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David Pembroke and Ewen McKenzie preview a huge round five of the Nations Championship, with the Wallabies desperate to restore confidence after their Twickenham defeat and Scotland facing questions of their own. The boys dig into what Les Kiss might change, why the messaging out of the Australian camp matters, and whether Joseph-Aukuso Sua’ali’i could become Australia’s best impact player. There’s also a fascinating look at Eddie Jones’ approach to keeping Test weeks fresh and his view that centres are becoming more like back rowers. Beyond Scotland v Australia, they preview France v South Africa, with Antoine Dupont named at 10 alongside Maxime Lucu, and ask whether the Springboks can sustain their intensity for 80 minutes. The All Blacks ring the changes for Wales, while England face Eddie’s Japan, Ireland take on Fiji and Italy meet Argentina.

Also in this episode:

● Wallabies v Scotland: fan confidence, selection and a must-win mindset
● Eddie Jones on keeping Test preparation fresh and making rugby fun
● Centres as back rowers: how modern rugby is changing positional roles
● France v South Africa: Dupont at 10, breakdown battle and Boks bench
● All Blacks v Wales: wholesale changes and the Raeburn Shield
● England v Japan, Ireland v Fiji and Italy v Argentina: round five tips

PLUS: The Third Voice question on Sua’ali’i’s Test credentials and a look ahead to the Nations Cup fixtures.

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David Pembroke, Ewen McKenzie and Steve Hansen rip into a brutal Wallabies reality check at Twickenham, with England bringing the fizz while Australia looked underdone in effort, connection and mindset. The boys dig into what actually changes before Scotland in Edinburgh, whether Les Kiss has to swing the selection axe, and why “enthusiasm” is the one thing that shouldn’t go missing at Test level. There’s also a hard look at refereeing trends, from “off feet” penalties to confusing yellow cards that keep warping scorelines. Beyond England v Australia, they break down Ireland’s 42–12 win over Argentina and what it says about where Andy Farrell’s side sits on the curve, plus South Africa’s 66–7 demolition of an injury-hit Italy. The All Blacks’ 43–21 win over Scotland gets a deep review too, before Wales v Japan and France v Fiji.

Also in this episode:

● Why Wallabies were out-enthused by England at Twickenham
● Steve Hansen on ownership, motivation and defensive clarity
● Refereeing: off-feet calls, scrum surprises, yellow card impact
● Ireland 42 Argentina 12: “curve” debate and key positions
● South Africa 66 Italy 7: intensity, depth and mindset
● All Blacks 43 Scotland 21: emotion, bench impact, maul detail

PLUS: The Third Voice Q&A tackles Wales’ long-term revival and England v All Blacks talk.

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A tough start as David Pembroke and Steve Hansen pay tribute to Logan Cadwallader, the All Blacks’ long-serving Head of Security, after his passing in Edinburgh. Then it’s straight into a massive Nations Championship weekend: Ireland v Argentina selection calls, Italy’s injury-hit task against South Africa, and whether Scotland can finally take the Raeburn Shield off the All Blacks at Murrayfield. There’s also Wales v Japan with Eddie Jones juggling yet more injuries, France v Fiji in Lyon, and a high-stakes England v Australia clash at Twickenham. Off-field, the panel unpack what Eddie reported back from the coaches and referees meeting, including breakdown focus, tackle safety, and the deliberate knock-on shift, plus frustration at the lack of movement on TMO and 15-on-15. Ewen McKenzie and Steve Hansen also answer a listener question on what makes an elite lineout caller.

Also in this episode:

● Tribute to Logan Cadwallader and his All Blacks role
● Eddie Jones on refereeing focus: break foot and breakdown
● Nations Championship previews: Ireland v Argentina, Scotland v All Blacks
● Injury load debate: training, S&C fads, and season fatigue
● Wales v Japan, France v Fiji, and England v Australia stakes
● Listener Q&A: what makes a great lineout caller

PLUS: A bigger debate on World Rugby governance and speeding up meaningful change.

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Round four of the Nations Championship is here, and David Pembroke and Ewen McKenzie are joined by special guests Steven Kitshoff and Ben Youngs from the For the Love of Rugby podcasts! The panel digs into Ireland v Argentina (and Ireland’s structure without James Lowe), Italy’s injury-hit task against South Africa and the Rassie “chocolate wheel” of selection, plus Scotland v New Zealand in a brutal Edinburgh assignment. There’s plenty on Wales v Eddie Jones’ Japan too, including Wales’ off-field financial pressure and what it means for the players. France v unbeaten Fiji gets the spotlight under new boss Jake White (and the addition of Gert Smal), before the big one: England v Australia at Twickenham, and why this could turn the heat right up on Steve Borthwick.

Also in this episode:
● Ben Youngs on Nations Championship consequences and ladder pressure
● Ireland v Argentina: structure, 10 selection, consistency debate
● Italy injuries stack up before facing the Springboks
● Scotland v New Zealand: form lines and Edinburgh difficulty
● Wales v Eddie Jones’ Japan and Wales’ off-field turmoil
● Refereeing focus: TMO interruptions, advantage length, hip drops

PLUS: How teams balance World Cup planning, cohesion, and bleeding youth.

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The Nations Championship is one week away, so David Pembroke, Steve Hansen and Ewen McKenzie run the ruler over every squad and storyline before an enormous November. There’s concern about the format and tie-breakers, plus a big look at who’s trending up or down: can Wales survive their off-field chaos, can Italy rediscover last year’s spark, and are Ireland slipping before they climb again? England’s pressure is front and centre ahead of Australia first up, with the warning that Japan can become a nasty banana skin if teams rotate. The All Blacks are backed to win all three, but there’s a blunt chat about “inconvenient conversations” and the areas that can still bite them. South Africa’s selections scream long-game planning, while France’s second-round showdown looms large.

PLUS: WXV, Samoa’s governance mess, and a big Monday preview with Ben Youngs and Steven Kitshoff.

Also in this episode:
● Nations Championship tables, pools, and who tops them
● Steve Hansen flags format flaws and tie-break concerns
● England v Australia pressure, selections, and banana skin risks
● All Blacks injuries, Scotty Barrett impact, and lineout worries
● Springboks squad rotation as Rassie plans ahead
● WXV final round, USA v England, Black Ferns v France

PLUS: How tours, injuries and club calendars shape performance windows.

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