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    Mesoamerica vs. The Heartland: The Book of Mormon Geography Debate

    24/05/2026 | 1h 14 mins.
    Where did the Book of Mormon actually take place? It's one of the most divisive internal debates among Latter-day Saints — and one of the most misunderstood.

    In this episode, Jasmin Rappleye, Neal Rappleye, and Stephen Smoot sit down with Brant Gardner — author of the six-volume Second Witness commentary on the Book of Mormon and one of the most widely published Book of Mormon scholars working today — to lay out the methodological, archaeological, anthropological, and textual case for Mesoamerica, and why the Heartland model doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

    Read Brant Gardner's "Heartland vs. Mesoamerica" article series at The Interpreter Foundation, and check out his brand new book The Record and Explorations in Book of Mormon Authenticity, published by FAIR.

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    https://fairlatterdaysaints.org/store/product/the-record-and-the-reading-explorations-in-book-of-mormon-authenticity/

    ===Informed Saints Credits===

    Produced by The Ancient America Foundation

    Producer: Spencer Clark

    Hosts: Stephen Smoot, Neal Rappleye, Jasmin Rappleye

    Episode Resources:

    www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/book-of-mormon-geography

    https://bhroberts.org/records/HcTowb-KL5WGb/observer_and_telegraph_reporter_mentions_the_three_witnesses_and_reports_on_lds_missionary_activity_in_ohio

    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/guatemala-mirador-calakmul-karst-basin-lidar-maya-settlements-2235254

    https://www.newsweek.com/hidden-ancient-mayan-megalopolis-60000-structures-discovered-guatemala-using-797865

    arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/lidar-reveals-hundreds-of-long-lost-maya-and-olmec-ceremonial-centers/

    www.sci.news/archaeology/lidar-olmec-maya-ceremonial-complexes-mexico-10206.html

    www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/world/maya-civilization-causeways-lidar-discovery-scn

    scripturecentral.org/knowhy/why-did-nephis-people-want-him-to-be-a-king

    https://interpreterfoundation.org/journal/unavailable-genetic-evidence-multiple-simultaneous-promised-lands-and-lamanites-by-location-possible-ramifications-of-the-book-of-mormon-limited-geography-theory

    scripturecentral.org/knowhy/what-was-the-nature-of-nephite-fortifications

    https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/archaeological-trend...

    Chapters

    (00:00:00) - The Book of Mormon
    (00:00:52) - The Book of Mormon Geography
    (00:07:32) - The population scale of the American heartland
    (00:12:59) - Mesoamerica and Political Organization
    (00:19:14) - Mesoamerican and Heartland Proposals
    (00:23:20) - on Book of Mormon Geography
    (00:29:07) - Isaac 10,000 on the hill
    (00:30:45) - Wonders of the World
    (00:32:17) - The Book of Mormon Fortifications
    (00:35:08) - The Book of Mormon and the Mountains of New York
    (00:41:12) - Neville on the Heartland Geography
    (00:44:58) - Geography in the Book of Mormon
    (00:47:42) - How Does Mesoamerica vs Heartland Account for the Destruction
    (00:53:22) - The Book of Mormon Heartland vs. Mesoamerica
    (00:59:23) - Meticulous Metal Artifacts in the Book of Mormon
    (01:04:50) - Do Things Change in the Book of Mormon?
    (01:06:04) - How Does the Book of Mormon End?
    (01:11:05) - Brandt on the Book of Mormon
    (01:13:34) - Brant Gardner's New Book, The Record and the Explor
  • Informed Saints

    Abinadi Was Right | Stunning Evidence From Two Ancient Worlds

    17/05/2026 | 23 mins.
    What is the "east wind" in the Book of Mormon? Why would it have struck terror into King Noah's people? On the surface, Abinadi's warning that the people would "reap the east wind which bringeth immediate destruction" (Mosiah 7:31) sounds almost forgettable. But this detail turns out to be one of the most quietly powerful pieces of evidence for the Book of Mormon's ancient origins.

    In this episode, Jasmin, Neal, and Stephen unpack a fascinating paper by BYU professor Kerry Hull titled "An East Wind: Old and New World Perspectives," published in the volume Abinadi: He Came Among Them in Disguise (Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University). The east wind in the Hebrew Bible is consistently used as an instrument of divine judgment — drying out crops, bringing locusts, parting seas, and famously blighting the wheat in Pharaoh's dream. It's a wind of destruction, even when biblical authors apply it to regions where the geographical direction wouldn't literally make sense.

