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  • Making Good Musical Trouble with Cathy Fink & Marcy Marxer
    I just had such a great Sunday Sanity conversation with the activist folk dynamos Cathy Fink and Marcy Marxer. Just watch and enjoy. And share!If you want to learn “No Kings Here,” the song Fink co-wrote with Tom Paxton, here’s their breakdown of the chords:The back story is in yesterday’s post here:Thank you Michael Ludgate, Peter van Soest, and many others for tuning into my live video! Join me for my next live video in the app. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit revkin.substack.com/subscribe
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  • 🎶 Life is a Band - Find Your Voice and Build a Band (Musical or Otherwise)
    More climate and other news and analysis anon, but here we pause for a musical interlude, starting with a program note: Join me for another Sunday Sanity show on Sunday October 12 at 7 p.m. with the Grammy-winning activist folk music duo Cathy Fink and Marcy Marxer to talk about their recent string of viral tunes confronting the Trump regime (there’ll be singing):Paste this post link in your calendar for showtime, then watch on Substack Live, Facebook, LinkedIn, X/Twitter or YouTube.Listen to “No Kings Here,” written and sung by Cathy Fink and Tom Paxton. And here’s “It Ain’t Gonna Go Away - Ode to the Epstein Files”:And now for my latest song, which is about the power of community - musical or otherwise.Most folks here know I’ve been a performing songwriter in the background behind my journalism for decades. Music is a fine counterpoint to reporting - giving me the ability to tackle issues, observations and questions that simply don’t fit into a “story.”Three years ago, I scribbled the line “life is a band” on a scrap of paper in a songwriting workshop at Bagaduce Music, a great hub for music making here in Downeast Maine. [Disclosure: I just joined the board.] That line has finally grown into a song, which is still being refined but is close enough to post. The lyrics and a YouTube video are below.Here’s what it’s about:I used to sing and strum up on the stage all by myself...I’d been a solo performer most of my musical life and only co-created a band for the first time around 2003 - a quartet and then quintet called Uncle Wade, centered on making “simple music for complicated times.” We avoided ego trips by each mainly playing the instruments we were least good at. For me that was fiddle and mandolin. This 2013 WFDU radio show appearance gives the story:In that band and others later, I began to appreciate the musical value of mixing personalities, instrumentation and voices, particularly when there were differences! (Lennon and McCartney were the ultimate expression of this phenomenon.) But “Life is a Band” didn’t solidify until recently. A few months back, I started frequenting a Monday evening “kitchen junket” - a potluck supper and singalong - at the Conscious Cafe in Ellsworth. This cozy eatery is tucked into a yoga center in an old house on a side road. Under chef Jesse Steiger, the mission is “to build community and connection through conscious food and living.” The regular crew ranges from octagenarians to youngsters, from tuba players to a saz player from Turkey.The junket began last January, with the music side cheered on and semi-organized by the marvelous fiddler, dancer and music educator Molly Gawler. Listen above or scan my lyrics below to see how the song relates to these sessions.And I hope you’ll consider starting a junket of your own in a living room or accommodating cafe.Here are the lyrics (which I’ve updated slightly since I made the recording!):LIFE IS A BAND - Andy Revkin, Oct 2, 2025 A D E A I used to sing and strum up on the stage all by myself. E A Bm7 E Some Dylan and John Prine, Mixed with some songs of mine. A D E A But something was not there. Licks and lyrics were too spare. Bm7 E Customers drinking and scrolling and yapping, once in awhile some scattered clapping. D E A A Then walking home from a sleepy gig a fellow called my name.. Bm7 E A He said I love the way you play, but there is a better game. chorus D A E Life is a band, no more singing on your own. D A E Life is a band, grab a uke or saxophone. D A E Life is a band, tenor, bass or baritone. D E A Come add your voice. Let’s make it grand. Life is a band. (twice) A D E A He said right down the block there is a place you have to see, A A Bm7 E We gather every weekend for a potluck jamboree. A D A E Bring some wings or a casserole, a flute or mandolin. Bm7 E A Choose folk or blues or an Irish tune and then we start to sing. chorus bridge E E Like a town needs a mayor and a baker and a plumber A A A band has a singer and a picker and a drummer Bm7 Each, on its own, is monotone. E Put ‘em all together for something better…. Put ‘em all together for something better…. Put ‘em all together for something……better… chorus Is there anything like this where you live?Sustain What is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit revkin.substack.com/subscribe
