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    Falling 35 Feet Free Soloing, Hiking the CT in 15 Days, and What It Means to Be Navajo in America with Jeremy "Smitty" Phoenix (BPR #363)

    29/06/2026 | 3h 28 mins.
    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are joined by Jeremy Phoenix aka Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen, aka Javos, a Navajo-born, Amish-country-raised, REI-employed, grave-digging, Princeton-attending thru-hiker who completed the Colorado Trail in 15 days on his first ever backpacking trip and has been making up for lost time ever since. 
    In this one, Smitty walks us through completing the 24-hour challenge three separate times on the PCT, a free solo fall from 35 feet- that he just kind of walked off, getting stalked by a mountain lion, surviving shin splints for almost the full PCT, and a harrowing midnight ice traverse below Mount Whitney with no traction. He also shares what it means to be Navajo in America, including having code talker grandparents and introducing himself to the land before every new section of trail. 
    We wrap the show with a tribute to longtime Patreon supporter Bill Jensen, who recently passed away on the CDT, the biggest thru-hiking preparation mistake- according to Peg Leg, addressing the question of which direction people predominantly face in the shower, and the triple crown of things you can easily live without but nonetheless should be free for everyone.
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    [divider]
    Interview with Jeremy Barney aka Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen
    Jeremy's Instagram
    Jeremy's Youtube
    Time stamps & Questions
    00:06:30 - Reminders: Sign up for the Trek's newsletter, subscribe to Trail Correspondents, and  listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon!
    00:09:18 - Introducing Smitty
    00:10:34 - Tell us about the 24 hour challenges you've done on the PCT
    00:13:00 - How did you get your trail name?
    00:16:25 - Tell us about the commercial you did with Alex Hannold
    00:22:30 - Tell us about working at REI
    00:29:50 - Tell us about growing up Navajo in Pennsylvania
    00:35:30 - How did you get started with backpacking?
    00:39:00 - Discussion about Smitty's climbing experience and falls
    00:42:50 - What is your bucket list of jobs?
    00:50:50 - Discussion about Smitty's job as a gravedigger
    00:54:15 - How did you decide to hike the Colorado Trail?
    01:03:00 - Tell us about the backpacks you've tried
    01:08:35 - Discussion about what Smitty sent home from the PCT
    01:15:00 - What other gear compromises did you have to make when switching packs?
    01:28:55 - What kind of discounts do you get at REI?
    01:34:50 - Tell us about meeting Jabba
    01:39:00 - Discussion about footwear and injuries
    01:41:30 - What was your scariest day on trail?
    01:51:40 - Do you have any advice for aspiring thru-hikers?
    01:58:00 - Stay Salty Question: What's your hottest take in the world of backpacking?
    Segments
    Tribute to Bill Jensen
    Trek Propaganda: After 22,000 Miles of Thru-Hiking, This Is One of the Biggest Mistakes I See Beginners Make by Peg Leg
    QOTD: Do people face the shower head when they shower?
    Triple Crown of things you can easily live without, but nonetheless should be free for everyone
    Mail Bag
    5 Star Review
    [divider]
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    Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
    A super big thank you to our Bob Peoples Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Bill Jensen, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Bret Mullins aka Cruizy, Bryan Alsop, Carl Lobstah Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Clint Sitler, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Ethan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Jackson Storm, JaredNotFromSubway, Jason Kiser, Jason "The Snail" Snailer, Luke Netjes, Matty in AZ, Patrick Cianciolo, Randy Sutherland, Rebecca Brave, Rural Juror, Sawyer Products, The Saint Louis Shaman, Timothy Hahn, Tracy 'Trigger' Fawns
    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, Dakota J, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Denise Krekeler, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Lloyd Harris, Merle Watkins, Peter, Quenten Jones, Ruth S, Salt Stain, Sloan Alberhasky, and Tyler Powers.
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    Tiger Facts, End of the Timberline Lodge Breakfast Buffet, and Poop, Pees, and Peen Talk

    25/06/2026 | 1h 16 mins.
    Segments
    Tiger Facts
    Trek Propaganda: Timberline Lodge Ends Breakfast Buffet Popular With Generations of PCT Hikers by James Townsend
    QOTD: Do poop pees count as full pees?
    Sun Hoodie Review: Fjällräven Abisko Wool Hoodie
    Triple Crown of words for penis
    Mail Bag
    5 Star Review
    [divider]
    Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/ and his coffee.
