What does the future of product management actually look like?
In this episode of the Everyday Agile Podcast, I sit down with Carla Jarrett to talk about:
Why traditional product management skills are no longer enough.
How AI is changing product roles.
The rise of engineering fluency and “product engineers”.
Why Scrum and Agile often become “agile theatre”.
Product Manager vs Product Owner debates.
Customer discovery, product leadership and proving product value.
Building SaaS products and surviving acquisitions.
The Liverpool tech scene and the launch of Build Better Liverpool.
Carla shares practical insights from working as a Head of Product, scaling B2B SaaS platforms, leading teams, and helping shape Liverpool’s growing tech community.
If you work in Product Management, Agile, Scrum, SaaS, UX, Engineering Leadership or Tech Leadership, this conversation is packed with useful insights.
Topics covered:
Product Management, Agile, Scrum, AI in Product, SaaS, Product Leadership, Product Strategy, Discovery, Stakeholder Management, UX, Engineering, Customer Feedback, Product Teams, Product Owner vs Product Manager, Liverpool Tech, Build Better Liverpool.
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00:00 – Why Product Managers Need More Than Traditional PM Skills
00:50 – The Future of Product Management Is Changing
01:25 – Engineering Fluency, UX & Commercial Thinking Explained
01:56 – How AI Is Changing Product Management Roles
02:44 – Why Product, Design & Engineering Roles Are Blurring
03:33 – The Rise of the Product Engineer
04:13 – Best Podcasts & Resources for Product Managers
05:11 – Best AI & Vibe Coding Tools for Product Teams
06:22 – Carla Jarrett’s Journey Into Tech & Product Management
07:40 – Building a SaaS Product From Scratch
08:10 – What It Feels Like When Your Product Gets Acquired
09:42 – What a Head of Product Actually Does Day-to-Day
10:36 – Customer Discovery & Getting Honest Feedback
11:47 – Managing Teams as a Head of Product
12:46 – How Product Managers Can Prove Their Value
16:16 – Scrum, Agile & “Agile Theatre” Explained
18:13 – Why Story Points Don’t Equal Customer Value
19:04 – Why Carla Started Posting on LinkedIn
21:37 – Why Build Better Liverpool Was Created
22:30 – Liverpool vs Manchester Tech Scene
24:08 – Breaking Down Silos Between Product, Design & Engineering
25:53 – The First Build Better Liverpool Event
27:08 – Product Manager vs Product Owner Debate
30:12 – Carla’s Solution to the Product Role Confusion
31:24 – Final Thoughts & Where to Connect With Carla Jarrett
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