Behavioral Grooves Podcast

What does it really take to change a habit? Charles Duhigg, journalist and author of The Power of Habit, joins us to explore how our understanding of habits has evolved and why lasting change may start with changing how we see ourselves. From the “habit window” and keystone habits to habit chaining and identity shifts, we challenge long-held assumptions about willpower and explore how small changes in behavior and perspective can lead to lasting transformation.

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[0:00] The Food Noise and GLP-1s

[10:47] Speed Round with Charles Duhigg

[16:50] The Habit Loop: What We Get Right and Wrong

[22:34] The Hidden Cues Behind Our Habits

[27:23] Keystone Habits, Habit Chaining, and Identity

[35:51] Temptation Bundling and Making Habits Easier

[40:07] How GLP-1 Medications Change Our Relationship With Willpower

[49:02] Why Researchers Should Work With Businesses

[55:09] Desert Island Music: The Beatles vs. The Rolling Stones

[59:34] Groove Session: Why Your Actions Shape Your Identity

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The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg

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The Beatles - A Hard Day’s Night

The Rolling Stones - Beast of Burden

Have we misunderstood two of psychology’s most famous experiments? We revisit the Stanford Prison Experiment and the Robbers Cave experiment with science historians Thibault Le Texier and Gina Perry, who uncovered a much messier story behind the research we learned about in school. What can these experiments actually tell us about human behavior, and what happens when researchers become more invested in a specific conclusion than challenging their own assumptions?

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[0:00] Two Famous Experiments, One Bigger Problem
[6:47] Part One: The Stanford Prison Experiment
[12:26] Were the Guards Coached to Be Cruel?
[18:14] Is the Real Lesson About Leadership?
[19:22] Part Two: The Robbers Cave Experiment
[24:04] The Forgotten Middle Grove Experiment
[28:38] Engineering the Robbers Cave Experiment
[32:38] What Can We Actually Learn From These Experiments?
[36:09] When the Story Gets in the Way of the Science
[41:36] What Happens When a Story Sounds Too Tidy?

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Investigating the Stanford Prison Experiment: History of a Lie by Thibault Le Texier

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Why do we do what we do? Behavioral Grooves explores the science of human behavior with researchers, authors, and thinkers who help us make sense of ourselves, each other, and the world around us.

Horse meat, kidneys, prostitution. What happens when the things people want to buy, sell, and trade collide with what society has deemed “off-limits”? Nobel Prize-winning economist Alvin “Al” Roth joins us to explore the behavioral science behind controversial markets, from repugnance and social norms to black markets, incentives, and informed consent. We also dig into his work redesigning the kidney exchange market and how asking a different question can open up new possibilities for solving seemingly impossible problems.

Topics
[0:00] Intro and Speed Round with Alvin “Al” Roth

[9:21] What Is a Market?

[13:10] Repugnance vs. Disgust

[20:00] How Social Norms Shape Markets and Morality

[24:12] Do Laws Change Morality, or Does Morality Change Laws?

[28:25] Drugs, Hitmen, and the Social Support Behind a Ban

[34:23] Rethinking the Market for Prostitution

[38:12] Can Money Be Coercive?

[46:12] Redesigning Kidney Donation With Incentives

[50:42] What Do We Do When the Data Can't Change Minds?

[52:47] “Ought Implies Can” and the Limits of Moral Rules

[1:03:05] Grooving Session: What We Learned From Al Roth

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Paul Simon - You Can Call Me Al

Leonard Cohen - I’m Your Man

What happens when behavioral science leaves the classroom and enters the real world? In this special episode, we explore the past and future of the Behavioral Science & Policy Association with founders Sim Sitkin and Craig Fox and incoming leader Crystal Hall. We talk about bridging the gap between research and practice, the growing importance of interdisciplinary behavioral science, and why understanding the human side of AI may be one of the field's biggest opportunities.

Topics
[0:00] What Is the Behavioral Science & Policy Association?

[7:45] BSPA's First Big Breakthroughs

[12:12] How BSPA Helped Legitimize Applied Behavioral Science

[17:14] What AI Gets Wrong About Behavioral Science

[25:06] The Next Frontier for Behavioral Science

[32:34] Why Behavioral Science Is at a Critical Moment

[42:19] What AI Means for Behavioral Science

[46:20] A New Vision for BSPA

[49:10] How to Get Involved With BSPA

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