    Sign up for the Trek's newsletter
    Leave us a voicemail!
    Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play.
    Support us on Patreon to get bonus content.
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    Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
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    Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
    A super big thank you to our Bob Peoples Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Bill Jensen, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Bret Mullins aka Cruizy, Bryan Alsop, Carl Lobstah Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Clint Sitler, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Ethan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Jackson Storm, JaredNotFromSubway, Jason Kiser, Jason "The Snail" Snailer, Luke Netjes, Matty in AZ, Patrick Cianciolo, Randy Sutherland, Rebecca Brave, Rural Juror, Sawyer Products, The Saint Louis Shaman, Timothy Hahn, Tracy 'Trigger' Fawns
    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, Dakota J, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Denise Krekeler, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Lloyd Harris, Merle Watkins, Peter, Quenten Jones, Ruth S, Salt Stain, Sloan Alberhasky, and Tyler Powers.
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    Stalked by a Mountain Lion, a 25-Foot Fall in the Sierra, and Canoeing 2,400 Miles Down the Mississippi with Matthew "Masochist" Hengst (BPR #362)

    22/06/2026 | 3h 27 mins.
    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Topo Athletic, we are joined by Matthew Hengst, aka Masochist, an IT-professional-turned-full-time-adventurer who over the past eight-plus years has racked up 20,000 miles hiked, nearly 3,000 miles paddled, 2.5 million feet of elevation climbed, and somewhere north of 300 diving sessions across multiple continents. 
    Masochist walks us through canoeing 2,400 miles down the Mississippi, the time he fell 25 feet in a remote part of the Sierra and laid there for 15 hours waiting for a helicopter, catching COVID and norovirus back to back at 12,000 feet on the CDT, navigating stealth camping across rural America, terrifying encounters with dogs, and his favorite parts of the Eastern Continental Trail. Matthew also makes a strong case for why the Florida Trail and the Condor Trail are two of the most underrated long trails, and explains why he has no plans to stop adventuring anytime soon.
    We wrap the show with the devastating news that Timberline Lodge has ended its breakfast buffet, debating whether poop pees count as full pees, a sun hoodie review on a product that's maybe not a sun hoodie, the triple crown of words for penis (with Chaunce publicly soliciting micropenis photos), and the best way to move legos across the country.
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    [divider]
    Interview with Matthew "Masochist" Hengst
    Matthew's Youtube
    Matthew's Instagram
    Matthew's Website
    Time stamps & Questions
    00:05:45 - Reminders: Apply to vlog or blog for the Trek, subscribe to The Trek's Youtube, join us for Chaunce's live podcast sendoff, and listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon!
    00:11:15 - Introducing Masochist
    00:13:10 - Tell us about your life prior to backpacking
    00:19:00 - Tell us about your spreadsheets
    00:23:14 - Did you grow up in the outdoors?
    00:24:40 - Tell us about your relationship
    00:30:00 - Tell us about your major injuries
    00:36:32 - What's the closest you've ever been to death?
    00:38:45 - How do you describe yourself?
    00:40:00 - What adventure have you done that gets people the most excited?
    00:42:00 - Discussion about paddling the Mississippi River
    00:48:20 - What's the elevator pitch on floating the Mississippi River?
    00:53:30 - How do you decide what your next trip should be?
    00:55:30 - Tell us about the Theodore Solomons Trail
    00:59:00 - What's the Desert Trail Border?
    01:00:50 - Tell us about the Condor Trail
    01:03:00 - What are your tips for stealth camping?
    01:06:40 - Did Florida put a bad taste in your mouth when starting the ECT?
    01:11:20 - Discussion about bad water in eastern Colorado
    01:15:20 - Is there more to why you liked the Florida Trail?
    01:18:55 - Tell us about the ECT after Katahdin
    01:26:00 - Discussion about dog attacks while thru-hiking
    01:30:30 - Why'd you hike the Lone Star Trail?
    01:34:25 - Are there any underrated trails you're excited about?
    01:37:30 - What are some singletrack loops in California?
    01:42:20 - What's your elevator pitch on the San Diego Trans County Trail?
    01:44:20 - Did the CDT feel easy?
    01:48:00 - What are your go to animal encounter stories?
