The Business of Dance

Interview Date: September 13, 2026

EPISODE SUMMARY
Vancouver-born dancer, choreographer, and teacher Travis Lim joins Menina Fortunato to share his journey from childhood competitions and Michael Jackson-inspired solos to UCLA and professional dance work in Los Angeles. With credits including Lisa of BLACKPINK and Hollywood Arts, Travis offers an honest look at the artistic growth, relationships, and practical skills involved in building a career beyond the competition stage.

Travis reflects on the value of his UCLA dance education while explaining what it did not teach him about the business of working professionally. He discusses his family’s investment of approximately $400,000 CAD and the difference between developing as an artist and preparing to earn a living. The conversation also explores how he uses AI in his creative work, moves through perfectionism and comparison, and approaches projects with curiosity and a willingness to keep learning.

During the dancer Q&A, Travis shares his perspective on networking, direct bookings, choosing an agency, communicating with agents, and showing up confidently in auditions. He also discusses developing an individual style, making choices about competition and professional work, and finding time to recover. This episode is perfect for aspiring professional dancers, dance parents weighing college options, and competition dancers ready to understand what comes next.

SHOW NOTES
(00:51) – Introducing Travis Lim and his journey into professional dance
(03:44) – Childhood training, early competitions, and Michael Jackson’s influence
(07:29) – Moving to Los Angeles and choosing UCLA for dance
(13:43) – What his dance degree did not teach about the industry
(17:48) – Reflecting on a $400,000 CAD education investment
(22:01) – Using AI to support creative work and organize ideas
(28:46) – Working through perfectionism, comparison, and hesitation to create
(34:36) – Dancing with Lisa of BLACKPINK and learning from her professionalism
(36:28) – Behind the scenes of A Week Away and Hollywood Arts
(42:49) – Why networking and relationships matter for direct bookings
(45:59) – Choosing MSA and building communication with your agents
(50:49) – Standing out in auditions with confidence and personal strengths
(52:50) – Developing your own style while learning from other dancers
(59:24) – Weighing competition dance against a growing professional career
(62:36) – Recovery, downtime, and maintaining a life outside dance

ABOUT TRAVIS LIM
Travis Lim is a professional dancer, choreographer, artist, and teacher from Vancouver, Canada, based in Los Angeles. He began as a competitive dancer and freestyler, earning international recognition through the competition circuit and appearances on NBC’s World of Dance and Canada’s Got Talent. He moved to Los Angeles to attend UCLA, where he earned a Bachelor of Arts in Dance before continuing to build his professional career.

His film and television experience includes Hollywood Arts, A Week Away: The Series, and Lego Friends: The Musical with Kenny Ortega. Travis has also danced with artists including Lisa of BLACKPINK, Victoria Justice, Machine Gun Kelly, DPR IAN, Paris Hilton, and AJ McLean. Alongside his professional work, he teaches and shares his approach to training, choreography, and artistic development. Drawing on his background in freestyle, crew training, and choreography, he encourages dancers to develop their individuality while continuing to learn from different styles and experiences.

CONNECT WITH TRAVIS LIM
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travylim/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@travylim

Interview Date: August 30, 2026
Episode Summary
In Episode 149 of The Business of Dance Podcast, host Menina Fortunato sits down with Los Angeles-based choreographer, movement director, and performer Noelle Marsh. Noelle traces her path from a small dance studio in North Carolina to the world stage, beginning with dance at age three, competing nationally, and appearing on So You Think You Can Dance, which became her gateway into the industry. She opens up about assisting Mia Michaels, being mentored by Brian Friedman, and choreographing and later performing alongside Tate McRae. Noelle also shares what it was like dancing in the Thriller sequence of the Michael Jackson biopic and the emotional weight of stepping into that legacy. The conversation explores her transition from performer to creative lead, moving fluidly between dancing and choreography, the fear and freedom of rejection, and why she believes people feel your thoughts more than your words. The episode closes with a mentee Q&A about authenticity, standing out in the room, building connections, and navigating today's social-media-driven industry.
Shownotes
00:50 – Introducing guest Noelle Marsh
03:10 – Growing up dancing in small-town North Carolina
04:33 – Getting the call to assist Mia Michaels
07:00 – Moving to Los Angeles with no plan and no backup
10:33 – First booking: the Oscars with Adam Shankman
12:42 – Building a relationship with Brian Friedman
15:07 – Choreographing and later dancing for Tate McRae
19:20 – Dancing in the Thriller sequence of the Michael Jackson biopic
24:04 – Transitioning from performer to choreographer
27:00 – Winning Every Single Step and gaining creative confidence
29:48 – Balancing dancing and choreography today
32:37 – Authenticity, thoughts over words, and reframing rejection
36:56 – Mentee Q&A: connections, standing out, and social media's role today
Biography
Noelle Marsh is a Los Angeles-based choreographer, movement director, and performer whose career moves across contemporary dance, pop culture, film, television, and brand work. After growing up in North Carolina, she appeared on So You Think You Can Dance, assisted Mia Michaels, and became part of the original company of Shaping Sound.
As a performer, Noelle has worked with artists including Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, Jennifer Lopez, Dua Lipa, Tate McRae, Halsey, Mariah Carey, Gwen Stefani, and Katy Perry. Her choreography and movement-direction work includes projects for Tate McRae, The Voice, and campaigns for Bose, McDonald's, Motorola, and DSW.
Connect with Noelle
Instagram — @noellemarsh

