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The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

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The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow
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  • The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

    Liz Fong-Jones: 2x the PRs, 1.5x the Incidents

    29/09/2026 | 49 mins.
    Honeycomb went from 30 to 70 merged pull requests a day in three months. The catch: automated code review, not code generation, became the real bottleneck of software automation. Liz Fong-Jones, Technical Fellow at Honeycomb, explains why incidents still rose 1.5x, how their internal bot Autobot now reviews every PR, and why AI amplifies whatever org you already have.

    What we cover:
    – How automated code review lets humans focus on design, not trivial bugs
    – Using a decision model like Jev to decide which PRs are safe to auto-merge
    – What makes a codebase ready for AI coding agents
    – When to trust AI agents with production incidents, and when they're just throwing darts
    – Why "Claude did it" isn't an excuse, and what ownership means with AI
    – How open source maintainers can handle a flood of AI slop pull requests

    Chapters:
    00:00:00 - Introduction
    00:06:41 - Why AI amplifies dysfunctional engineering orgs
    00:10:45 - What makes a codebase AI ready
    00:14:01 - Honeycomb's Autobot and automated code review
    00:19:06 - Using Jev to decide which PRs are safe to merge
    00:26:51 - Trusting AI agents during production incidents
    00:30:40 - Least privilege and guardrails for coding agents
    00:33:25 - If your name's on it, you own it
    00:38:55 - AI slop pull requests and open source
    00:45:56 - Will observability engineering survive as a role?

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    Is your team's review capacity keeping up with your AI coding agents? Tell us in the comments.
  • The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

    Dexter Horthy: Why We Stopped Trusting AI to Write the Plan

    22/09/2026 | 56 mins.
    HumanLayer CEO Dexter Horthy on why his team's bet on spec driven development nearly wrecked their own codebase, and what changed his mind about reviewing AI-written code. Dexter walks through the "YOLO pull request" experiment that ran for months before the codebase became unusable, the "dumb zone" that limits how much context you can hand a model, and why he now believes there will always be alpha in reviewing something.

    What we cover:
    – How HumanLayer's "read the plan, skip the code" experiment quietly broke their own codebase
    – Why context windows have a "dumb zone," and what that means for context engineering
    – Sean Grove's idea that specs, not code, are becoming the durable artifact
    – Building overnight agents that review and fix code before a human ever sees it
    – Why treating software development like a factory changes how bugs compound
    – What Dexter thinks his advice on reviewing AI-written code will look like in 12 months

    Chapters:
    00:00:00 - Introduction
    00:02:15 - Meet Dexter Horthy, CEO of HumanLayer
    00:06:03 - The "dumb zone": why more context makes models dumber
    00:06:40 - Sean Grove's "the spec is the new code"
    00:09:22 - The YOLO pull-request experiment that broke their codebase
    00:11:09 - Letting the model own the architecture
    00:17:03 - Planning as expected-pain management
    00:28:15 - Slop Code Bench and the maintainability oracle problem
    00:37:59 - Why software factories aren't like car factories
    00:42:49 - "There will always be alpha in reviewing something"

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    Where do you land on the determinism-to-adaptability slider — plan tightly, or let the agent run? Tell us in the comments.
  • The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

    AWS's Marc Brooker: Specs, Not Code, Are the Hard Part

    16/09/2026 | 56 mins.
    Spec-driven development is reshaping what software engineers actually do all day, and Marc Brooker, VP and Distinguished Engineer at AWS, has read 3,000 to 4,000 postmortems that convinced him the code was never the hard part. In this episode of The AI Native Dev, Marc explains why testing and specification are now the real engineering work, why metastable failures keep taking down systems that look perfectly healthy, and why he still won't let AI write a single word of his blog.

    What we cover:
    – Why spec-driven development is turning testing into the hardest part of software
    – What metastable failures are, and why they keep taking healthy-looking systems down
    – How agentic coding tools can learn from postmortems and build their own memory
    – Why classic authorization breaks down once you're writing agentic policy
    – Why Marc won't let AI write his blog, but is fully comfortable with AI-generated code
    – What it takes to bring junior engineers up to speed in an AI-native industry

    Chapters:
    00:00:00 - Introduction
    00:02:17 - Marc Brooker: 18 years at AWS building agentic dev tools
    00:04:36 - Inside Strands, AWS's open source agent SDK
    00:06:44 - Fifteen years on call, and what agents still can't debug
    00:11:23 - Metastable failures and the humility of 4,000 postmortems
    00:14:32 - Teaching agents to learn from postmortems and build their own memory
    00:20:14 - Why agentic policy needs more than classic authorization
    00:32:14 - The agentic software development hypothesis: spec-driven development, oracles, and testing
    00:39:56 - Why Marc won't let AI write his blog (but will let it write code)
    00:46:37 - Advice for leveling up junior engineers in the AI era

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    Do you trust an agent to run its own on-call rotation yet? Tell us in the comments.
  • The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

    You Don't Need Juniors to Code. Hire Them Anyway.

