Cross Party Lines

Hosted by Phil Goff and Chris Finlayson, Cross Party Lines returns with an episode that moves from caucus chaos to media warfare — and lands on the most delicate diplomatic mission of the year: King Charles III heading to Washington to deal with Trump.
Thanks to our foundational partner, Frank Risk Management. The 100% Kiwi owned insurance brokerage.
In this episode:
* Luxon’s confidence vote — solved or deferred? — Christopher Luxon won his caucus vote, but Phil and Chris are divided on what it actually means. Chris thinks a line has been drawn and the malcontents should now knuckle down. Phil is less convinced: you only call a confidence vote when confidence is in doubt, the handling was untidy from start to finish.
* Don’t bash the media — and other lessons politicians never learn — Simeon Brown’s complaint against TVNZ and Luxon’s decision to pull out of his weekly Breakfast slot prompted a forensic and at times hilarious discussion about the eternal folly of politicians going to war with journalists.
* King Charles goes to Washington — What can King Charles III realistically achieve on his US visit? Phil draws on multiple personal meetings with Charles — including a 45-minute bilateral at Government House where Charles arrived fully briefed, asked exactly the right questions, and left Phil giving him ten out of ten as a diplomat. Whether he can move the dial on a man Chris describes as a three-year-old trapped in the body of an 80-year-old is another question entirely.
Sharp, wide-ranging and willing to call things exactly what they are, this episode is a reminder that in politics, the words you use in public — whether you’re a minister, a king or a coalition partner — always end up meaning more than you intended.
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Hosted by Phil Goff and Chris Finlayson, Cross Party Lines returns without Sam for the first time — and the boys don’t miss a beat. In a wide-ranging Anzac week episode, they move from wartime gallantry to National Party treachery, and from All Blacks in Parliament to the politics of immigration dog-whistling. All thanks to our foundational partner Frank Risk Management, the 100% kiwi owned insurance brokerage.
In this episode:
* Haane Manahi and the Victoria Cross that never was — Phil opens with a moving account of an event he attended in Rotorua the night before recording: a film celebration of Sergeant Haane Manahi, who was recommended for a Victoria Cross by Field Marshal Montgomery himself — only for the British War Office to scratch it out and replace it with a lesser medal.
* National’s leadership crisis — five rebels, or twenty-five? — With the National Party caucus meeting looming and the media in full speculation mode, Phil and Chris take forensic stock of where things stand. Chris is blunt: changing a leader in April of election year is lunacy, the five alleged plotters are losers, and Luxon deserves more sympathy than he gets for inheriting a poisoned chalice with no apprenticeship.
* All Blacks in Parliament and the Taine Randall question — New Zealand First has selected former All Black captain Taine Randall to stand in Tukituki, prompting a tour through the graveyard of sporting superstars who have tried and failed at politics — from David Kirk to Chris Laidlaw to Graham Thorne. Phil and Chris are unconvinced the profile will translate. But the deeper question is what policies Taine is actually signed up to — including New Zealand First’s rhetoric on immigration.
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Hosted by Phil Goff and Chris Finlayson with Sam Collins, Cross Party Lines marks a milestone this week — Sam Collins signs off as moderator after announcing he is standing as the Labour candidate for North Shore. Thanks to our foundational partner, Frank Risk Management.
In this episode:
* James Christmas and the Tāmaki question — The panel turns to Tāmaki, where James Christmas — described by Chris as the smartest person he ever worked with — has defected from National to ACT, setting up one of the most intriguing three-way candidate contests of the election. Phil asks the uncomfortable question: what does it say about the National Party when talent walks out the door?
* Judge Aiken — The Judicial Conduct Panel found Judge Emma Aiken in serious breach of comity for calling out a false statement she overheard at the Northern Club — but stopped short of recommending her removal. Phil and Chris broadly agree the panel got it right on both counts.
* Orbán, the Pope and Trump — Three international stories dominate the second half. First, the stunning scale of Hungary’s election result — Fidesz reduced to 55 seats, the new centre-right government holding a two-thirds majority despite active interference from both Trump and Putin. Second, Pope Leo XIV’s sharp Easter address — “enough of the idolatry of self and money, enough of war”. Finally, the Iran peace talks in Islamabad: 20 hours of negotiations, Iranian framing throughout, and a Trump administration that has now openly floated threats Phil and Chris both read as implying nuclear weapons. Neither is laughing it off.
Cross Party Lines exists to lift political literacy and create space for calm, good-faith political conversation. New episodes every Tuesday. If you value thoughtful debate, follow the podcast and share it with someone who might too.