Interview Date: February 15, 2026

EPISODE SUMMARY
In this episode of The Business of Dance Podcast, Menina Fortunato sits down with New York City-based dancer and content creator Melissa Becraft to unpack the persistence, creativity, and unexpected opportunities behind her career. Melissa shares how she started dancing at 12, moved from South Carolina to New York City at 18, and spent four years auditioning while booking only one professional dance job before finally landing a spot with the NBA Brooklynettes. That opportunity became a major turning point, leading to six seasons with the team, including four as captain.
When the pandemic paused live performances, Melissa turned to social media as a creative outlet. What began as a TikTok account with zero followers quickly exploded, reaching 950,000 followers in eight months. She shares how recreating movie scenes, music videos, characters, and decades helped her build a recognizable creative identity and eventually turn dance content into a viable business through brand partnerships. She also gets candid about influencer rates, from early $500 videos to a $35,000 short-form campaign, while comparing the earning potential of content creation to traditional professional dance jobs.
Throughout the episode and mentee Q&A, Melissa offers practical advice on confidence, versatility, performance quality, audition preparation, social media safety, time management, and overcoming comparison. Her story is a reminder that success rarely happens overnight—and that dancers do not have to be the “best” person in the room to build a thriving career.
SHOW NOTES
02:47 – Melissa’s dance journey from South Carolina
03:28 – Moving to New York at eighteen
04:40 – Four years of auditions and rejection
06:20 – Auditioning for the NBA Brooklynettes
07:05 – Six seasons and becoming team captain
09:08 – Pandemic sparks Melissa’s social media journey
10:48 – Reaching 950,000 followers in eight months
13:31 – Turning social media into paid partnerships
15:45 – Breaking down influencer income potential
18:10 – Performing with BLACKPINK at the VMAs
21:07 – Q&A: Building confidence and overcoming comparison
24:32 – Q&A: Why tricks don’t define dancers
29:22 – Q&A: Creating safe, professional dance content
33:26 – Q&A: Performance quality that books jobs
39:08 – Turning your dancing into a business
ABOUT MELISSA
Melissa Becraft is a dancer and content creator based in New York City. She began her career with the NBA Brooklynettes, later becoming captain and choreographer. Her credits include the VMAs with BLACKPINK, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, and HBO’s Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. She has built an audience of more than 3.5 million followers across TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube and created dance content for Disney, Prime Video, Netflix, Hulu, HBO, and Kate Spade.
CONNECT WITH MELISSA
Instagram — @melissabecraft

