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Cover photo of Rick Allen - copyright Cindy Burnham, Lucky Shot Productions 

Show Note: 
0:00 Nautilus Productions' Co-Founder Rick Allen gives the history of Allen v. McCrory - suit against NC over Allen's footage of the Queen Anne's Revenge Shipwreck 
1:20 SCOTUS’ 9-0 decision in Allen v. Cooper that the Copyright Remedy Clarification Act of 1990 (CRCA) was unconstitutional 
2:00 NC’s technical arguments against Allen’s claims 
2:55 court's use of pendant jurisdiction to wipe out 5 years of Allen’s case
3:45 petition for rehearing en banc denied 
6:45 states’ use of sovereign immunity against creators
8:50 Jeff Sedlik’s suit over use of his photo of Miles Davis as a tattoo  
9:30 Michael J. Bynum’s suit over Texas A&M University’s unauthorized use of Bynum’s 12th Man book (complaint here; dismissal of copyright infringement claims against A&M employee discussed here)
11:00 Allen’s recommendations to artists to protect their work online
13:35 Emily Gould’s discussion of LAION case 
17:00 Bartz v. Anthropic - 23 June 2025 Order on Fair Use in N.D. Cal.
19:50 Allen on opt out policy
20:20 Visual Artists Copyright Reform Act (VACRA)
21:00 Gould on survey by DACS (the Design and Artist’s Copyright Society) 
23:00 response to UK government’s consultations 
24:00 UK House of Lord’s hearings
24:30 Allen on artists not understanding impact of generative AI
26:00 Gould on UK judgment from trial in Getty v. Stability 
28:50 Gould on judgment in GEMA v. Open AI
31:55 Lauren Stein on ChatGPT and law school's encouragement to use AI 
33:00 Getty v. Stability in UK – Getty’s drop of direct infringement claim and appeal of ruling on secondary infringement claim
35:50 UK’s Section 9(3) - copyright protection for original work created by a machine
39:20 Stein on copyrightability and Japan’s approach to sufficient human authorship
41:40 Gould on Beijing Internet Court's judgment in Li v. Liu
42:05 Allen’s position on AI
44:00 Gould on authenticity and human contribution
47:35 Ed Newton-Rex 
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Photo of Zoë Buckman by Abbey Drucker
show notes:
1:10 background as a multi-media visual artist
7:00 Buckman’s dialogue with agency
9:25 her use of embroidery
10:40 filmmaking
11:00 Show Me Your Bruises, Then
14:25 exhibition at the Perez Museum 
18:50 power of art
22:00 Artist Tracey Ehmann  
23:45 exploration of personal issues in her work 
26:15 her work on Jewish personhood 
34:30 erasure and gaslighting of Jewish artists
37:00 show at Mindy Solomon Gallery 
41:00 Jewish people’s complicated relationship with the home
42:45 her definition of justice / injustice 
45:40 how her work addresses her view of justice / injustice
49:30 use of vintage textiles
51:45 coffee table book
52:45 2027 NY show
53:30 collaboration with Actress Cush Jumbo
54:50 the legacy Buckman hopes to make with her work
56:15 multiple truths she addresses in her work
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To learn more, please visit Ronnie Stephens' site and view his TEDx Talk
1:50 background of Ronnie’s “legacy journey” as a member of the Quapaw and Cherokee Tribes
3:30 1897 allotment of 240 acres to Stephens' great-grandfather
4:30 Quapaw Tribe’s relocation from Arkansas to Oklahoma 
6:30 McGirt v. Oklahoma, 140 S. Ct. 2452 (2020)
9:00 issues identified by Tribal Leaders
10:50 Dawes Commission and Burke Act
17:00 management of allotted land
19:25 Emily Gould – question about allotted land 
24:45 Keeping Traditions Alive exhibition
26:20 Killers of the Flower Moon rewritten with input from Osage Nation
27:55 Echo film involved input from Choctaw Nation
30:00 Alan Robertshaw–Prey-film with Native American heroine
31:55 Dark Winds series
33:30 policy shifts needed 
38:30 NAGPRA and its amendments
43:45 education needed for cultural sensitivity 
46:00 BBC Documentary: Rich Hall’s Inventing the Indian
49:20 Lauren Gowler–question about historic US federal laws
55:00 definition of justice 
 
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Photographer credit: Simon Strong
Here is more information about Alana Kushnir and Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers.
Show Notes:
1:45 update since Alana’s 2021 interview at Ep. 43
3:45 rebranding to Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers
5:00 LinkedIn posts by Alana and Guest Work Agency
8:00 antisemitism in the arts  
13:00 resignation from Australian Centre for Contemporary Art’s Board
13:35 Australian news article led to her public cancellation 
15:55 Serpentine Gallery's removal of her after 5 years as the lead on its research programme, The Legal Lab
20:00 steps forward to address hypocrisy in the arts sector
20:55 service on Jewish Museum of Australia’s board
21:40 her curation of Chutzpah: Spirit. Recollection. Self.
23:20 Georgian Artist Nina Sanadze's “Call to Peace” Series
27:40 Sanadze’s use of flowers from Bondi Massacre in future sculpture
30:30 Israeli-German Artist Elinor Sahm’s "Ha'layla"
31:30 Simm’s family archive used to show a Jerusalemite-Sepheradic “Hafla” (traditional celebration and gathering)
33:35 Alana's aim to bring back the depth of Jewish culture and history
37:25 Alana’s dream project to highlight the Jewish community's contribution to Australia's culture, especially Jewish women
39:30 education to bring together Jewish and non-Jewish communities
42:50 current relevance of the Holocaust
45:00 Jewish community from former USSR at the Bondi massacre
46:50 moral courage as a form of justice
48:00 legacy to create culture not fear, to emphasize integrity and loyalty 
49:15 her work with Arts Patron and Hospitality Icon Rinaldo Di Stasio 
50:05  Di Stasio’s commission of Artist Sean Gladwell for a moving image work in flagship restaurant, Di Stasio Città 

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Show notes:
1:30 background
3:30 My English Persian Kitchen
5:15 Sheherazade, narrator of One Thousand and One Nights
5:45 My English Persian Kitchen author Atoosa Sepehr’s efforts to address misconceptions about Iranians 
7:30 Reading Lolita in Tehran
9:45 choice of roles that challenge the stereotype about Iranians
10:10 Apple TV series Tehran
12:00 defenders of human rights
14:25 response to Iran’s formal and psychological censorship of creative community
16:45 Artist Soheila Sokhanvari
18:30 Women Life Freedom movement
21:00 global response to human rights’ violations in Iran
23:00 the meaning of justice in terms of accountability 
24:20 future projects
27:25 legacy / mark of her work 
28:55 creative process and connection with other creatives
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