Kingdom Talk Podcast with Malaine

Episode Summary
Who bewitched you? Paul asked the Galatians. We're asking the modern church. Charismatic witchcraft, Jezebel and Python spirits, counterfeit anointing, and the specific ways the kingdom of darkness is operating through Spirit-filled leadership are on the table.
This is a special crossover episode airing simultaneously on The Culture Cast and Kingdom Talk to introduce Faith on the Fringe, our new supernatural biblical theology podcast launching April 27. We both came from deep in the New Age and the occult before Jesus pulled us out, and we've both watched the same spirits that operated in those spaces quietly take up residence in charismatic Christianity.
Go listen to the Faith on the Fringe trailer on Genesis 6: The Part of the Bible Your Pastor Skips Right Over: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/faith-on-the-fringe/id1894554711
In this conversation, we unpack how dry, cessationist churches create hunger that charismatic deception feeds on. Why believers who credit a leader with their "unlocking" or "activation" instead of Jesus develop blind loyalty that short-circuits discernment. The actual fruit test Jesus gave us in Matthew 7. The warning signs of a bewitched congregation. And the difference between a leader who redirects glory to Christ and one who hoards it.
We also talk about why we both came under the same conviction on the same day to stop saying "Lord" and start saying Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and how many counterfeit spirits hide behind ambiguous language.
This is your preview of Faith on the Fringe. The trailer drops today. Full season launches April 27.
Spirit-Filled. Bible-Obsessed. Slightly Unhinged.
Featured Quote
"When you are submitting to leadership that is putting you under deception, you are in massive idolatry. And it says in the Word of God that you become deaf, dumb and blind like your idol." -- Malaine Lea Butler
Key Takeaways
Charismatic leaders exploit spiritual hunger. When churches are dry and cessationist (meaning no active Holy Spirit manifestation), hungry believers either drift toward the New Age to find the supernatural or they become prime targets for witchcraft masquerading as Kingdom ministry. The hunger itself isn't wrong. What feeds it matters.
False loyalty creates spiritual blindage. When you credit a leader with your "unlocking" or "activation" instead of Jesus, you develop an unconscious dependency. That dependency skews discernment. You stop being able to hear what the Holy Spirit is actually saying because your spiritual ear is tuned to the wrong frequency.
The red flags are specific. Worship of the person. Submission demanded without questions. Glory removed from Jesus and placed on the leader. The phrase "through my anointing, you are anointed." If the leader's life and fruit don't match what's being preached from the stage, that's the signal. Matthew 7:15-20 still applies.
Check the fruit, not the gift. The kingdom of darkness can show you real power. Counterfeit spirits do real things. The test isn't "did something supernatural happen?" The test is: where's the glory going, what's the fruit in the leader's life, is the congregation being set free or kept in bondage, and how much Jesus is actually being preached versus stories about the leader?
Admiration versus obsession. Appreciating a teacher is fine. Needing them for every "word," constantly quoting them over Scripture, feeling unsettled when they're not in your ear, that's crossed into bewitchment. Acts 5 with Ananias and Sapphira shows where false loyalty leads. It is never benign.
Fear of the Lord is the antidote. Not anxiety. Awe. The kind of holy reverence that keeps you more loyal to Jesus Christ of Nazareth than to any leader, anointing, or movement. Discernment is downstream of that.
Timestamps
[0:52] Welcome + Faith on the Fringe announcement
[1:48] Why Leah's been away from Culture Cast
[2:13] Today's topic: charismatic bewitchment
[4:03] Our journeys from New Age to Christ
[5:38] Why we say 'Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth'
[8:29] Finding bewitchment in the body of Christ
[12:25] Dry churches + supernatural hunger paradox
[16:04] Lack of discernment in the church
[17:57] Church hurt + false leadership storm
[20:18] Red flag: 'Through my anointing' phrases
[22:39] Taking credit for what Jesus does
[25:02] Woman rejected for her appearance
[27:34] How to check bewitchment: check the fruit
[41:05] Ananias and Sapphira: false loyalty
[43:14] Admiration vs obsession with a leader
[45:25] Energetic signatures: heaven vs darkness
[47:20] Red flags: unsettled, second-guessing
[49:21] How New Age harvests energy via worship
[51:49] A revivalist resisting personal glory
[54:08] Bride Ministry + Dan Duval's humility
[56:30] Why transparent leadership is required
[58:43] 'You have an Antichrist spirit' red flag
[59:28] Fear of the Lord + guarding against ego
[1:01:11] Faith on the Fringe: what's coming next