Interview Date: August 16th
Episode Summary:
In this episode of The Business of Dance Podcast, Menina Fortunato sits down with Los Angeles-based performer, choreographer, acrobat, and educator Joey Vice to explore the unconventional path that took him from a young competitive dancer in Ohio to performing his dream role with Cirque du Soleil. Joey shares how he transitioned from soccer to dance, developed a strong technical foundation in ballet and jazz, and independently expanded into contemporary and acro. By 12, he had already set his sights on Cirque, studying its artists, training methods, and performance style in preparation for the career he wanted.
That preparation paid off when Cirque du Soleil contacted Joey at just 18 years old and ultimately cast him in KOOZA. He opens up about the elaborate makeup process, the physical demands of touring, performing up to 10 shows per week, and developing the acting, improvisation, stamina, and versatility required of a Cirque artist. After two years on tour, Joey chose to step away from his childhood dream job to explore the broader dance industry and eventually relocated to Los Angeles.
Joey also takes listeners behind the scenes of his transition into television and commercial work, including being discovered through social media for BalletRED and appearing on Netflix’s Star Search. During the mentee Q&A, he shares advice on strengthening acro technique, overcoming fear, researching who you audition for, embracing individuality, and continuing to train. His message throughout the episode is to stay curious, work hard, ask questions, and surround yourself with people who are pursuing similar goals.
Shownotes:
03:56 – From soccer player to passionate dancer
06:00 – Building his unique acro-contemporary style
09:06 – Training specifically for a Cirque career
12:08 – Booking his dream job at eighteen
14:23 – Learning Cirque’s elaborate makeup process
19:13 – Inside life performing with Cirque
25:03 – The unexpected realities of touring young
28:54 – Transitioning from Cirque to Los Angeles
29:20 – Social media opens the Star Search door
30:37 – Eight months preparing for BalletRED
33:26 – Behind the scenes of live television
43:03 – Q&A begins with aspiring dancers
46:59 – Q&A: Strengthening and improving acro technique
53:39 – Q&A: Research who you audition for
1:03:32 – Final advice: Keep training and asking questions
Biography:
Joey Vice is a versatile performer and choreographer who has been making waves in the dance industry since his teenage years. At just 18, his exceptional talent and dedication led him to become the lead role in Cirque du Soleil’s KOOZA.
Now based in Los Angeles, Joey works as a freelance choreographer, teacher, and performer, creating innovative choreography and jaw-dropping tricks. His career has included performing in music videos for artists such as 070 Shake, Marina, and Vana, and most recently appearing on Netflix’s Star Search with BalletRED.
Joey is currently on faculty at Millennium Dance Complex and has worked as a teacher and choreographer for Joffrey Ballet School. Joey’s mission is to push the boundaries of dance while inspiring the next generation of artists through creativity, athleticism, and passion for performance.
Connect on Social Media:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joeythedancer/

Interview Date: August 9th, 2026
Episode Summary:
In this episode of The Business of Dance Podcast, Menina Fortunato sits down with Canadian choreographer Alex Francoeur to trace the journey that took him from a nine-year-old boy reluctantly entering his first hip-hop class in Quebec to building a full-time career across performance, choreography, television, live production, and entrepreneurship. Alex shares how early professional opportunities showed him that dance could become a real career, eventually leading him from Montreal to Toronto, New York, and Los Angeles. Along the way, he reflects on the mentors, relationships, O-1 visa journey, and willingness to take risks that shaped his path.
Alex also opens up about the major turning points that redirected his career, including Révolution, receiving a Golden Buzzer on France’s Got Talent, and discovering his voice as a choreographer and creative leader. He explains why genuine relationships matter just as much as talent, how assisting choreographers for years unknowingly prepared him to lead, and why defining success on your own terms can completely change your trajectory.
The conversation dives into one of Alex’s biggest projects yet: serving as head choreographer for the Opening Ceremony of the FIFA World Cup 2026, including the massive audition and rehearsal process behind the production. During the Q&A, Alex shares valuable advice about auditions, skeleton crews, networking, personal branding, leveraging opportunities, and treating yourself like a business. Above all, he encourages dancers to enjoy the journey, stay curious, build meaningful relationships, and recognize that every experience is preparing them for what comes next.
Shownotes:
00:42 – Starting dance at nine in Quebec
05:09 – Discovering dance could become a career
10:28 – Relationships that led to FIFA World Cup
15:14 – Taking a one-way chance on Los Angeles
18:04 – Révolution performance changes Alex’s career
20:11 – Becoming his own brand and business
22:29 – Unexpected transition from dancer to choreographer
25:51 – Building an international dance convention company
28:21 – Defining success on your own terms
32:09 – Choreographing FIFA with 125 dancers
35:16 – Inside the massive FIFA audition process
54:04 – Q&A: Why skeleton crews create opportunities
57:43 – Q&A: Receiving the life-changing FIFA call
1:05:13 – Q&A: Treating yourself like a business
1:11:16 – Final advice: Believe and enjoy the journey
Biography:
Alex Francoeur is a Canadian choreographer who creates large-scale movement for the world’s biggest stages — from sold-out arenas to global broadcast events reaching millions of viewers.
With more than 100 television episodes to his name and live productions staged before crowds exceeding 100,000 spectators, Alex has built a reputation for choreography that merges precision, storytelling, and raw emotional impact. His work doesn’t just fill a stage — it commands it.
His international profile surged after receiving a Golden Buzzer on France’s Got Talent, a breakthrough that brought his singular artistic vision to audiences far beyond Canada. That vision — rooted in authenticity and human connection — is what consistently earns him trust from the industry’s most demanding productions.
Alex has recently served as the Head Choreographer for the Opening Ceremony of the FIFA World Cup 2026, cementing his standing among the elite creators shaping how the world experiences live performance. His work spans productions across Canada, the United States, and Europe.
Connect on Social Media:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/alex_francoeur/
Website: https://alexfrancoeur.ca/