    But the real surprise comes when you cross over to the New World. Among the Yucatec, Zeltal, and Zotzil Maya, "evil winds" were believed to be punishments sent by the gods, with the east wind singled out as especially destructive — the Zotzil and Zeltal literally calling it "fiery wind." John Sorensen documented a Zeltal prayer that almost mirrors Abinadi's prophecy: "let no hail come, let no wind come, let no locusts come." That's the exact constellation of calamities listed in Mosiah 12:6.

    The geography deepens the case. In highland Guatemala; where most Mesoamerican Book of Mormon models place the city of Lehi-Nephi — a hot northeast wind clashing with humid Pacific air actually produces hailstorms, and locusts naturally migrate down from the nearby Motagua River Valley. Jerry Grover has also connected Abinadi's prophecy to Mayan New Year rites, where year bearers were tied to specific cardinal directions and warnings of famine, locusts, war, and the violent death of a ruler were part of the ritual prophetic tradition.

    ===Informed Saints Credits===

    Produced by The Ancient America Foundation

    Producer: Spencer Clark

    Hosts: Stephen Smoot, Neal Rappleye, Jasmin Rappleye

    Subscribe for more deep-dive Book of Mormon scholarship

    Read the full volume: Abinadi: He Came Among Them in Disguise at the BYU Religious Studies Center

    Sources discussed:

    Kerry Hull, "An East Wind: Old and New World Perspectives"

    John Sorensen, An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon and Mormon's Codex

    Jerry Grover, Evidence of the Nehor Religion in Mesoamerica

    John W. Welch, scholarship on Pentecost and Abinadi's trial

    Further Readings Links:

    https://rsc.byu.edu/abinadi/east-wind

    https://scripturecentral.org/knowhy/why-did-abinadi-warn-the-people-of-an-east-wind

    https://scripturecentral.org/archive/books/book-chapter/abinadi-andpentecost

    https://scripturecentral.org/archive/media/chart/did-abinadi-prophesy-against-king-noah-pentecost

    https://interpreterfoundation.org/journal/nephite-daykeepers-ritual-specialists-in-mesoamerica-and-the-book-of-mormon

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    Chapters

    (00:00:00) - The East Wind: An Ancient Phenomenology
    (00:00:34) - Where Does The East Wind Show Up in The Old Testament?
    (00:06:41) - Bad Wind: The East Wind
    (00:12:38) - The East Wind in The Book of Mormon
    (00:16:13) - Isaiah 7:1-2 New Year Prophecies
  • Informed Saints

    The Brazen Serpent: The Weirdest Symbol in the Bible — EXPLAINED

    10/05/2026 | 35 mins.
    Why on earth would looking at a bronze snake on a pole heal someone bitten by a serpent? It's one of the strangest stories in the Old Testament and most readers move past it without a second thought.

    But ancient Near Eastern artifacts, Israelite seals, and details preserved in the Book of Mormon reveal that the Brazen Serpent (the Nehushtan of Numbers 21) was anything but arbitrary. It was the perfect symbol and Nephi knew exactly why.

    ===Informed Saints Credits===

    Produced by The Ancient America Foundation

    Producer: Spencer Clark

    Hosts: Stephen Smoot, Neal Rappleye, Jasmin Rappleye

    In this episode, the Informed Saints crew break down Neal’s paper which covers:

    • The Hebrew behind "fiery serpents" (ha-nəḥāšîm ha-śərāphîm) and what seraph actually means

    • Bronze serpent wands from Egypt and figurines from Megiddo, Hazor, Shechem, Timnah, and Gezer — all associated with healing

    • The 13th–11th century BC tent shrine at Timna with a bronze serpent inside

    • The seraphim of Isaiah 6 as winged serpentine guardians of Yahweh's throne

    • Isaiah 14:29's "fiery flying serpent" as an ancient Jewish Messianic prophecy

    • Why Nephi adds "flying" to the serpents in 1 Nephi 17:41

    • How the Hebrew word nēs (pole / ensign / battle standard) ties Numbers 21 to Isaiah's prophecies

    • Why this whole web of imagery points unmistakably to Jesus Christ

    Read Neal's full paper: https://interpreterfoundation.org/journal/serpents-of-fire-and-brass-a-contextual-study-of-the-brazen-serpent-tradition-in-the-book-of-mormon

