Cory & Brian from the Kansas City Underground discuss the importance of a little structure in supporting decentralized movement work. Towards the end, we talk about a visual that you can’t see on my audio-only podcast, but you can find when they cross-publish this same episode on the KC Underground Podcast: https://kcunderground.org/podcastKC Underground Site: https://kcunderground.org/Hub Primer: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hiH1NrjKPVR7IVeR_3Fxw3PNZ-PkO-S4/view?usp=drivesdkTimestamps (Topics & Quotes)3:53 - The myth of pure decentralization7:57 “You need a commitment to disciple-making first… but eventually you need structure.”9:45 - What are the biggest obstacles in America to legitimate disciple-making movements?12:08 - “Let’s stop worrying about the strategy, let’s just get desperate in prayer that God would move.”15:33 - The importance of perseverance17:34 - Hubs defined20:20 - “If you don’t flourish in your own soul, it won’t spill over into mission.”28:22 - Macro vision vs hyper-local work34:02 - “Jesus has sent me into my particular place, and if I don’t own that, who will?”42:39 - “Don’t be afraid to build something.” This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit pheaney.substack.com
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The Math Behind Movements
I really enjoyed this interview with Chris Keener about a mathematical model behind movements. That sentence alone scared me at first, but diving into his article and then dialoguing the concepts with him has really helped me think through how I’m approaching the task of multiplying disciples.Show Notes:Published Article: A Mathematically Based Model of Disciple Making MovementsPrevious Conversation with Brett Butler about Money and Movements: https://pheaney.substack.com/p/movements-and-moneyTime Stamps, Topics & Quotes:5:33 “before multiplication happens there is a lag where things don’t seem to move”12:10 Two key factors: Receptivity and Relationships21:40 “You control the amount of time that you spend”23:05 Purely scattering seeds will not get you to multiplication25:22 Rejoice if you have a new disciple every 2 years30:15 The math breaks down if we rely on paid professionals35:40 “Do I demand the reward of seeing frequent positive results?” This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit pheaney.substack.com
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Catalysts and Teams
This is a follow-up conversation with Emanuel Prinz about his book “What Actually Starts Movements.” I had some additional questions to ask, and I think you’ll enjoy these key insights about teams, insiders/outsiders, and funding. (Check out minute marks below for specific topics).Here is our previous conversation: https://pheaney.substack.com/p/what-actually-starts-movementsMinute MarksAPEST and Catalytic Teams 4:23Outsiders vs Insiders 12:42Where does the money come from? 19:56Compassion ministry in Western contexts 23:31* An example of a compassion ministry in Western contexts: Kintsugi Hope - https://www.kintsugihope.com/Avoiding Reductionism 27:41* Movement Servants https://www.catalyticleadership.info/post/39-who-can-start-a-movement This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit pheaney.substack.com
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What Actually Starts Movements
When I have conversations with Emanuel Prinz, I feel like I’m sitting down with the equivalent of Jim Collins in the business world. Instead of being satisfied with anecdotal stories, he and a research team have dug into hundreds of Gospel-movements worldwide to see what is actually happening and how we can emulate it.Emanuel Prinz helps ministries grow to movements. Find out more: www.catalyticleadership.info.Find the book we talked about today, "What Actually Starts Movements," on Amazon.Check out his blog & podcast at emanuelprinz.substack.com/aboutContact Emanuel directly: http://www.catalyticleadership.info/contact .Here are some of our discussion points, with time markers if you want to skip ahead.Deep Prayer: How much do movement catalysts actually pray? (15:12)Assertiveness vs Agreeableness (20:45)Influencing others’ beliefs (24:38)How Gospel receptivity affects movements: If the soil is hard, will we ever see a movement? (31:26)Busy-ness: One of the biggest movement blockers (33:46)What about non-catalysts? (39:07)How much time, on average, did it take for a catalyst to see a movement? (43:38)Radical learning (44:39)A final non-challenge (48:22) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit pheaney.substack.com
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Lessons on Strengthening and Sustaining
People on this episode: Guy Caskey, Rodger Guigou Shull, Philip Lynch, and Yours TrulyWe mentioned: Events with Intent, BLT CommunitiesKey moments (so you can jump ahead if you don’t have the capacity to listen to the whole thing.)* 9:37 All boats rise when people get connected.* 20:46 “Serve the purpose of God.”* 29:08 Learning from each other.* 37:17 The danger of over-sending the work* 41:53 Five key learnings (Check pheaney.substack.com for image). This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit pheaney.substack.com
What does No Place Left mean? Can my church start a movement that would cause the gospel to reach every corner of my city? Can I?
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Season 3 - Movement Leaders
Season 4 - Simple Churches
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