Stop the Killing

(Re-Release – Companion Episode)

If you’ve listened to our recent update on Stop the Killing and want a clear, detailed reminder of what actually happened in Uvalde, this episode is for you.

In this companion re-release, former FBI executive and use-of-force expert Katherine Schweit walks listeners through the full factual timeline of the Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde, Texas — drawing directly from the U.S. Department of Justice’s extensive Critical Incident Review.

Rather than headlines or speculation, this episode breaks down:


What law enforcement knew — and when


How an active shooter was repeatedly misclassified as a barricaded subject


The complete 77-minute delay between first police entry and the shooter being stopped


The absence of command and control, despite dozens of officers on scene


Why training, leadership, and communication failures compounded minute by minute


How misinformation spread among responders, families, and medical teams


What the DOJ identified as systemic breakdowns, not individual hindsight errors

This episode also explains — in plain language — the critical difference between:


Active shooter response (immediate engagement to stop the killing), and


Barricaded subject protocols (containment and negotiation)

A distinction that mattered enormously — and tragically — in Uvalde.

For listeners following the current conversation and updates, this episode provides the essential context needed to understand:


Why Uvalde remains a case study in what must never happen again


How failures in leadership and coordination can override training


What lessons the DOJ says must be learned to prevent future loss of life

This is not an opinion piece.It is a fact-driven reconstruction, based on hundreds of pages of official findings, and presented to ensure the truth is understood — not forgotten.

Stop the Killing examines critical incidents involving deadly force through the lens of experience, evidence, and accountability. Hosted by journalist Sarah Ferris and former FBI executive Katherine Schweit, the podcast focuses on what actually happened, why it matters, and how future tragedies can be prevented.

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The Uvalde Verdict: What the Decision Really Means

The verdict is in.

In this episode of Stop the Killing, former FBI executive and use-of-force expert Katherine Schweit breaks down the legal outcome of the Uvalde case — what the verdict establishes, what it doesn’t, and why accountability in cases like this is so often misunderstood.

This is not reactionary commentary. It’s a clear-eyed explanation of how deadly force law, command responsibility, and policy failures intersect — and why public expectations and legal reality rarely align.

🔁 Want the full story?Our comprehensive deep-dive into the Uvalde shooting — covering the full timeline, systemic failures, and command breakdowns — is available right now for Apple and Patreon subscribers and releases tomorrow on the public feed.

In this episode:


What the verdict legally confirms — and what it leaves unresolved


Why criminal and civil accountability don’t operate the same way


How policy failures shaped the outcome


What this case means for future active-shooter response standards

If you want clarity instead of outrage, this episode is essential listening.

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Nearly four years after the Uvalde school shooting, an unprecedented criminal trial is underway.

In this episode of Stop the Killing Podcast, former FBI executive and prosecutor Katherine Schweit examines the prosecution of a responding officer charged with 29 felony counts of abandoning or endangering a child — not for what he did, but for what prosecutors argue he failed to do. 

This fact-based episode explains how failure-to-act cases are judged, what prosecutors must prove, and why this trial could reshape accountability in active shooter responses.

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🎧 UNDERSTANDING DEADLY FORCE — PART TWO

Stop the Killing Podcast | S4E59

If you listened to last week’s bonus episode examining the Minnesota ICE agent shooting — where Katherine Schweit broke down the deadly force standard and whether it was lawful — and found yourself wanting to go deeper into how deadly force policies actually work, this episode is for you.

This is Part Two of our Understanding Deadly Force series, released to add further context and depth to the questions raised by that case — not by revisiting the incident itself, but by examining the policies, training, and human consequences behind deadly force decisions.

Hosts Sarah Ferris and Katherine Schweit are joined again by Jerri Williams, a retired FBI agent with 26 years of service, to explore what happens after a deadly force encounter — and why that aftermath matters just as much as the moment a trigger is pulled.

This episode picks up where Part One left off and focuses on:


Why officers involved in shootings must receive psychological and psychiatric support


How unresolved trauma can endanger officers, partners, and civilians


Why deadly force scenarios are mentally rehearsed — awake and asleep


The reality of firing until a threat is stopped, not “counting shots”


How training protocols evolved after catastrophic shootings


Why civilians are judged differently than law enforcement under deadly force laws


The legal and emotional risks civilians face when carrying and using a firearm


The persistent myth of the “good guy with a gun”

Listeners hear firsthand accounts from FBI agents who survived gunfights and lived with the consequences — not as spectacle, but as institutional knowledge meant to prevent future loss of life.

Public debate around deadly force often focuses on outcomes, not consequences.

This episode asks listeners to consider the weight of responsibility carried by those who use force — and the long shadow those decisions cast over careers, families, and lives.

It is not about defending or condemning any single case.It is about understanding what deadly force truly costs.


Bonus Episode — Minnesota ICE Shooting: Deadly Force Standard Explained


S4E58 — Understanding Deadly Force (Part One)


S4E59 — Understanding Deadly Force (Part Two)



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🎧 Recommended Listening: Go Deeper on Deadly Force

If you’ve just listened to our bonus episode —Minnesota ICE Shooting: Former FBI Agent Explains the Deadly Force Standard — Was It Lawful? —and want to dig deeper into how deadly force decisions are actually made, this episode is the perfect companion.

To better understand the legal, psychological, and operational realities behind law enforcement use of deadly force, we recommend revisiting:

With Retired FBI Agent & Host of FBI Retired Case File Review, Jerri WilliamsStop the Killing Podcast | S4E58

In this powerful episode, hosts Sarah Ferris and Katherine Schweit are joined by Jerri Williams, a retired FBI agent with 26 years of service, to unpack what actually goes into a decision to fire a weapon — long before a single shot is ever taken.

While our Minnesota ICE bonus episode focuses on how deadly force is legally evaluated after the fact, this conversation fills in the gaps by explaining:


What officers are trained to consider before force is used


The FBI’s deadly force policy and decision framework


The psychological burden of carrying a gun every day


Why split-second decisions are shaped by training, stress, and threat perception


Key differences between U.S. and UK law enforcement use-of-force standards

Together, these episodes give listeners a fuller picture of how deadly force decisions are made, reviewed, and judged — without political rhetoric or hindsight bias.


[00:00:00] Why deadly force is so widely misunderstood


[00:03:10] The FBI deadly force policy explained


[00:14:00] The psychological weight of carrying a firearm


[00:20:00] Making split-second life-or-death decisions


[00:30:00] Real FBI case experiences involving deadly force


FBI Retired Case File Review Podcast – hosted by Jerri Williams


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FBI: RUN, HIDE, FIGHT.


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CONmunity Podcast 


Klooghless: The Long Con


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Watching Two Detectives


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