Neuroshambles

The issue of how to navigate sleep with our neurodivergent kids is one of the most requested topics on Neuroshambles, so Mark brought in someone who actually knows what she's talking about. This episode tackles the question that haunts pretty much every household raising neurodivergent kids: how do you get them to sleep, keep them asleep, and stop them waking up at some ungodly hour demanding an apple?

Mark is joined by Michelle Cyril, a children's nurse and fully qualified paediatric sleep consultant who specialises in supporting families of autistic, ADHD and PDA kids. She's also a parent of neurodivergent twins herself, so this isn't advice from someone lecturing from a textbook - it's advice from someone who's been on the sharp end of three-hour bedtime battles too.

Mark and Michelle break bedtime down into its component parts of chaos: the bedtime routine itself, actually getting to sleep, staying asleep through the night, and waking up - wether that’s ludicrously early, or begrudgingly late. They cover why traditional sleep advice is largely useless for neurodivergent kids, how PDA turns bedtime into a demand minefield, and dive into the knotty issue of melatonin. Anyone wondering whether melatonin is safe, why GPs are so reluctant to prescribe it, or why their kid can't seem to switch their brain off at night will find answers here.

Whether it's a PDA profile, an ADHD brain that won't switch off, or a kid who just runs unnervingly hot in bed, there's something in this episode for most Neuroshamblers.

 

CHAPTER TIMESTAMPS (Estimated)

00:01:48 - Meet the Guest: Michelle Cyril
00:04:00 - Topic of the Week: Why Sleep Is Such a Battle
00:13:39 - The Traditional Sleep Advice That Just Doesn't Work
00:16:13 - Making Bedtime Routines Fun Instead of Boring
00:26:35 - PDA, Demand Avoidance and Bedtime
00:34:06 - Getting to Sleep: Busy Brains and Familiar Stories
00:45:11 - The Melatonin Debate
00:58:39 - Staying Asleep: Night Waking and Anxiety
01:10:46 - The Early Morning Wake-Up Struggle
01:17:23 - The Impact of Poor Sleep on Parents
01:23:02 - Sleep Deprivation and Its Ripple Effects
01:26:44 - Finding the Silver Linings
01:28:39 - Neurodiversity Champions
01:31:48 - Tiny Epic Wins
01:35:58 - What the Flip?

 

LINKS TO STUFF WE MENTION IN THIS EPISODE

Neuroshambles mailing list sign-up (with free PDF of What the Flip moments) - https://preview.mailerlite.io/forms/2414072/190019322933937234/share

Michelle Cyril, Family Sleep Specialist - https://familysleepspecialist.co.uk/

Busy Brains at Bedtime (Michelle's free download) - https://familysleepspecialist.co.uk/busy-brains-guide/

Greeking Out (National Geographic podcast) - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/podcasts/greeking-out/

Michael Gradisar - https://winksleep.online/about-michael-gradisar

Confusional Arousals - https://www.sleepfoundation.org/parasomnias/confusional-arousal

Neuro Embrace, Madeleine Woolgar - https://www.neuro-embrace.com

ARFID Life UK - https://www.facebook.com/p/ARFID-Life-UK-61569140673395/

 

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Part two of our deep dive into EBSA for neurodivergent children is essential listening for anyone navigating the school avoidance minefield as a parent or carer of a neurodivergent child - whether they are autistic, ADHD, PDA profile, or any combination of the above.

Heidi Mavir returns to offer her advice as someone who has lived every corner of this experience - not only in her own life, but also through her advocacy work with thousands of families affected by barriers to attendance. In this episode, we dig into the real-world impact - the emotional, financial and logistical strain it places on families.

We also look at practical things parents can actually do if their child is experiencing barriers to attendance - from how absences should be coded at school, to what the Children's Wellbeing Bill means for home education rights, to when a part-time timetable might help and when it's just a sticking plaster.

If you're wrestling with EBSA daily and you’re looking for advice that's rooted in lived experience, this is the episode for you.