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  • Songwriter Dar Williams on Music that Matters
    This is the podcast post for my special September 28th Sunday Sanity conversation with my friend Dar Williams. Here’s the updated “curtain raiser’ post with all the background on our chat and Williams’ first album on Righteous Babe Records, Hummingbird Highway:Thank you Dave Finnigan, Bart Ziegler, and many others for tuning into my live video! Join me for my next live video in the app. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit revkin.substack.com/subscribe
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  • Joe Romm and I Agree on Something: We Both Never Foresaw How Bad Trump's Assault on Climate Would Be
    Boy this was a bracing, high-velocity and fun discussion with longtime renewable-energy analyst and evangelist Joe Romm. If you missed it live, now’s your chance to listen or skim the transcript and post questions or reactions. We explored a heap of issues related to climate, energy and online communication. We went back in time to our Dot Earth and Climate Progress tussles and moments of agreement but mostly focused on current and future events.One thing we absolutely agreed on was that our disputes back in the Bush and Obama days over the mix of clean-energy policies aimed at mass deployment or research and development were microscopic in the context of the reversals engineered by the Heritage Foundation and industry and initiated under Trump 2.0.We went through Romm’s recent mythbusting aroun carbon offsets and “green” hydrogen. I recommnd that you follow him on LinkedIn, where he does a good job highlighting relevant output from others as well as his own (the mark of a good blogger). Here’s an example - pointing to Stephen Lacey’s Open Circuit podcast:Here’s a highlight from our Sustain What conversation in which Romm explains what’s behind rising electricity bills and offers a suggested message to anyone wanting to return the U.S. to rational climate and energy policy:People’s electricity bills are going up and they are pissed and they don’t understand their bills…. First of all, we haven’t invested in the grid for 10, 20 years, and we’re blocking transmission lines, and we’re making it hard to actually deploy renewables as fast as we could. And Trump has come in and has gutted the credits for renewables. And we’re still going to build renewables and batteries because they’re still going to be the cheapest and fastest to deploy.They’re just going to be more expensive. So we have [also been] exporting our cheap natural gas in the form of liquefied natural gas - a bad idea that Biden at least put a pause on. The fossil fuel industry loves it.But guess why? This is arbitrage. Natural gas is expensive in places like Europe. It’s cheap here. What they want to do and what they are doing is taking our cheap gas, liquefying it, shipping it overseas, making a lot of money and therefore reducing our amount of gas, setting our gas prices up. It is very basic supply and demand.I do not know why our side does not message on [this]. We’re exporting our cheap gas to other nations and it’s costing us problems.There is much much more, so dig in and weigh in with questions (I’ll forward to Romm) and do SHARE this post with others.And do consider chipping in to help me justify the time it takes to develop the podcasts and post here.I’m close to an exciting threshold for paying supporters. I’d love to meet via video chat privately with the next four folks who can afford to chip in $50 to keep Sustain What going,Thank you Dann, Peter van Soest, and others for tuning into my live video! Join me for my next live video in the app. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit revkin.substack.com/subscribe
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  • How “Adversarial Collaboration” Can Improve Research When Scientists Clash
