GOTO - The Brightest Minds in Tech

This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted in May 2026.
https://gotopia.tech

Read the full transcription of this interview here:
https://gotopia.tech/articles/445

Jake Warner - Co-Founder & CEO at Cycle  @JakeWarner 
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

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DESCRIPTION
Jake Warner, co-founder and CEO of Cycle.io, traces a pattern he's watched repeat itself since his OpenStack days: a new orchestration technology arrives, developers adopt it enthusiastically, it grows in complexity, and organizations eventually ask whether managing it is really a core competency. He made a decade-long bet that Kubernetes would follow the same arc — and built Cycle as the answer: a distributed control plane that lets companies own their own infrastructure and compute while still getting a clean, platform-like experience on top of it. The key design principle is a high ceiling without sacrificing simplicity — companies shouldn't have to re-platform every time they grow, and they shouldn't have to give up infrastructure ownership to get ease of use.

The conversation then pivots to Sovereign Cloud, which Jake frames not as a niche regulatory concern but as a fundamental trust and ownership question. He draws attention to a risk many organizations underestimate: the control plane itself. Unlike many platforms where the control plane is a single point of failure and a blackbox, Cycle's architecture ensures that even if the control plane goes down, customer infrastructure keeps running — servers maintain their own manifests and restart containers independently. Looking ahead, Jake expects more regions and countries to build their own cloud equivalents, driven by privacy concerns, data residency laws, and geopolitical pressures that are accelerating faster than the technology is.

His conclusion: the organizations that handed AWS all the keys are beginning to realize the cost — and the industry is correcting.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Alan Hamilton • Sovereign Cloud Operations • https://amzn.to/4dqYAe4
Leonard J. Horta • The Cloud Exit Strategy • https://amzn.to/4dXqeiN
Charles Curry & Tanessa Curry • Cooling the Cloud • https://amzn.to/4a0d4iA
Liz Rice • Container Security • https://amzn.to/3oU4iJe
Liz Rice • Kubernetes Security • https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/kubernetes-security/9781492039075
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This presentation was recorded at YOW! 2025.
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Matt Brunt - Dungeon Master & Team Tinkerer

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ABSTRACT
You enter the dungeon, as the echoes of your footsteps sound around you, something catches your eye - is that… oh, oh no.

You grab your trusty sword and with your fellow adventurers, you seek to overcome the mighty challenge that lays ahead of you: building software.

This talk is a look at some of the parallels between Dungeons and Dragons, and software development.

We’ll see how lessons learned through delving into dungeons and fighting monsters with a party of adventurers can help teams of developers when building software in the real world.

Are you ready to join me in a mighty quest for better software? [...]

Download slides and read the full abstract here:
https://yowcon.com/brisbane-2025/sessions/3641

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Heidi Helfand • Dynamic Reteaming • https://amzn.to/3Fvu5BA
Heidi Helfand • How to Change Your Teams • https://leanpub.com/DRTGuide
Carl Larson & Frank M J LaFasto • Teamwork • https://amzn.to/4cFWseQ
Gene Kim & Steve Spear • Wiring the Winning Organization • https://amzn.to/3QJcfBp
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This presentation was recorded at GOTO Copenhagen 2025.
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Abby Bangser - Principal Engineer at Syntasso & Team Topologies Advocate
Dave Farley - Bestselling Author, Founder & Director of Continuous Delivery Ltd.

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DESCRIPTION
Dave Farley and Abby Bangser open with a clear statement: Continuous Delivery isn't a relic of the pre-AI era — it's the foundation that makes the AI era survivable. Dave's definition is simple but consequential: software should always be in a releasable state, verified after every small change. That's not just a workflow preference; it's the same incremental, hypothesis-driven approach that underpins science and engineering. In an AI-assisted world where code can be generated far faster than humans can reason about it, the discipline of small, safe, verifiable steps becomes more critical, not less. The danger isn't AI writing bad code — it's AI writing a lot of code very fast that nobody is properly checking.

