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It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

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    "Can't Win Anything With Kids" Manchester United's 1996 Triumph

    05/05/2026 | 56 mins.
    Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this week's episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper revisit the 1995-96 Premier League season. 30 years on from one of the great title races. They trace Manchester United's unlikely triumph, beginning with the summer meltdown that saw Ince, Hughes, and Kanchelskis all depart, the infamous opening-day defeat to Aston Villa, and Alan Hansen's immortal verdict. From Cantona's Paris crisis and Ferguson's diplomatic dinner to Newcastle's flying start and that seemingly insurmountable 12-point lead, Wilson and Draper unpick every twist. They examine Schmeichel's heroics in the pivotal March showdown at St James' Park, the Tino Asprilla effect, the curse of the grey shirts at The Dell, and finally the extraordinary moment Kevin Keegan lost his composure on live television.

    00:00 Alan Hansen Sets the Scene
    06:30 The Summer Meltdown — Ince, Hughes, Kanchelskis
    12:45 Class of '92 and the Aston Villa Opener
    19:20 Cantona's Paris Crisis and Ferguson's Rescue Mission
    27:10 Newcastle's Flying Start and the 12-Point Lead
    34:50 The March Showdown at St James' Park
    42:15 Tino Asprilla and the Rodney Marsh Debate
    48:00 Liverpool 4, Newcastle 3 — The Moment It Turned
    53:40 The Grey Shirts and the Southampton Collapse
    58:10 The Mind Games Begin
    01:03:20 Keegan's Meltdown — "I Will Love It"
    01:09:00 United Win the League and the Double
    01:14:30 Why This Season Made the Premier League
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    The Impossible Dream: Leicester City’s Premier League Win

    28/04/2026 | 1h 5 mins.
    Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this week’s episode, co-hosts Jonthan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by Sports Journalist and author Jonathan Northcroft to take a look 10 years on from that extraordinary and famous Premier League win! They frame the story around key pivot points, including the Valentine’s Day defeat at Arsenal and the self-belief it sparked, plus Ranieri’s unexpected decision to still grant the squad a holiday. Northcroft traces the longer build-up through the 2013 Watford play-off heartbreak, Nigel Pearson’s cross-department reset, the 2014 Championship-winning platform (and the later FFP breach), and the club’s smart recruitment and early data use that delivered players like Kanté, Mahrez and Okazaki. They cover Pearson’s departure after off-field incidents, the scepticism around Ranieri’s appointment, his “dilly ding” media touch, rivals’ crises, standout wins over Liverpool and Manchester City, Spurs’ chase, and the city’s all-in celebrations as the miracle became real.

    06:35 Origins of the Build
    10:39 FFP and the Promotion Debate
    11:35 Recruitment and Data Edge
    17:36 Kante and Mahrez Backstories
    22:22 Pearson Great Escape and Exit
    26:10 Ranieri Arrives Against the Odds
    27:46 Dilly Ding and Pizza Psychology
    35:24 Chelsea Chaos Unravels
    41:42 Big Clubs in Crisis
    45:02 Vardy Volley and City Statement
    47:37 Leicester Media Frenzy
    53:30 Spurs Pressure and Title Night
    59:19 Leicester Celebrates as One
    01:04:30 Bonkers Finale
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    Do I Not Like That! England's Downfall Under Graham Taylor | Part Three

    21/04/2026 | 54 mins.
    Welcome back to It Was What It Was the football history podcast. In today’s episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper bring this Graham Taylor series to a close with the Oslo qualifier that defined his reign: a chaotic, tactically muddled 2–0 loss to Norway at the peak of their ‘golden age’, captured in painful detail by The Impossible Job. Unpacking Taylor’s mounting stress, tabloid caricature and “no‑win” selection calls—especially the dilemma of persisting with an undercooked Paul Gascoigne—before explaining how the back-three plan collapsed, England’s structure unravelled, and Norway’s alertness (including a quick free kick) punished them. The episode breaks down England’s chaotic structure, Norway’s tactical calm under Egil “Drillo” Olsen, and Taylor’s famous touchline outbursts, before tracing the fallout: “Norse Manure” headlines, concerns the players had stopped responding, and a demoralising US tour. England briefly revive by beating Poland, but lose in Rotterdam and, despite winning 7–1 in San Marino after conceding almost instantly, miss out as the Netherlands win in Poland. They assess Taylor’s broader legacy, his misfortune with timing and player form, and his later rehabilitation at Watford.