 

CHAPTER TIMESTAMPS (ESTIMATED)

00:01:28 - Meet The Guest
00:03:25 - Topic of the Week: Barriers to Attendance Part 2
00:03:59 - Parental Blame and Being Doubted by School Professionals
00:09:32 - Attendance Targets, Fines, and Rewarding Full Attendance
00:13:23 - "Make Home Less Appealing" and Other Unhelpful Advice
00:17:49 - Why Exposure Therapy Doesn't Work for EBSA
00:21:35 - The Emotional, Financial and Relational Impact on Parents
00:35:34 - What You Can Actually Do: Practical Advice for Families
00:53:15 - Home Education, Deregistering and the Children's Wellbeing Bill
01:11:46 - EOTAS and When School Just Isn't the Right Shape
01:15:07 - It's Not All Rubbish: Specialist Settings and What Works
01:20:05 - Neurodiversity Champions
01:25:19 - Tiny Epic Wins
01:31:10 - What the Flip!

LINKS TO STUFF WE MENTION IN THIS EPISODE

Neuroshambles mailing list sign-up (with free PDF of all What the Flip moments from all 59 episodes) - https://preview.mailerlite.io/forms/2414072/190019322933937234/share

Your Child Is Not Broken book, Heidi Mavir - https://www.heidimavir.com/i-wrote-a-book

Your Child Is Not Broken free Facebook community - https://www.facebook.com/groups/eotasmatters

Heidi Mavir: The Marble run - https://www.heidimavir.com/the-marble-run

Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Act - https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3909

Section 19 of Children and Families Act - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/6/section/19

EOTAS, EOTIS, EOTISC - https://www.ipsea.org.uk/home-education-and-education-otherwise

Not Fine in School - https://www.notfineinschool.co.uk

Define Fine - https://www.definefine.org.uk/

SEND Advocacy Limited (Alice) - https://www.sendadvocacy.com/

Audhdacious Humans - https://www.audhdacious.com/

Make and Create Club - https://www.audhdacious.com/make-and-create/club/

Eliza Fricker and "Can't Not Won't" - https://amzn.eu/d/0bMMrrwa

 

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If you are a parent or carer of a neurodivergent child, the chances are that school attendance has been a topic that has kept you awake at night. Whether you know it as school refusal, emotionally based school avoidance, or one of a dozen other terms, it is one of the most stressful and isolating things a family can go through.

As a neurodivergent parenting podcast, Neuroshambles has been asked about this topic more than almost any other, so this week’s guest is one of the best in the business. Heidi Mavir is a best-selling author, public speaker, late-identified autistic and ADHD adult, and one of the most knowledgeable and tireless advocates for SEND families in the UK. Her own journey with her son Theo, who went from full school attendance to none at all in the space of a few months at the age of fourteen, gives her both the lived experience and the hard-won expertise to talk about this topic like very few others can.

This is Part 1 of a two-part episode, so here we focus on what barriers to attendance actually looks like in neurodivergent children and young people - from the terminology chaos to the sensory nightmare of school environments, the morning meltdowns, the masking, the after-school explosions, the physical symptoms, and ultimately what can happen when it all builds up into burnout. Part 2 will focus on the family impact and what you can actually do about it.

If you are a parent trying to make sense of what is happening with your child and school, this one is for you.

 

CHAPTER TIMESTAMPS (ESTIMATED)

00:01:37 - Meet the Guest - Heidi Mavir

00:05:08 - What is EBSA? Unpacking the Terminology

00:19:01 - Why School is a Sensory and Emotional Minefield

00:30:40 - The PDA Dimension - Demand Avoidance in School

00:35:27 - Early Signs of Barriers to Attendance

00:42:00 - Fight, Flight, Freeze, Fawn and Flop - Polyvagal Theory

00:45:33 - After-School Meltdowns and the Masking Behind Them

00:52:19 - Physical Symptoms - When the Body Tells the Story

00:57:01 - What Changes Outside of School?

01:03:41 - How Barriers to Attendance Build Up Gradually Over Time

01:07:42 - Autistic Burnout - When It All Catches Up

01:17:22 - Neurodiversity Champions

01:20:13 - Tiny Epic Wins

01:23:04 - What the Flip?