The conversation turns to a genuinely alarming DORA report statistic: 70% of developers using AI tools don't distrust the output. Abby draws a parallel to the long-running debate over whether developers can be trusted to test their own code — they usually can't, without a deliberate change in perspective. The same challenge applies to AI-generated code: you need to consciously shift from "prompter" mode to "verifier" mode, and most developers aren't making that switch. Dave closes with a surprising note of optimism: AI may be the industry's best-ever opportunity to finally get XP practices — small increments, automated tests, continuous feedback — embedded into how teams actually work. Not because anyone chose to adopt them ideologically, but because working without them while using AI is visibly, measurably risky.

Read the full abstract here:
https://gotocph.com/2025/sessions/3779

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Kief Morris • Infrastructure as Code • https://amzn.to/4e6EBQc
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ
Dave Thomas • simplicity • https://amzn.to/43FghBJ
Dave Farley & Jez Humble • Continuous Delivery • https://amzn.to/3ocIHwd
David Farley • Modern Software Engineering • https://amzn.to/3GI468M
Dave Farley • Continuous Delivery Pipelines • https://amzn.to/3rjetdi
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This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club.
http://gotopia.tech/bookclub

Barry Feigenbaum - Retired Sr. Principal Software Engineer & Author of "Go for Java Programmers"
Shon Saliga - IBM Storage Evangelist

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https://gotopia.tech/episodes/444

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DESCRIPTION
Dr. Barry Feigenbaum — an IBM, Amazon and Dell veteran with a PhD in Computer Engineering and decades of Java experience — spent time working with Go on microservices and liked it enough to write the book he wished had existed when he made the switch. In this GOTO Book Club episode with longtime colleague Shon Saliga, he walks through the core contrasts: Go is a compiled language that targets a narrower domain than Java — primarily command-line tools and web servers — but excels there with smaller binaries, faster startup, and dramatically lower container overhead. Concurrency is the headline difference: Go's goroutines are far lighter than Java threads, and its channel-based communication model sidesteps many of the problems that make concurrent Java code hard to reason about.

The error handling conversation is particularly illuminating. Java's exception mechanism, while powerful, encourages developers to overuse it for ordinary error reporting — Go simply doesn't allow that by design. Errors in Go are return values, not throws; panics are reserved for truly catastrophic situations. Similarly, Go's implicit interfaces (if you implement the methods, you implement the interface — no declaration required) give the language a flexibility that feels alien to Java developers at first but becomes a strength quickly. Barry's conclusion is clear: for greenfield servers and containerized microservices, Go is worth serious consideration — and for Java developers willing to reset a few mental models, the transition is more tractable than it looks.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Barry Feigenbaum • Go for Java Programmers • https://amzn.to/4uRL3li
Ken Christopher, Barry Feigenbaum, Shon Salig • DOS 5: The Basic • https://amzn.to/4tKDVGs
A N M Bazlur Rahman • Modern Concurrency in Java • https://amzn.to/42w8cOk
Ben Evans & Jim Gough • Optimizing Cloud Native Java • https://amzn.to/41nivD9
Ian F. Darwin • Java Cookbook 5th ed. • https://amzn.to/3QH0NZy
Victor Grazi & Jeanne Boyarsky • Real-World Java • https://amzn.to/4oCEeBR
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This conversation was recorded at GOTO Copenhagen 2025.
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Sarah Wells - Independent Consultant & Author of "Enabling Microservice Success"
Patrick Kua - Founder of the Tech Lead Academy
Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates

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Sarah
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Patrick
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Daniel
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DESCRIPTION
Engineering leadership becomes significantly more complex in times of uncertainty. This conversation highlights how leaders must shift from rigid plans to adaptable thinking—balancing delivery, team well-being, and long-term direction while navigating constant change.

A key takeaway is that great leadership isn’t about having all the answers, but about creating clarity, trust, and resilience within teams. The speakers emphasize communication, context-awareness, and empowering engineers as the foundation for thriving—even when everything feels unstable.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Sarah Wells • Enabling Microservice Success • https://amzn.to/4aa8xrv
Patrick Kua • Talking with Tech Leads • https://amzn.to/3ECO3xB
Patrick Kua • The Retrospective Handbook • https://amzn.to/4jpxxQN
Neal Ford, Rebecca Parsons & Patrick Kua • Building Evolutionary Architectures • https://amzn.to/42qXJV2
Mary Lynn Manns & Linda Rising • Fearless Change • https://amzn.to/49uuune
Mary Lynn Manns & Linda Rising • More Fearless Change • https://amzn.to/4tX6GAR
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