    Scripture references

    Numbers 21:4–9

    2 Kings 18:4 (the Nehushtan)

    Isaiah 6, 14:28–29, 11:12, 13:2

    1 Nephi 17:41

    2 Nephi 25:20

    Alma 33:19–22

    Helaman 8:13–15

    Scholarly sources mentioned in the episode

    James H. Charlesworth, The Good and Evil Serpent: How a Universal Symbol Became Christianized

    Karen Randolph Joines, Serpent Symbolism in the Old Testament

    Anchor Bible Dictionary, entry on "Nehushtan"

    Austin Henry Layard, Discoveries in the Ruins of Nineveh and Babylon

    Related background reading

    Michael S. Heiser, The Unseen Realm (on the divine council)

    Margaret Barker, The Older Testament (on First Temple theology and the Messiah)

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    ===Content Disclaimer===

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    Chapters

    (00:00:00) - The Brazen Serpent in the Book of Mormon
    (00:04:21) - The Hebrew word for brazen serpent
    (00:09:49) - Serpents in the Exodus
    (00:16:22) - A Pantheon of Judean Gods
    (00:17:53) - The Seraphim in Isaiah 6
    (00:21:41) - Isaiah 14:20
    (00:26:09) - How Does the Book of Mormon Contribute to This Discussion?
    (00:32:59) - 2 Nephi 9: The Serpent of Fire
  • Informed Saints

    Linguist Finds 1,650 Hebrew Words Hidden in Ancient American Languages

    03/05/2026 | 37 mins.
    What if the strongest evidence for the Book of Mormon isn't archaeological but linguistic?

    In this episode of Informed Saints, Jasmin Rappleye, Neal Rappleye, and Stephen Smoot sit down with Brian Stubbs, a respected Uto-Aztecan linguist whose foundational comparative dictionary of the language family was praised as a "monumental contribution" by Kenneth Hill in the International Journal of American Linguistics. After decades of work, Stubbs has documented more than 1,650 cognate sets connecting Hebrew, Aramaic, and Egyptian to the Uto-Aztecan language family, which spans from the Utes in the north to the Aztecs in the south and includes more than thirty languages across western North America and Mexico.

    In this conversation, we cover:

    What cognates are and why consistent sound correspondences are the gold standard for establishing a relationship between languages.

    Why linguists generally require at least 10% overlap to establish relatedness, and how Stubbs' Semitic and Egyptian data accounts for roughly 60% of the cognates in his Uto-Aztecan dictionary.

    Specific cognate examples, including barak/peroq (lightning), bat/pata (daughter), and saba/sipo (star).

    How a single Aramaic dialect from northern Palestine matches Uto-Aztecan in a way that points to ancient northern Israel, the region of Manasseh and Ephraim.

    The remarkable "lion to mountain lion" sound shift that directly addresses one of the most cited Book of Mormon anachronisms.

    The two distinct sound correspondences in Uto-Aztecan (Semitic-P and Semitic-Kw) that suggest two related but distinct language groups merged into one population, an unexpected parallel to the Nephite-Mulekite merger described in the Book of Mormon.

    Why language evidence is uniquely unfakable compared to inscriptions and physical artifacts.

    Endorsements from David H. Kelley, John Robertson, Dirk Elsinga, Roger Westcott, and other prominent linguists.

    Brian Stubbs' latest research will appear in a forthcoming volume from the Religious Studies Center at Brigham Young University entitled "In the Eyes of the Ancient: Historical Perspectives on the Book of Mormon."

    ===Informed Saints Credits===

    Produced by The Ancient America Foundation

    Producer: Spencer Clark

    Hosts: Stephen Smoot, Neal Rappleye, Jasmin Rappleye

    Further Readings:

    https://interpreterfoundation.org/journal/exploring-semitic-and-egyptian-in-uto-aztecan-languages

    https://interpreterfoundation.org/journal/an-american-indian-language-family-with-middle-eastern-loanwords-responding-to-a-recent-critique

    https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/exploring-the-explanatory-power-of-semitic-and-egyptian-in-uto-aztecan

    https://www.velikovsky.info/roger-w-wescott/

    Chapters

    (00:00:00) - Does There Be Evidence for Hebrew in Ancient America?
    (00:00:23) - Prof. David Udo Aztecan on Comparative Lingu
    (00:02:20) - Utah Aztec: Where Did It Originate?
    (00:06:28) - Uncovering the Semitic and Egyptian Languages
    (00:12:34) - Consistent patterns in Semitic languages
    (00:20:18) - Possible Book of Mormon Language Origins in the Americas
    (00:22:01) - Language change in Egyptian and Udo Aztecan
    (00:25:55) - Mormon Book of Mormon: Lion
    (00:26:55) - Sound Shift in Nephite and Egyptian Languages
    (00:34:34) - The Case for Semitic Writing in the Book of Mormon
    (00:35:08) - Language Evidence in the Book of Mormon
  • Informed Saints