 

LINKS TO STUFF WE MENTION IN THIS EPISODE

Your Child Is Not Broken by Heidi Mavir - https://www.heidimavir.com/i-wrote-a-book

EOTAS Matters - https://www.heidimavir.com/forfamilies

PDA Society: School Distress - https://www.pdasociety.org.uk/what-helps-guides/pda-and-emotionally-based-school-avoidance-ebsa/

Kieran Rose: School Induced Trauma - https://theautisticadvocate.com/school-refusal-or-school-induced-trauma-rethinking-ebsa-ebsna-and-the-harm-we-call-help/

Audhdacious Humans - https://www.audhdacious.com/

Polyvagal Theory - https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/whatispolyvagaltheory

Scouts UK - https://www.scouts.org.uk/

Heidi Mavir/Rachel Filmer webinar on SEND Reform Proposals - https://eotasmatters.kartra.com/page/WhitePaperWebinar

Black SEN Mamas - https://blacksenmamas.com/

Rachel Filmer - https://www.instagram.com/sendra.uk/

Not Fine in School - https://www.notfineinschool.co.uk

Square Peg - https://www.teamsquarepeg.co.uk/

Define Fine - https://www.definefine.org.uk/

 

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🌐 Website: www.neuroshambles.com

📧 Email: hello@neuroshambles.com

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🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@neuroshamblespod

📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Neuroshambles/

 

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This week we're back with part two of a candid, deep dive into screen time. Last time we covered all the good stuff - the regulation, the social connection, the sense of mastery. This time, we're braving the darker side of the coin.

Mark is joined again by Hannah, mum to nine-year-old Henry (autistic, ADHD, PDA profile) and six-year-old Thea (suspected neurotypical). Together they work through the thornier aspects of neurodivergent parenting and screen time - addiction, in-game spending, safeguarding and parental controls. They also take an honest look at crushing guilt and the shame that often lies underneath it, as well as how to handle transitions off screens without descending into full-scale conflict.

For anyone trying to navigate neurodivergency parenting without a rulebook, this episode won't give you all the answers, but it will make you feel considerably less alone.

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CHAPTER TIMESTAMPS (ESTIMATED)

00:01:10 - Meet the Guest

00:02:34 - This Week's Topic: Screen Time - The Difficult Bits

00:03:48 - Screen Addiction, ADHD and the Dopamine Loop

00:16:12 - Managing Screen Time: Swapping One Dopamine Hit for Another

00:21:57 - In-Game Spending, Roblox and Robux

00:29:16 - Safeguarding and Online Safety

00:34:10 - Parental Controls: A Full-Time Job

00:46:52 - Are Screens Putting Our Kids Off Other Kinds of Play?

00:50:39 - Using Screens as a Tool for Transitions and Outings

00:56:38 - Getting Them Off Screens: Transition Strategies That (Sometimes) Work

01:01:45 - Parental Guilt, Shame and Societal Judgement

01:12:46 - It's Not All Rubbish

01:15:12 - Neurodiversity Champions

01:21:43 - Tiny Epic Wins

01:25:48 - What the Flip Moments

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LINKS TO STUFF WE MENTION IN THIS EPISODE

Neuroshambles Live, Brighton (23rd July 2026) - www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/1988682312330/?discount=Neuroshamblers

Alternatively, search "Neuroshambles Live" on https://www.eventbrite.co.uk and use the access code “Neuroshamblers” for the discounted rate of £8 throughout May. After that, tickets go on general sale for £10.

Screen time: Part 1 episode - https://neuroshambles.com/episode/screen-time-part-1-the-benefits-for-neurodivergent-kids-hannah-woods

ADHD and dopamine - https://www.additudemag.com/brain-stimulation-and-adhd-cravings-dependency-and-regulation/

Roblox - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roblox

Grow a garden - https://growa-garden.io/

Apple parental controls - https://support.apple.com/en-gb/105121

Google parental controls - https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/15077835?hl=en

Microsoft parental controls - https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/microsoft-365/family-safety

Crunchyroll - https://www.crunchyroll.com/

Tech Smart Parenting book by Catherine Knibbs - https://amzn.eu/d/0iqIy0cv

Holidays Episode of Neuroshambles - https://neuroshambles.com/episode/holidays-dr-hildi-mitchell

Cards against humanity - https://amzn.eu/d/08Dn7YIt

Smartphone Free Childhood - https://www.smartphonefreechildhood.org/

Spectrum Squad Penarth - https://www.facebook.com/groups/2039735040102766/

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📣 CONTACT US

🌐 Website: www.neuroshambles.com

📧 Email: hello@neuroshambles.com

📸 Instagram: @neuroshambles

🎵 TikTok: @neuroshamblespod

📘 Facebook: Neuroshambles

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Description

If you're a parent of a neurodivergent child and you've ever felt quietly judged for your approach to screen time, this episode of Neuroshambles is for you. Mark is joined by Hannah Woods - one of the founders of the Spectrum Squad, a neurodivergent youth group in Penarth, South Wales - to tackle one of the most requested topics the show has ever had: managing screen time with our neurodivergent kids.