Featured Scripture
Galatians 3:1 (ESV)
"O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified."
Application: Paul's rebuke to the Galatian church establishes that believers can be bewitched. Drawn away from the centrality of Christ and His finished work through false teaching and charismatic personalities. Modern charismatic leaders replicate this ancient deception when they replace Jesus as the focal point of faith with their own authority, anointing, or movement. The correction is the same now as it was then: return your eyes to the crucified and risen Christ.
About Faith on the Fringe
Faith on the Fringe is the only female co-hosted supernatural biblical theology podcast going this deep. Spirit-Filled. Bible-Obsessed. Slightly Unhinged.
Hosted by Leah Steele Barnett and Malaine Lea Butler, both former New Agers, the show covers Nephilim, Watchers, Genesis 6, the Book of Enoch, the Divine Council, pre-Adamic theology, fulfilled eschatology, Christian Zionism critique, the Fivefold Lie, Christian witches and warlocks, and the supernatural worldview Scripture actually assumes.
The trailer drops today. Full season launches April 27, 2026.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/faith-on-the-fringe/id1894554711

Resources and Connect
Faith on the Fringe (NEW SHOW):
Substack: https://faithonthefringe.substack.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe
Email: [email protected]
Leah Steele Barnett:
Amazon Storefront: https://amzn.to/3WscgNe
The Culture Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
A House of Health: https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial
X: https://x.com/theleahsteele
Malaine Lea Butler:
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr
Teachers and Resources Referenced:
Bride Ministry (Dan Duval) — Example of humble, transparent charismatic leadership. Advanced Deliverance Intensive training. https://church.bridemovement.com | https://danduval.com
Scriptures for Further Study
Galatians 3:1 — Paul asks who has bewitched the believers. Foundational for this episode.
2 Timothy 1:7 — The spirit of fear is not of God. Power, love, sound mind is what He gave.
Hosea 4:6 — My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Acts 4:32-5:11 — Ananias and Sapphira. False loyalty and lying to the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 24:24 — Even the elect can be deceived. Stay awake.
1 John 4:1 — Test the spirits. Don't take every spirit at face value.
Proverbs 27:12 — The prudent see danger and take refuge.
Matthew 7:15-20 — You will know them by their fruit. Still the standard.
1 Corinthians 14:29 — Weigh carefully what is said by prophets. Discernment is corporate.
Deuteronomy 13:1-5 — Even if a sign comes to pass, test whether it points to the true God.
Acts 13:6-12 — Paul and Elymas the sorcerer. The apostolic posture toward counterfeit spirit operators.
Call to Action
The Faith on the Fringe trailer dropped today. If this conversation cut close to anything you've felt but couldn't name, go subscribe now. Full season launches April 27 and we're going deeper than this every episode.
Before you move on, take this to the Holy Spirit:
"Holy Spirit, I am open to whatever you need to reveal to me. Drop the veils. Show me if there is bewitchment, false loyalty, or deception in my own life or in any leadership I'm submitted to. I choose the fear of the Lord and loyalty to Jesus Christ of Nazareth above all else. Reveal what needs to be healed, and give me the courage to step away from what is not of the Kingdom."

