That's Not Real Climbing

This is Charlie’s second time on the podcast and he’s back with a big announcement! For those who aren’t familiar, Charlie preceded Matt Groom as the IFSC/World Climbing commentator. This time, he’s back to talk about the brand new competition series, Pro Climbing League. In this episode, we’ll go over all the details of what a PCL competition will look like, the challenges they faced the past 5 years putting this together, and I’m diving into all the finances as well.Guest links:PCL WebsitePCL InstagramCharlie’s InstagramReference links:Solo Documentary (Kayaking Story)Thank you Mad Rock for sponsoring this episode! Use code 'notrealclimber' for 10% off your ENTIRE order, even if you're a returning customer! https://madrock.com/Learn more about the podcast at www.thatsnotrealclimbingpodcast.comFollow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/thatsnotrealclimbingpodcastJoin the FREE community in Discord! https://discord.gg/QTa668g8zpJoin Patreon for a welcome gift, deleted scenes, and question priority: www.patreon.com/thatsnotrealclimbingpodcastTimestamps of discussion topics0:00 - Intro1:33 - Mad Rock Shoutout!!2:13 - PCL test event3:32 - IFSC/World Climbing Background6:17 - What is Pro Climbing League?11:18 - Live routesetting during a competition15:21 - YOU may be able to compete!19:25 - Hardest part of setting up a climbing league24:25 - Why PCL was started29:16 - AUDIENCE Q: What prompted the head to head format?34:18 - AUDIENCE Q: Did you consult with athletes for this format?40:00 - AUDIENCE Q: Challenges broadcasting this comp?44:22 - Getting sponsor money for the league47:08 - Most expensive part53:00 - AUDIENCE Q: What will the prize money look like?1:00:07 - I'm addicted to the concept of sports betting1:05:08 - What does success look like?1:08:51 - AUDIENCE Q: Future schedule and locations?1:11:18 - AUDIENCE Q: What aspect of the format excited athletes the most?1:14:16 - AUDIENCE Q: Will you use adjustable walls for the comp?1:17:07 - Where to find PCL deets!

Declan and Zoe just competed at the Fukuoka exhibition team event for team USA where they climbed in all 5 boulder and lead rounds! In this episode, we’ll learn about their unorthodox climbing training program here in San Diego, how team selection and strategy worked at Fukuoka, and whether there was added pressure climbing with a team and coach present.Guest links:Declan’s InstagramZoe’s InstagramReference links:Fukuoka Competition PlaylistYank n yard stream: Highball boulders compThank you Mad Rock for sponsoring this episode! Use code 'notrealclimber' for 10% off your ENTIRE order, even if you're a returning customer! https://madrock.com/Learn more about the podcast at www.thatsnotrealclimbingpodcast.comFollow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/thatsnotrealclimbingpodcastJoin the FREE community in Discord! https://discord.gg/QTa668g8zpJoin Patreon for a welcome gift, deleted scenes, and question priority: www.patreon.com/thatsnotrealclimbingpodcastTimestamps of discussion topics0:00 - Intro1:23 - Mad Rock Shoutout!!2:03 - Starting climbing and competing4:48 - Strength training BAD?!10:18 - Japan traveling11:50 - Fukuoka team event selection process14:28 - Difficulty of the climbs18:37 - Talking to the coach during the comp20:59 - Pressure climbing with a coach and teammates23:51 - Team competition strategies28:08 - 5 rounds in 3 days31:06 - First time competing on IFSC livestream33:15 - The stress of youth competitions35:34 - World Cup climbing is uncomfortable40:23 - Lead vs boulder preference44:37 - Future climbing + education goals49:26 - Now we're just glazing San Diego54:41 - Audience Q: Anything you would've wanted to change with the team event?58:59 - AUDIENCE Q: Memories/advice from youth training?1:02:17 - Being known as the "benchwarmers' benchwarmers"1:03:08 - Outdoor goals1:05:17 - Beating Elden Ring1:06:28 - Relationship advice from 18 year olds!1:09:13 - Words of wisdom + where to find Zoe and Declan