This is part one of a two-part deep dive of a particularly knotty topic, and it's entirely focused on the positives of screen time. Because if you're navigating autism parenting, ADHD parenting, or PDA parenting, you'll know that screens aren't just a lazy shortcut - they can be a genuine lifeline. Whether it's helping your child regulate, learn and connect with peers, or just giving you ten minutes of respite to gather your energy, screen time is doing some heavy lifting in a lot of neurodivergent households.

This is an honest, relatable conversation about the gap between the parents we thought we'd be and the parents our kids actually need us to be. Part 2, covering the potential downsides of screen time, is coming in the next episode. But for now, let's hear the case for the defence.

 

Chapter Timestamps

00:00 - Introduction and Neuroshambles Live Announcement

02:56 - Meet the Guest: Hannah Woods

08:10 - Topic Introduction: Screen Time with Neurodivergent Kids

10:00 - How We Thought We'd Parent Around Screens (Before We Met Our Kids)

14:29 - The Stigma Around Screen Time

15:23 - Screen Time Limits, NHS Guidance and Why It Doesn't Apply to Our Kids

18:17 - Dr Naomi Fisher: It's Not the Screen, It's What's Behind It

21:59 - Screens for Regulation - Meltdowns, Overwhelm and India's Wardrobe Nook

29:29 - Special Interests, Hyperfocus and Letting Them Go Deep

39:17 - Online Connection, Belonging and the Social Value of Multiplayer Gaming

42:39 - Building Friendships Through Minecraft and Shared Play

50:04 - Sharing Content as a Love Language (YouTube Clips Count)

55:16 - Watching Online as a Gateway to Special Interests

57:40 - Screens as a Learning Tool - Laptops, Writing and Demand Avoidance

01:01:08 - Reading Apps and How They Changed Everything

01:03:20 - Self-Esteem, Gaming and Finding Your Thing

01:04:53 - Screens as a Social Bridge

01:07:44 - From 3D Printing to School Fair Entrepreneur

01:09:52 - The Parental Sanity Argument (Yes, It Counts)

01:13:16 - Screens for Sleep and Winding Down

01:15:20 - Neurodiversity Champions

01:18:22 - Tiny Epic Wins

01:22:09 - What the Flip Moments

 

Links to Stuff We Mention in This Episode

Neuroshambles Live, Brighton (23rd July 2026) - www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/1988682312330/?discount=Neuroshamblers

Alternatively, search "Neuroshambles Live" on https://www.eventbrite.co.uk and use the access code “Neuroshamblers” for the discounted rate of £8 throughout May. After that, tickets go on general sale for £10.

The Family Experience of PDA by Eliza Fricker - https://amzn.eu/d/02qGPcjD

Dr Naomi Fisher article on screens - https://naomifisher.co.uk/tags/screens/

Bluey - https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m000vbrk/bluey

Gravity Falls - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Falls

How To Break Up With Your Phone - https://amzn.eu/d/04PSfLq9

Roblox - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roblox

JusTalk Kids - https://kids.justalk.com/

MindJam - https://mindjam.org.uk/

Super Mario Odyssey - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Odyssey

Audible storybooks - https://www.audible.co.uk/

Calm app - https://www.calm.com/

Greeking Out (National Geographic podcast) - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/podcasts/greeking-out/

Have Fun, Get Fit (South Wales) - https://www.facebook.com/HaveFunGetFitRossParsons/

Neurospicy Wings (South Wales) - https://www.neurospicywings.co.uk/

 

📣 CONTACT US

🌐 Website: www.neuroshambles.com

📧 Email: hello@neuroshambles.com

📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/neuroshambles/

🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@neuroshamblespod

📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Neuroshambles

 

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