    08/09/2026 | 52 mins.
    Coding agent reliability isn't a model problem, it's a gates problem. Ran Aroussi, creator of yfinance and founder of Automaze, argues that an "agentic workflow" is a contradiction in terms, and that the only thing standing between you and full autonomy is deciding where a human still signs off. He also thinks you stopped needing junior developers for their coding skills about a year ago, and that hiring them anyway is the only way the industry gets its next generation of architects.

    What we cover:
    – Why "agentic workflow" is a contradiction, and when agentic coding is the wrong tool for the job
    – Where a human still has to sign off, and what coding agent reliability actually depends on
    – What a software factory changed about delivery times, pricing and the client backlog
    – Why you no longer need juniors for their coding skills, and why you should hire them anyway
    – Teachable knowledge vs earned knowledge, and the experience agents cannot compress
    – The law firm model: why dev agencies may end up looking more like Kirkland & Ellis than a SaaS startup

    Chapters:
    00:00:00 - Introduction
    00:03:05 - yfinance, open source and 30 million downloads a month
    00:06:03 - Automaze and the MUXI agent application server
    00:10:42 - Where to draw the line on agent autonomy
    00:15:12 - Software factories and fully autonomous merges
    00:22:25 - The architect archetype and the four-phase ladder
    00:28:11 - Teachable knowledge vs earned knowledge
    00:30:14 - What agents did to delivery times and pricing
    00:37:03 - Why "agentic workflow" is an oxymoron
    00:41:08 - Anthropic, OpenClaw and the end of flat subscriptions

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    Where's your gate? Tell us in the comments where you still refuse to let a coding agent merge without a human looking.
  • The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

    850 PRs a Week: How Tessl Runs a Software Factory

    02/09/2026 | 51 mins.
    The software factory that put up 850 pull requests in a week, with 85 to 90% of them handled by agents end to end. Tessl's Head of Product Dru Knox on how it actually got built, why it started with skills rather than automation, and the two things nobody expects a factory to change. Guy Podjarny digs into the skills-to-loops-to-factory path, and what breaks when you skip a step.

    What we cover:
    – What a software factory actually is, and how it differs from a pile of disconnected automations
    – Loop engineering: turning a skill into something that gets better every time it runs
    – Why context engineering has to come before automation, and what stalls when it doesn't
    – The two gains nobody forecasts from extra agent capacity: quality and fungibility
    – Verifiers and evals, or how you enforce a standard that agents are free to ignore
    – Context-driven code review, and why a general-purpose reviewer plateaus

    Chapters:
    00:00:00 - Introduction
    00:03:23 - Kikimora: Tessl's own dark factory
    00:04:45 - Skills, loops and factories, defined
    00:09:09 - 850 PRs a week, and the road to it
    00:11:27 - The surprises: quality and fungibility
    00:13:16 - Why a factory has to be context centric
    00:16:40 - Context-driven code review and the wall teams hit
    00:22:51 - Skills inventory across your whole code estate
    00:28:38 - Verifiers, evals and enforcing what you wrote down
    00:37:30 - Loops, automations and owning your software factory

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    https://tessl.co/coi

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    If you've hit the plateau Dru describes, tell us where it stopped compounding for you.
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About The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow
Welcome to The AI Native Developer, hosted by Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple. Join us as we explore and help shape the future of software development through the lens of AI. In this new paradigm of AI Native Software Development, we delve into how AI is transforming the way we build software, from tools and practices to the very structure of development teams.Our target audience includes developers and development leaders eager to stay ahead of the curve. If you're passionate about the future of software development and curious about how to leverage AI to build effective teams and groundbreaking software, this podcast is for you.Each week, we bring you insights into the latest AI tools and best practices, keeping you up-to-date with the cutting-edge advancements in the industry. Additionally, every two weeks, we present deep dives with experts and leaders in the AI and software development space, offering a glimpse into the future of AI development.Tune in to discover how AI will revolutionize your workflows, roles, and organizations. Get inspired by the latest tools and best practices, and prepare to be part of the next generation of software development.
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