Gospelbound

Here in Birmingham, Alabama, I often teach about the civil-rights movement as the most effective faith-based movement for social change in American history. We have a bitter heritage of violent segregation. But the same city produced the heroes of the struggle, the ordinary men and women (especially children) who stared down the police dogs and fire hoses in the march for their freedom. 
Justin Giboney honors such heroes as pastor Fred Shuttlesworth and commends their example for today in an informative, provocative book, Don’t Let Nobody Turn You Around: How the Black Church’s Public Witness Leads Us Out of the Culture War, published by IVP. Justin is the cofounder and president of the AND Campaign. The endorsement of this book by Bob Roberts calls Justin a “strange mix of Tim Keller and Martin Luther King Jr. wrapped up in his own personality and voice.” High praise!
In This Episode
00:00 – Jesus, truth, and critiquing our own side 
00:33 – Birmingham, civil rights, and faith-based social change 
01:00 – Introducing Don’t Let Nobody Turn You Around 
01:40 – The burden behind writing the book 
03:07 – Family history and the Black church tradition 
04:05 – Why Fred Shuttlesworth matters 
05:14 – “Biblicist and actionist”: faith and public courage 
06:05 – Nonviolence, moral discipline, and leadership 
07:11 – Shuttlesworth and King: contrasts and complements 
09:23 – Why moral progress isn’t inevitable 
12:10 – Moral imagination and Christian hope 
15:57 – What is the culture war? 18:44 – Humility, self-critique, and redeemable opponents 
21:29 – Justice, moral order, and refusing false binaries 
22:51 – King, the late 1960s, and the cost of a “third way” 
25:26 – Militancy, frustration, and historical context 
28:01 – Why Christians can’t abandon character 
31:12 – Tyranny, violence, and ending debate by force 
33:18 – Advice for young activists 
35:19 – Frederick Douglass and critiquing your own movement 
38:37 – Accountability, power, and political humility 
43:36 – Christian nationalism and historical amnesia 
47:24 – Final encouragement: civility, faithfulness, and hope 
Resources Mentioned
Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around: How the Black Church's Public Witness Leads Us out of the Culture War by Justin Giboney
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Work is the meaning of life.
Got your attention?
Your identity is tied to what you do.
I bet I have it now.
So argues David Bahnsen in his book Full-Time: Work and the Meaning of Life. Bahnsen is the founder, managing partner, and chief investment officer of The Bahnsen Group, a national private wealth management firm. He’s also the author of several books, including Crisis of Responsibility: Our Cultural Addiction to Blame and How You Can Cure It.
In This Episode
00:00 – Why Christians shouldn’t pit work against family or church
01:10 – Why Full Time Work and the Meaning of Life matters so deeply to Bahnsen
02:11 – Losing his father and discovering purpose through work
03:56 – The church’s discomfort with ambition and vocation
06:00 – Identity, salvation, and what our work says about us
09:06 – “Work is the meaning of life?” A biblical case from Genesis
12:55 – The crisis of men not working and its social consequences
16:12 – How Reformed theology shapes Bahnsen’s view of vocation
19:41 – The influence of Tim Keller and Every Good Endeavor
23:14 – Rejecting the zero-sum view of family vs. career
31:41 – Productivity, early mornings, and modeling joyful work
36:10 – Why in-person work still matters after COVID
44:39 – Conviction, politics, and resisting tribal thinking
54:21 – Overcoming resentment by telling the truth
Resources Mentioned
Full-Time: Work and the Meaning of Life by David Bahnsen
Crisis of Responsibility: Our Cultural Addiction to Blame and How You Can Cure It by David Bahnsen
Every Good Endeavor: Connecting Your Work to God’s Work by Tim Keller
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Join Collin Hansen and Melissa Kruger for their annual discussion as they look back on the top theology stories of 2025 and look towards the year to come. They also share their favorite interviews and books from 2025, updates on personal projects, and what they’re each looking forward to in life and ministry in 2026.
Resources Mentioned
Theo of Golden by Allen Levi
Believe by Ross Douthat
Superbloom by Nicholas Carr
Everything Is Never Enough by Bobby Jamieson
Blaise Pascal: The Man Who Made the Modern World by Graham Tomlin
Future Tenses of the Blessed Life by F. B. Meyer
A Case Against the Sexual Revolution by Louise Perry
I Seek a Kind Person: My Father, Seven Children, and the Adverts that Helped Them Escape the Holocaust by Julian Borger
The Deep Dish Podcast
The Rest Is History
TGC Church Directory
The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics
Making Sense of Us
TGCW26 — National Women’s Conference
RTS Women’s Bible Study
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For many, apologetics is associated with arguments over rational, philosophical proofs. It’s a matter of the head instead of the heart, a debate over facts instead of feelings. But no matter what kind of apologetics you practice, you’re arguing according to a certain set of rules, in a particular language, attuned to what you expect to resonate in your time and place. In other words, it’s always cultural, never purely timeless. And it’s never purely rational.