    01:55:20 - Tell us about hiking through extreme weather
    01:56:30 - How do you maintain the fun element through all of your hikes?
    02:02:40 - Give us your highlights and lowlights from the American Discovery Trail
    02:10:50 - Tell us about your health issues in 2025
    02:15:55 - Do you ever take time off trail to recover and rest?
    02:20:30 - How did you pick the Australian trails you've done this year?
    02:28:00 - Have you ever considered bikepacking?
    02:29:30 - Peak Performance Question: What is your top performance-enhancing or backpacking hack?
    Segments
    Trek Propaganda: Timberline Lodge Ends Breakfast Buffet Popular With Generations of PCT Hikers by James Townsend
    QOTD: Do poop pees count as full pees?
    Sun Hoodie Review: Fjällräven Abisko Wool Hoodie
    Triple Crown of words for penis
    Mail Bag
    5 Star Review
    [divider]
    Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/ and his coffee.
    Sign up for the Trek's newsletter
    Leave us a voicemail!
    Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play.
    Support us on Patreon to get bonus content.
    Advertise on Backpacker Radio
    Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram.
    Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
    Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. 
    Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
    A super big thank you to our Bob Peoples Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Bill Jensen, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Bret Mullins aka Cruizy, Bryan Alsop, Carl Lobstah Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Clint Sitler, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Ethan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Jackson Storm, JaredNotFromSubway, Jason Kiser, Jason "The Snail" Snailer, Luke Netjes, Matty in AZ, Patrick Cianciolo, Randy Sutherland, Rebecca Brave, Rural Juror, Sawyer Products, The Saint Louis Shaman, Timothy Hahn, Tracy 'Trigger' Fawns
    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, Dakota J, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Denise Krekeler, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Lloyd Harris, Merle Watkins, Peter, Quenten Jones, Ruth S, Salt Stain, Sloan Alberhasky, and Tyler Powers.
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    Lyme Disease Research Update, Raccoon vs. Goose, the Triple Crown of Girly Gear, and 2026 Hiking Gear Trends

    18/06/2026 | 40 mins.
    Segments
    Lyme Disease Update
    Trek Propaganda: 2026 Hiking Gear Trends, And Whether I Think They're Actually Worth It by Livvy Weld
    QOTD: Would you rather have one raccoon know all your secrets and occasionally hint at them or one goose publicly overreact to everything you do?
    Stupid Thing of the Week
    Triple Crown of gear you can find that's girly
    Mail Bag
    5 Star Review
    [divider]
    Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/ and his coffee.
    Sign up for the Trek's newsletter
    Leave us a voicemail!
    Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play.
    Support us on Patreon to get bonus content.
    Advertise on Backpacker Radio
    Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram.
    Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
    Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. 
    Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
    A super big thank you to our Bob Peoples Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Bill Jensen, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Bret Mullins aka Cruizy, Bryan Alsop, Carl Lobstah Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Clint Sitler, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Ethan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Jackson Storm, JaredNotFromSubway, Jason Kiser, Jason "The Snail" Snailer, Luke Netjes, Matty in AZ, Patrick Cianciolo, Randy Sutherland, Rebecca Brave, Rural Juror, Sawyer Products, The Saint Louis Shaman, Timothy Hahn, Tracy 'Trigger' Fawns
    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, Dakota J, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Denise Krekeler, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Lloyd Harris, Merle Watkins, Peter, Quenten Jones, Ruth S, Salt Stain, Sloan Alberhasky, and Tyler Powers.
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    Walking the Portuguese Camino with Her Parents to Honor Her Late Brother with Elise "Sauce" Ott (BPR #361)

    15/06/2026 | 3h 1 mins.
    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are joined by our pal Elise Ott, aka Sauce, who gives us a play by play of her recent hike on Portuguese Camino coastal route along with her parents.
    SOS walks us through doing the Camino as a tribute to her late brother Curtis, who passed away in February of 2025 after years of living with schizoaffective disorder. She shares his story with honesty and humor, including the time he stole a county parks truck in a three-piece suit, drove it across state lines, and complimented the cop who tackled him, and gets into what it's like to love someone whose illness made them impossible to help, why she doesn't know exactly how he died, and what it meant to scatter his ashes along the coast of Portugal with her parents.
    Elise also shares what the Portuguese Camino coastal route is actually like, the food situation (and why it was mas o menos), how it was to hike the trail through a  tour operator, navigating language barriers with limited Spanish, and what it's like to hike 13 days with your parents and come out closer on the other side. 