    Egyptologists Got Facsimile 3 WRONG (New Research Reveals Why)

    26/04/2026 | 40 mins.
    Is Facsimile 3 of the Book of Abraham really just a standard Egyptian funerary scene, as critics often claim? New research suggests the answer is far more complicated and far more interesting.

    In this episode of Informed Saints, Jasmin Rappleye, Neal Rappleye, and Stephen Smoot sit down with Quinten Barney, whose master's thesis at BYU represents the most thorough comparative study of Facsimile 3 ever conducted. Barney has examined every known copy of the Book of Breathings (only 33 exist in the world) to see whether Facsimile 3 really matches the standard Egyptian corpus, and the results are striking.

    In this conversation, we cover:

    Why Facsimile 3 has been the most neglected of the three facsimiles and what that means for the current debate.

    The significant differences between Facsimile 3 and the judgment scene from the Book of the Dead (chapter 125) that most critics compare it to.

    Why the identification of the figure as Anubis has real Egyptological problems, including missing hieroglyphs, wrong clothing, wrong posture, and a missing headdress.

    How Joseph Smith's identification of "Isis as Pharaoh" actually has grounds in the Greco-Roman Egyptian evidence.

    Why only two Egyptologists have ever attempted to fully translate the hieroglyphic captions (Robert Ritner and Michael Rhodes) and what their translations disagree on.

    The unique presence of stars above the figures in Facsimile 3 — a feature not found in any other Book of Breathings vignette — and how it ties to the astronomy theme.

    The more than half dozen ancient extra-biblical sources describing Abraham teaching astronomy to Egyptians, most of which were unavailable to Joseph Smith.

    Why the possible role of W.W. Phelps as editor matters for understanding the published explanations.

    Quinten Barney's thesis is available free as a PDF from the BYU Scholars Archive for readers who want to go deeper into the technical details.

    https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/etd/7598/

    If you think Facsimile 3 has already been "solved" by Egyptologists, this episode will challenge that assumption with the receipts to back it up.

    ===Informed Saints Credits===

    Produced by The Ancient America Foundation

    Producer: Spencer Clark

    Hosts: Stephen Smoot, Neal Rappleye, Jasmin Rappleye

    Further Readings:

    Quinten Barney's Master's Thesis (Free PDF Download) https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/etd/7598/ 

    Gustav Seyffarth Description of Joseph Smith Papyri at St. Louis Museum (1856) https://bhroberts.org/records/0ueBOW-0Wur88/gs_mentions_js_papyri_in_st_louis_museum_describes_them_and_their_content

    Michael Rhodes, "Facsimiles from the Book of Abraham," Encyclopedia of Mormonism https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/EoM/id/5528

    The Egyptian Book of the Dead Overview https://exploreluxor.org/egyptian-book-of-the-dead/

    John Gee, "Facsimile 3 and Book of the Dead 125" https://scripturecentral.org/archive/books/book-chapter/facsimile-3-and-book-dead-125

    "Isis the Pharaoh: Facsimile 3, Figure 2," BYU Studies https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/isis-the-pharaoh-facsimile-3-figure-2

    Fragment of Book of Breathing for Horos A, Joseph Smith Papers

    Chapters

    (00:00:00) - Quinten Barney on Facsimile 3 of the Book of Abraham
    (00:01:35) - Why Facsimile 3 is so important
    (00:05:04) - The Book of the Dead: Facsimile 3
    (00:07:59) - The Book of Breathings
    (00:12:16) - Is Isis the Author of the Book of Abraham?
    (00:17:54) - Joseph Smith's Egyptian Explanations in The Times of Comics
    (00:22:17) - Anubis in the Book of Mormon
    (00:25:24) - Anubis in the Book of Breathings
    (00:30:32) - Anubis in the Book of Breathings
    (00:32:51) - Is the Book of Breathing Anubis?
    (00:34:16) - What Does Facsimile 3 Mean for Egypt?
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