    01:51 Norway’s Golden Generation
    04:51 Tabloid Mockery Era
    06:11 Psychology and Pressure
    08:18 The Gaza Fitness Dilemma
    18:30 Paranoia and Tactical Switch
    22:50 System Collapse in Oslo
    25:57 Quick Free Kick Nightmare
    29:41 Norway Strike Again
    30:32 Tabloid Backlash
    32:07 Tactics And Trust
    35:18 Bigger Picture Failings
    42:56 USA Tour Fallout
    43:49 Last Chance Qualifiers
    45:36 San Marino Shock
    48:28 Reassessing the Taylor Legacy

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    Do I Not Like That! England's Downfall Under Graham Taylor | Part Two

    14/04/2026 | 50 mins.
    Welcome back to It Was What It Was. In today's episode, co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson continue Graham Taylor’s England story as the 1994 World Cup qualifying begins to wobble, with Paul Gascoigne’s talent and volatility dominating the narrative. They examine how Taylor’s pragmatic, direct style—shaped by lower-league realities and later linked (often unfairly) to FA long-ball doctrine—collided with more technical European approaches, and how internal battles involving Charles Hughes and data pioneer Charles Reap poisoned the backdrop. England’s campaign lurches through a Norway draw at Wembley after a late stunner, a Gascoigne-inspired win over Turkey, and a damaging 2–2 draw with the Netherlands featuring an undetected elbow and a late penalty. With Gascoigne returning in a mask, England then stumble in a hostile Poland away match and escape with a late equaliser, before Taylor’s brutal “headless chickens” verdict leaves his team heading to Oslo under growing pressure.

    00:24 Setting the Scene
    03:08 Taylor’s Pragmatic Roots
    06:50 Pressing vs Possession
    10:04 Charles Hughes and the Winning Formula
    13:55 Reap vs Hughes Fallout
    19:31 Norway’s Long Ball Irony
    21:59 Back to Qualifying Hopes
    24:10 Gazza’s Norway Controversy
    26:50 Taylor’s Gaza Dilemma
    28:22 Norway Opener Heartbreak
    30:53 Turkey Win and Dependence
    32:53 Too Honest With Press
    40:12 Dutch Clash at Wembley
    44:13 Mask Return and Mania
    45:52 Poland Chaos and Critique
    49:03 Headless Chickens Finale
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    Do I Not Like That! England's Downfall Under Graham Taylor | Part One

    07/04/2026 | 50 mins.
    Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. Co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue on from last week’s episode with Jan Fjortoft to delve into how things went wrong for Graham Taylor during his time as England manager. In this first part of a three part series on Graham Taylor (following our episode with Fjortoft) we take a look at the high of Italia ’90 to the early warning signs of Graham Taylor’s troubled England reign, setting up the wider story of his eventual downfall. Central to the episode is Paul Gascoigne’s rise into “Gaza mania,” the off-field chaos and disciplinary problems that followed, including the 1991 FA Cup final knee rupture and subsequent setbacks. Taylor struggled to manage both the player and the circus around him. England qualified for Euro 1992 but drew twice, lost to Sweden and Taylor’s substitution of Gary Lineker became emblematic as tabloid ridicule culminate in a reputational collapse for Taylor.

    01:05 The Impossible Job Era
    07:39 Referees And Rotterdam
    12:47 Italia 90 Reality Check
    20:02 Gaza Mania Begins
    25:31 Euro Qualifiers Begin
    28:24 Ireland Away Selection
    30:08 Taylor Press Tightrope
    35:48 Cup Final Knee Rupture
    41:46 Euro 92 Sweden Turning Point
    42:55 Lineker Sub Controversy
    47:50 Fitness Gap And Refuelling
    49:32 Turnip Taylor Tabloid Sting
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About It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

Welcome to The Overlap's football history podcast, It Was What It Was.Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world.The show will be discussing the best stories from football's past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left.Join us at Football University!If you enjoy the podcast please hit subscribe to never miss an episode. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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