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Intro
Episode 50 is here and we are going all the way in. Malaine sits down with her sister in Christ, Alziri Clark, for a bold, no-fluff conversation on deliverance ministry, setting the captives free, and what it actually looks like to walk in the authority Jesus already paid for. These two have been moving in similar Kingdom circles for a couple of years, but it was a divine connection at the end of 2025 that brought them together and the fruits from that have been real, powerful, and on full display. If you've ever been told deliverance isn't for Christians, this episode will wreck that lie. Freedom is for everyone. And the saints are the ones called to carry it.
Featured Quote
"Most people that are in that space are actually really bound up." -Malaine Butler
Key Takeaways
Deliverance is not for a special class of super-ministers. Isaiah 61 was what Jesus read in the temple -- and he passed it straight to us. You've got the tools. Go and do it.
Saints are called to raise and equip other saints. If someone at your workplace needs healing and you carry the answer, that is on you to move.
There are real protocols in deliverance ministry that protect you. Never minister one-on-one to someone of the opposite sex without another person present. Alziri learned this firsthand -- and it is a lesson worth hearing.
The enemy will always try to retaliate when you push back darkness. Spiritual warfare is real, it is personal, and you need to be covered.
Getting to do this work alongside other believers -- sitting in on deliverances, watching Jesus move in and through people -- is one of the greatest privileges in ministry life.
Bible Verse
"The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is on me, because the Lord has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners." - Isaiah 61:1
Call to Action
If this episode stirred something in you, do not keep it to yourself. Share it with a woman in your life who needs to know that freedom is real and the authority of Jesus is available right now. Screenshot, tag Malaine on Instagram, and leave a review it helps Kingdom Talk reach more women who need it. And if you are ready to go deeper in your own deliverance walk, head to Eden House and see what is waiting for you.
Connect with Malaine and Eden House: Instagram: @malaine_lea_butler and @xoedenhouse Website: theedenhouse.co

Connect with Alziere: https://www.facebook.com/alziere.clarke
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Summary
The world is not getting quieter. It is getting louder, bolder, and more brazen in its war against our children. Abortion. Gender confusion. Witchcraft embedded in cartoons, toys, and games. The enemy is not hiding anymore. And yet so many mothers are still holding back, worried about being too much, too bold, too zealous for Jesus.
This episode is Malaine's clarion call to the mothers in the Body of Christ. No guests. No filter. Just a holy provocation to rise.

Featured Quote
"The devil is blatant about it -- and you're worried about being zealous for Jesus."
-- Malaine, Kingdom Talk with Malaine

Key Takeaways
God is calling mothers in this hour to step into the Hannah anointing -- an anointing of intercession, dedication, and holy expectation for their children.
Season 2 of Kingdom Talk is themed 'Setting the Captives Free' -- and that freedom starts in our homes.
Worshiping in expectancy is a weapon. Hannah worshiped before the breakthrough. We do the same for our children's destiny and protection.
The cultural landscape is a spiritual battlefield. Abortion, gender mutilation, identity confusion, and witchcraft in mainstream media are signs that mothers must arise NOW.
Being zealous for Jesus is not extreme -- it is the appropriate response to an extreme hour.
Halloween is not neutral. Malaine calls out light parties and church celebrations on October 31 as the same spirit wearing a different costume.
Pray specifically: armor of God over your children, minds of Christ, dismantling enemy assignments, and divine realignment of their friendships.

Bible Verse
"She made a vow and said, 'O Lord of hosts, if You will indeed look on the affliction of Your maidservant... then I will give him to the Lord all the days of his life.'"
1 Samuel 1:11

