re giving up.
Jacob also explains why many independents prefer a publishing administration (admin) deal: you keep 100% ownership, the admin handles song registrations, splits, metadata, and global royalty collection, and you pay an admin fee for a set term, without getting locked into a permanent rights grab.
If you care about music business fundamentals, publishing deals, and protecting your catalog like an asset, this is required listening.
Simply put, a conversation like this doesn't come cheap.

If you’re earning publishing income, make sure you’re collecting all of it. KOSIGN, powered by Kobalt, offers direct global publishing collections and real-time royalty transparency in a flexible, artist-friendly format. It’s highly selective, but free to apply here: https://bit.ly/4b438pj

Listen to the full episode here -
Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5z09vVzFlYNzibGHcwW32U?si=2FWliP1CTUue2D8JCDt60Q

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If you’re an independent artist, producer, or songwriter, there’s a good chance you’re doing the loud part right (streams, content, growth) while missing the quiet part that builds real stability: music publishing royalties.
In this clip, Jacob breaks down the two buckets creators overlook the most, mechanical royalties and international publishing royalties, and why “I’ll set it up later” is one of the most expensive sentences in the music business. Publishing is a system: song registrations, splits, metadata, and global collection. When it’s built correctly, your songwriting catalog can compound into a real residual business, an asset you can leverage, sell, or pass down.
We also talk directly to producers: if you contributed to the composition (not just the master recording), you should be negotiating for publishing splits and registering them consistently. Because unclaimed royalties don’t wait forever, after a window, they can become unallocated and end up in the black box, redistributed based on market share. The scale of the problem is massive, and the fix is boring, but profitable.
Simply put, a conversation like this doesn't come cheap.

If you’re earning publishing income, make sure you’re collecting all of it. KOSIGN, powered by Kobalt, offers direct global publishing collections and real-time royalty transparency in a flexible, artist-friendly format. It’s highly selective, but free to apply here: https://bit.ly/4b438pj

Listen to the full episode here -
Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5z09vVzFlYNzibGHcwW32U?si=2FWliP1CTUue2D8JCDt60Q

Watch the Episodes On Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@managersplaybook

You can be “up” on Spotify and still collect $0 in publishing royalties.
That’s the quiet trap: publishing isn’t paid by default. Master recording money tends to flow through labels and distributors. But music publishing lives in the backend, song registrations, splits, metadata, and global royalty collection, and if you don’t proactively set it up across territories, the system won’t warn you. You’ll just stay unpaid.
In this clip, Jacob Paul breaks down why “I joined ASCAP/BMI” is a great first step but not the finish line. Performing rights organizations typically focus on performance royalties and mostly collect directly in one territory, while international publishing collection often relies on reciprocal agreements that can add middlemen, slow reporting, reduce transparency, and leave real money behind, especially when mechanical royalties and worldwide streaming are involved.
That’s why global publishing administrators exist: to register songs broadly, match splits, and help creators collect publishing income more efficiently worldwide. We also touch on KOSIGN and why flexible publishing administration matters for independent artists, producers, songwriters, and managers who want systems without getting boxed into old-school deals.
Simply put, a conversation like this doesn't come cheap.

If you’re earning publishing income, make sure you’re collecting all of it. KOSIGN, powered by Kobalt, offers direct global publishing collections and real-time royalty transparency in a flexible, artist-friendly format. It’s highly selective, but free to apply here: https://bit.ly/4b438pj

Listen to the full episode here -
Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5z09vVzFlYNzibGHcwW32U?si=2FWliP1CTUue2D8JCDt60Q

Watch the Episodes On Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@managersplaybook

You can have songs moving on Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, TikTok, live shows, even vinyl and still miss the money that literally belongs to you on the songwriting side.
In this clip, Jacob breaks down Music Publishing 101 in plain English: every release has two copyrights and two royalty streams, the master recording (typically flowing through a label or distributor) and the publishing/composition (songwriting) side. Here’s the catch: publishing royalties aren’t automatic payouts. If your song registrations, splits, and metadata aren’t set up correctly, the system doesn’t warn you, you just stay unpaid.
We also clear up a major misconception in the music business: signing up with a performing rights organization (ASCAP, BMI, etc.) is a great first step, but it’s not the whole publishing picture, especially when it comes to mechanical royalties and global/international royalty collection. If you’re an independent artist, producer, songwriter, or manager trying to build real systems behind the growth, this is the clip you send your team.
Simply put, a conversation like this doesn't come cheap.

If you’re earning publishing income, make sure you’re collecting all of it.KOSIGN, powered by Kobalt, offers direct global publishing collections and real-time royalty transparency in a flexible, artist-friendly format. It’s highly selective, but free to apply here: https://bit.ly/4b438pj

Listen to the full episode here -
Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5z09vVzFlYNzibGHcwW32U?si=2FWliP1CTUue2D8JCDt60Q

Watch the Episodes On Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@managersplaybook