    We wrap the show with 2026 hiking trends and whether they're actually worth it, debating the classic debate of raccoon-who-knows-your-secrets versus the goose-who-overreacts-to-everything, the triple crown of girly gear, I am very dumb and pulled my hamstring, and we cover a mailbag about wearing contacts on trail.
    Warning: this episode contains candid discussion of mental illness, substance abuse, family trauma, and the death of a loved one.
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    [divider]
    Interview with Elise "SOS" Ott
    Elise's Instagram
    Elise's Website
    Elise's Youtube
    Time stamps & Questions
    00:05:35 - Reminders: Join us for Chaunce's live podcast sendoff, submit your favorite Chaunce moments or a voicemail for Chaunce, calling all CDT hikers - suggest yourself as a guest, sign up for the Trek's newsletter, and listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon!
    00:12:30 - Introducing Elise
    00:14:00 - What does a running coach do?
    00:19:01 - How do you handle the social pressure of running on Strava?
    00:23:09 - How did you end up choosing the Portuguese Camino Coastal Route?
    00:26:06 - What are the daily miles, pace, and logistics like on the Camino?
    00:29:04 - What was the food like in Portugal and Spain?
    00:35:05 - What was the cost of using a tour service, and was it worth it?
    00:38:59 - What are the highlights of the towns along the route?
    00:45:00 - Discussion about Curtis and the reason for the hike
    00:46:18 - What is schizoaffective disorder, and how did Curtis's illness develop?
    00:55:51 - What's the story of Curtis stealing the county truck in a three-piece suit?
    01:03:10 - Were rehab stints ever helpful for Curtis?
    01:18:39 - What was it like fearing for your parents' safety?
    01:28:35 - How are your parents doing, and was the hike a positive grieving exercise?
    01:32:13 - What do you know about how Curtis died?
    01:41:12 - What advice do you have for people loving someone with severe mental illness?
    01:45:15 - What were the highlights and best moments of the Camino?
    01:46:53 - How did you navigate language barriers in Portugal and Spain?
    01:48:24 - What are the funniest parent quirks you discovered on the hike?
    01:57:03 - What gear do you recommend for the Camino?
    02:07:15 - What was the funniest thing that happened on the trail?
    02:10:01 - What is it like managing sleep apnea with a CPAP while backpacking?
    02:23:04 - What are your top recovery tips for ultrarunning?
    02:27:54 - Discussion about 2026 hiking trends: sleeping pad inflators and Alpha Direct
    Segments
    Trek Propaganda: 2026 Hiking Gear Trends, And Whether I Think They're Actually Worth It by Livvy Weld
    QOTD: Would you rather have one raccoon know all your secrets and occasionally hint at them or one goose publicly overreact to everything you do?
    Stupid Thing of the Week
    Triple Crown of gear you can find that's girly
    Mail Bag
    5 Star Review
    [divider]
    Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/ and his coffee.
    Sign up for the Trek's newsletter
    Leave us a voicemail!
    Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play.
    Support us on Patreon to get bonus content.
    Advertise on Backpacker Radio
    Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram.
    Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.
    Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. 
    Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
    A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Bill Jensen, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Bret Mullins aka Cruizy, Bryan Alsop, Carl Lobstah Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Clint Sitler, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Ethan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Jackson Storm, JaredNotFromSubway, Jason Kiser, Jason "The Snail" Snailer, Luke Netjes, Matty in AZ, Patrick Cianciolo, Randy Sutherland, Rebecca Brave, Rural Juror, Sawyer Products, The Saint Louis Shaman, Timothy Hahn, Tracy 'Trigger' Fawns
    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, Dakota J, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Denise Krekeler, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Lloyd Harris, Merle Watkins, Peter, Quenten Jones, Ruth S, Salt Stain, Sloan Alberhasky, and Tyler Powers.
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From the Appalachian Trail to the Pacific Crest and everything in between. Backpacker Radio is a show all about the wonderful world that is thru-hiking and long distance backpacking. Co-hosts, Zach "Badger" Davis and Juliana "Chaunce" Chauncey muse on the backpacking life and the latest from the trail every other week. Topics include but are not limited to news, trail culture, interviews, gear, advice, and all you can eat buffets.
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