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Hosted by Phil Goff and Chris Finlayson with Sam Collins, Cross Party Lines takes a break from the weekly news cycle for an Easter special — handing the microphone to listeners for a wide-ranging Q&A that covers cabinet reshuffles, grand coalitions, MMP thresholds, polarisation and Rocket Lab’s military contracts. Thanks to our foundational partner, Frank Risk Management, the 100% kiwi owned insurance brokerage.
In this episode, the panel tackles questions straight from the audience:
* The Bishop demotion — revenge or rationale? — Listeners wanted to know why Chris Bishop’s reshuffle was read as a punishment. Phil and Chris unpick the moves with forensic clarity: stripping Bishop of the campaign chair role he was demonstrably excellent at, while loading an already stretched Simeon Brown with energy on top of health, suggests this was less about capability and more about Luxon settling scores from last November’s leadership whispers.
* Should New Zealand ever have a grand coalition? — A listener question about Labour and National governing together draws on history from the 1930s wartime cabinet to Germany’s social democrats today.
* Could New Zealand join the EU? Has free trade failed us? And what about Rocket Lab? — A listener floats New Zealand joining the EU; Phil and Chris explore what closer alignment with middle powers might look like instead. On the closure of Wattie’s and McCain’s plants, they examine whether free trade has delivered for regional New Zealand or left it exposed. And on Rocket Lab’s military contracts, Chris invokes Yes Minister’s The Moral Dimension — genuinely uncertain whether Sir Humphrey or the Minister had the better of the argument.
This Easter special is a reminder that the best political conversation doesn’t need a news hook — just good questions and two people who’ve seen enough to know the difference between what politicians say and what they actually mean.
Cross Party Lines exists to lift political literacy and create space for calm, good-faith political conversation. New episodes every Tuesday. If you value thoughtful debate, follow the podcast and share it with someone who might too.
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Hosted by Phil Goff and Chris Finlayson with Sam Collins, Cross Party Lines returns with an episode that moves from the murky obligations of a joint statement to the foundations of democracy itself — and finishes with a close read of the parliamentary chessboard ahead of the election. Made possible by Frank Risk Management, the 100% Kiwi owned insurance brokerage.
In this episode:
* The Strait of Hormuz statement — commitment or blank cheque? — New Zealand joined 29 other countries in signing a joint statement condemning Iranian interference with commercial shipping and pledging readiness to contribute to “appropriate efforts” for safe passage. Phil breaks down why that language matters — and why signing up to condemn Iran while staying silent on the US and Israeli actions that triggered the conflict is both inconsistent and potentially compromising. Chris is equally wary of feel-good multilateral statements that could quietly obligate New Zealand to put naval assets in harm’s way. Both welcome Labour’s new Foreign Affairs spokesperson Vanushi Walters, who earned strong marks from Phil for her composed, principled debut — and a predictable spray from Winston Peters, which they take as something of a compliment.
* Democratic resilience — what’s actually at stake — Phil and Chris both spoke at a cross-party Democratic Resilience and Transparency Forum in Parliament last week, and this episode is the debrief. Chris makes the case for an independent Parliamentary Budget Office, a reformed Official Information Act with real teeth, a Commissioner for the Future, and — most controversially — an age limit of 70 for Members of Parliament. Phil went broader: surveys showing 20-25% of Western citizens now prefer a strong unencumbered leader over democracy. Both agree: liberal democracy cannot be taken for granted, and the lessons of history that their parents’ generation paid for in blood are being forgotten.
* The fuel crisis response, Think Big’s ghost and the Tāmaki wildcard — As petrol heads toward $3.70 a litre, the panel looks at whether New Zealand’s policy response measures up. Phil points to Victoria and Tasmania offering free public transport for a month as a smarter and fairer intervention than the government’s $50-a-week payment to 140,000 selected households. Chris — now a committed airport bus evangelist — wonders aloud whether Muldoon’s Think Big programme wasn’t entirely without merit, prompting a firm but good-humoured rebuttal from Phil. And the episode closes with a forensic look at Brooke Van Velden’s surprise exit from Tāmaki, what it means for ACT, and why the seat could become one of the most interesting contests of the 2026 election.
Principled, historically rich and genuinely cross-partisan, this episode is a reminder that the health of democracy — like the price of petrol — is everyone’s problem, not just the government’s.
Cross Party Lines exists to lift political literacy and create space for calm, good-faith political conversation. New episodes every Tuesday. If you value thoughtful debate, follow the podcast and share it with someone who might too.
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