    I hope you’ll watch and share this fresh and fascinating discussion of a project hosted at the University of Pennsylvania aimed at fostering “adversarial collaboration” when researchers - as just one example - clash in the literature over data that could reveal why humans tend to hold fast to certain beliefs and when and how they update them. I can’t imagine a more important question these days. My guests were project co-director Cory J. Clark and Gordon Pennycook, an associate professor of psychology at Cornell who is involved with several such efforts. You can explore some of the resulting papers and other background below.Here’s a description (full story in Penn Today):Led by Cory Clark, a behavioral scientist and visiting scholar in the Department of Psychology, and in partnership with Penn Integrates Knowledge University Professor Philip Tetlock, the Adversarial Collaboration Project encourages scientists with competing perspectives to work together to design research that can adjudicate their dispute and test where the truth lies. Clark’s team is currently running 10 projects with several dozen researchers from some 30 institutions worldwide and recently published on this work in the Journal of Applied Research in Memory and Cognition.You can also watch the conversation and share this Sustain What episode on Facebook, LinkedIn, my X account, Substack Live or on YouTube.We talked about a wide array of insights and issues, including when I asserted that the news media and social media tend to cut against any effort at adversarial collaboration. I used the example of content in The Atlantic on the research camps warring over the impact of mobile phones on children and teens (an issue I’ve tweeted about).The processes used by the project team, in some cases, have included a mediator (Clark has filled that role sometimes). I noted how much time and effort is involved in what is a very bespoke effort and asked whether artificial intelligence could help mediate between clashing teams’ views of relevant date. Can AI mediate research disputes?That hasn’t been explored much, Clark and Pennycook said, but there has been work showing that AI can durably nudge the beliefs of study participants. Here’s the editor’s summary of one such study (Pennycook is a co-author): Durably reducing conspiracy beliefs through dialogues with AI (Science Magazine, 2024):Human participants described a conspiracy theory that they subscribed to, and the AI then engaged in persuasive arguments with them that refuted their beliefs with evidence. The AI chatbot’s ability to sustain tailored counterarguments and personalized in-depth conversations reduced their beliefs in conspiracies for months, challenging research suggesting that such beliefs are impervious to change. This intervention illustrates how deploying AI may mitigate conflicts and serve society. Clark and Pennycook noted that research tends to show this is NOT about the AI bot, but about getting appropriate evidence to people in ways they can ingestHere’s some related research to explore: Is Overconfidence a Trait? An Adversarial Collaboration (pre-print) - Jabin Binnendyk, Sophia Li, Thomas Costello, Randall Hale, Don A. Moore, and Gordon PennycookAn Adversarial Collaboration on the Rigidity-of-the-Right, Rigidity-of-Extremes, or Symmetry: The Answer Depends on the Question (pre-print) - Shauna Marie Bowes, Cory J Clark, Lucian Gideon Conway III, Thomas H. Costello, Danny Osborne, Phil Tetlock, and Jan-Willem van ProoijenOn the Efficacy of Accuracy Prompts Across Partisan Lines: An Adversarial Collaboration - Cameron Martel, Steve Rathje, Cory J. Clark, Gordon Pennycook, Jay J. Van Bavel, David G. Rand, and Sander van der LindenCrisis counseling for scientists clashing over big questionsI noted there’s a lot of synchronicity with a longstanding effort in Earth science - the U.S. Geological Survey’s John Wesley Powell Center for Analysis and Synthesis - essentially a crisis counseling center for intradisciplinary disputes. I held a conversation long ago about a mediation related to earthquake hazard analysis with two seismologists and the project director Jill Baron.The center is in the Rockies and one method for overcoming rancor is taking hikes that make everyone so short of breath it’s harder to argue. Read this EOS commentary to learn more:I’m close to an important threshold for paid supporters and hope those who can afford it can chip in $50 to help me justify the time this takes to do this webcast and newsletter.Thank you Aron Roberts, Kim M., Jeff Jolley, Zvi Leve, Lauren Chua, and many others for tuning into my live video! Join me for my next live video in the app. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit revkin.substack.com/subscribe
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