We need to recover apologetics as a matter of the heart and hands as well as the head. We need to recover apologetics as a project for the whole church and not just for those who enjoy arguing. What we call cultural apologetics is not a new academic discipline. It’s a means to reconnect the church to the best biblical and historical resources for presenting and defending the faith “once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3). 
That’s the vision behind a new book, The Gospel After Christendom: An Introduction to Cultural Apologetics, which I edited for Zondervan Reflective and The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. I’m joined now by two of the contributors, both fellows for The Keller Center. Josh Chatraw is the Billy Graham chair for evangelism and cultural engagement here at Beeson Divinity School in Birmingham, Alabama. Visiting us here at Beeson this week is Christopher Watkin, associate professor of French and Francophone studies at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia.
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In This Episode
02:00 — Apologetics as Cultural: Head, Heart, and Hands
03:00 — Biblical Models for Cultural Apologetics
05:10 — Retrieval: Learning from Church History
09:16 — Augustine, Rome, and Biblical Critical Theory
13:00 — Diagonal Thinking, Third-Way Debates, and Politics
16:00 — Confrontational vs. Winsome Apologetics
20:00 — How Jesus Engaged Different People
26:00 — Apologetics for the Whole Church and for Pastors
34:00 — Retrieval Models: Pascal, Montaigne, and Modern Idols
41:00 — Audience Q&A: Out-Narrating, Doubt, Catholicism, Facts vs. Heart Issues
51:46 — Closing Reflections
Resources Mentioned
The Gospel After Christendom by Collin Hansen, Ivan Mesa, & Skyler Flowers
Telling a Better Story by Josh Chatraw
Biblical Critical Theory by Christopher Watkin
City of God by Augustine
Confronting Christianity Podcast with Rebecca McLaughlin
The Speak Life Podcast with Glen Scrivener
Truth Unites Podcast with Gavin Ortlund
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If gender is constructed, it can be deconstructed. Think about it: if we built it, we can tear it down. Now you know why some activists have been so determined to convince us that gender is something we assign, rather than something we receive. If we assign it, then we can reassign it as we wish. We don’t receive our bodies. We can remake our bodies.
No doubt you’ve observed the rise of transgender theory in Western culture. It’s the denial that the sexed body reveals and determines the gendered self. That’s the helpful summary we find in the excellent new book The Body God Gives: A Biblical Response to Transgender Theory, written by Robert Smith. 
Smith is an ordained Anglican minister and lecturer in theology, ethics, and music ministry at Sydney Missionary and Bible College in Australia. He’s written two previous books on gender and identity. This new book by Lexham (now Baker) gives you a little bit of everything. He breaks down the arguments of gender theorists. He guides readers on a who’s who of philosophers who built the intellectual foundations of the secular West: Descartes, Rousseau, Kant, Marx, Wittgenstein, Freud, Sartre, Derrida, Foucault. 
And he concludes with biblical argumentation to show us nobody is born in the wrong body. He writes, “God’s desire for my gender is revealed by the design of my body.” I appreciate the way he harmonizes the biblical story from Genesis to Revelation: “Our present task is to work with the grain of creation toward the goal of new creation.”
Rob joins me on Gospelbound to talk transgender theory, how it spread, why it’s peaked, and where evangelicals need to go next. 
 
In This Episode
02:00 – Introducing Rob Smith & The Body God Gives
04:30 – The Transgender Tipping Point
06:21 – Butler, Foucault, and Gender Theory
11:21 – Queer Theory vs. Trans Theory
16:50 – Signs of Peak Transgender Influence
21:47 – Sex, Gender, and Stereotypes
29:00 – Church Culture and Gender Expectations
30:24 – Children, Puberty, and Medical Debate
33:30 – Technology, Identity, and Disembodiment
39:38 – Genesis 1–2 and Embodied Identity
46:37 – Marriage, Singleness, and Biblical Continuity
51:16 – Pastoring Those with Gender Dysphoria
56:00 – Violence, Fear, and Identity Conflicts
01:00:00 – Expressive Individualism and the Modern Self
Resources Mentioned
The Body God Gives: A Biblical Response to Transgender Theory by Rob Smith 
Why Are Black Women Increasingly Identifying as Bisexual? by Joe Carter
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