Call to Action
Warrior Mama, your children need you to arise. Not tomorrow. Now.
If this episode stirred something in you, share it with a mother who needs to hear it. Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And if you are ready to go deeper in your identity and calling, check out MADE: In His Image -- Malaine's 30-day identity bootcamp for women at Eden House.
https://www.theedenhouse.co/made
Instagram: @edenhousexo | @malaine_lea_butler
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Show Review:
What if the thing standing between you and the promised land is something you didn't even know was there? In this powerful episode of Kingdom Talk, host Malaine Lea Butler sits down with Steve and Sarah Turner a married couple who grew up in the faith, loved Jesus their whole lives, and still discovered they needed deliverance. This one will shake something loose in you. In the best way.
QUOTE OF THE EPISODE
"Deliverance isn't the destination. It's a part of the destiny. It helps you get to the destination." -- Steve Turner
KEY TAKEAWAYS
Christians absolutely can carry demonic oppression -- and the enemy has worked overtime to convince the church otherwise. Two people told Steve the same lie the day before his first major deliverance. Coincidence? No.
Growing up saved can create a false sense of security. When you've never hit rock bottom spiritually, it's easy to coast -- even while carrying real bondage in your bloodline, soul wounds, and areas of mixture.
Deliverance is often layered, not a one-time event. Sarah and Steve share how freedom came in waves over months and years -- each layer revealing something deeper, each breakthrough producing more fruit.
Kingdom marriage is a target. The enemy does not care if you go to church on Sunday. He cares deeply about destroying the covenant between a husband and wife, because that union reflects Christ and His bride.
Your identity as a son or daughter of God is the foundation. Deliverance is not about getting demons out so you can perform better for God. It is about clearing the way so you can actually know who you are in Him.
Busyness is one of the enemy's most effective tools -- even kingdom busyness. Malaine, Steve, and Sarah all share how doing good things can become a distraction from the Lord's actual invitation.
SCRIPTURE OF THE EPISODE
"The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free." -- Luke 4:18
CALL TO ACTION
If this episode stirred something in you, if there's a quiet hunger for more freedom, more intimacy, more of Jesus in your actual everyday life don't ignore that. That's the Holy Spirit.
Ask Him today: Lord, is there more? Show me what's in the way.
And if you are married, do this together. Your covenant is powerful and your freedom together is worth fighting for.
Share this episode with a believer you love who might be coasting. Sometimes we need someone to hand us the key to the door we didn't know was locked.
CONNECT WITH US

Connect with Steve and Sarah Turner: https://www.instagram.com/thesanctuarynz/
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Episode Description
There is a difference between honoring the Church… and tolerating bondage.
In this raw and confronting conversation, Malaine is joined by returning guest Jenny Gontchar to expose the spirit of religion that is quietly keeping believers bound, silenced, and misled.
This episode is not anti-Church.
It is anti-bondage.
Together, they unpack the tension many believers feel: loving the Church deeply, while refusing to partner with systems and mindsets that deny the power of true freedom in Christ.
If you have ever been told:
“Christians don’t need deliverance”
“If you’re still struggling, something is wrong with you”
Or felt shut down for being hungry for more of the Holy Spirit
This conversation will liberate you.
Because the blood of Jesus is not powerless.
And your freedom is not optional.
💬 Quote of the Episode
“I'm not opposed to the Church. I'm in love with the Church.
I'm opposed to the spirit of religious bondage that keeps people bound.”
🔑 Key Takeaways
The spirit of religion keeps people performing instead of being transformed
You can love the Church and still confront what is not of God
Deliverance is not a fringe topic, it is part of the Gospel
The blood of Jesus is not a one-time concept, it is a continual invitation into deeper freedom
Many believers are being gaslit out of their healing and deliverance
The Holy Spirit is inviting you into deeper revelation, not suppression
📖 Scripture
John 8:36
“So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.”
🙏 Prayer Moment
Father,
We repent for every place we partnered with limitation, fear, or religious mindset over truth.
We renounce every lie that told us we had to stay bound.
We break agreement with every belief rooted in the wisdom of man instead of the Spirit of God.
Holy Spirit, reveal what needs to be brought into the light.
Jesus, we lay it at Your feet.
Teach us truth.
Lead us into freedom.
In Jesus’ name, Amen.
🚨 Call to Action
If this stirred something in you, don’t ignore it.
👉 Go listen to Jenny’s first episode (her testimony will shake you)
👉 Share this episode with someone who has felt stuck or silenced
👉 Step into deeper freedom and equipping inside Eden House
⏱️ Timestamps
00:00 – Welcome + Jenny returns
03:45 – Why her last episode impacted so many
07:20 – What the spirit of religion actually does
12:10 – Loving the Church vs confronting bondage
18:40 – “Christians don’t need deliverance” lie exposed
25:30 – The misuse of the blood of Jesus
32:15 – Breaking limiting beliefs + prayer moment
40:00 – Invitation into deeper freedom
🔗 Connect with Malaine
Instagram: @malainelea
Join Eden House: www.theedenhouse.co
Join the Deliverance Institute for WOMEN with Malaine Lea Butler and Jenny Goncher
https://app.moonclerk.com/pay/6hzd508ceaa2Year
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