You may have heard of him as the slab master, but Hannes is a climber on Team Belgium who just recently got silver in boulder at Arco Rockmasters and also won a bronze in Innsbruck this past 2025 season! In this episode, we’ll go over his 2025 season, get his tips on slab climbing, and learn about how he tries to stay in the right mindset during stressful competitions.Guest links:Hannes’ InstagramReference links:Amazing Arco Rockmaster Slab TopThe Backflip of AngerThank you Mad Rock for sponsoring this episode! Use code 'notrealclimber' for 10% off your ENTIRE order, even if you're a returning customer! https://madrock.com/Learn more about the podcast at www.thatsnotrealclimbingpodcast.comFollow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/thatsnotrealclimbingpodcastJoin the FREE community in Discord! https://discord.gg/QTa668g8zpJoin Patreon for a welcome gift, deleted scenes, and question priority: www.patreon.com/thatsnotrealclimbingpodcastTimestamps of discussion topics0:00 - Intro1:12 - Mad Rock Shoutout!!1:56 - Elbow surgery!4:20 - Rockmasters reflection10:55 - Getting into climbing and competing 15:27 - Transitioning out of youth comps17:24 - 2025 season reflection22:41 - Comps are going back to old-school climbs26:08 - Instagram influencing world cups28:44 - Staying in shape throughout a long competition season32:10 - Lead vs boulder preference35:43 - Training schedule + lifting vs gaining weight43:12 - Pressure being the slab master47:31 - Top slab tips49:45 - The fickle mental game of comps52:58 - Power of visualization for mindset56:55 - The backflip of anger!!1:00:16 - Taking his driving test1:05:03 - 2026 goals1:06:44 - AUDIENCE Q: What is the language situation in team Belgium?1:09:37 - AUDIENCE Q: Do you think calisthenics/gymnastics is necessary now in comp climbing?1:11:35 - AUDIENCE Q: How to stay calm during competitions?1:16:43 - Words of wisdom + where to find Hannes

Ben is a climber on Team USA and hold shaper for Pusher holds! In this episode we’ll get some insight into the grades of world cup boulders, how depression, anxiety, and ADHD shapes his relationship with climbing, how he balances working as a routesetter with training, and get his thoughts on hold shaping.Guest links:Ben’s InstagramReference links:Seoul World Champs Boulder SemisThe Boss holdThank you Mad Rock for sponsoring this episode! Use code 'notrealclimber' for 10% off your ENTIRE order, even if you're a returning customer! https://madrock.com/Learn more about the podcast at www.thatsnotrealclimbingpodcast.comFollow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/thatsnotrealclimbingpodcastJoin the FREE community in Discord! https://discord.gg/QTa668g8zpJoin Patreon for a welcome gift, deleted scenes, and question priority: www.patreon.com/thatsnotrealclimbingpodcastTimestamps of discussion topics0:00 - Intro1:10 - Mad Rock Shoutout!!1:53 - World champs experience11:51 - Difficulty of semis boulders at world cups18:33 - Getting into climbing and competing22:36 - Climbing as self-medication for ADHD30:20 - Training routine...or lack thereof38:44 - Actually a lead climber45:21 - MORE power boulders!51:55 - Competitiveness with Colin55:11 - Becoming a hold shaper59:00 - Good holds vs bad holds1:09:54 - Thoughts on no tex1:20:05 - 2026 goals1:21:56 - AUDIENCE Q: Did you really start climbing at 2?1:26:19 - AUDIENCE Q: What kept you motivated to keep trying after failures at nationals1:30:53 - AUDIENCE Q: What local climbers helped you growing up?1:33:51 - Shoutouts + where to find Ben

Annie is a climber on Team USA and she had an amazing world cup season this year with 2 boulder golds and a lead gold and even more podiums! In this episode we’ll learn about what goes through her mind during her crazy beta breaks, what her training routine looks like, and how gym access really influences performance.Guest links:Annies’s InstagramAnnie’s Xiaohungshu (red book)Reference links:Women’s Boulder Final Seoul World ChampsThank you Mad Rock for sponsoring this episode! Use code 'notrealclimber' for 10% off your ENTIRE order, even if you're a returning customer! https://madrock.com/Learn more about the podcast at www.thatsnotrealclimbingpodcast.comFollow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/thatsnotrealclimbingpodcastJoin the FREE community in Discord! https://discord.gg/QTa668g8zpJoin Patreon for a welcome gift, deleted scenes, and question priority: www.patreon.com/thatsnotrealclimbingpodcastTimestamps of discussion topics0:00 - Intro0:56 - Mad Rock Shoutout!!1:39 - Jetlag + travels5:29 - Growing up in a climbing family7:09 - Static + slow climbing style10:07 - Regretting static beta breaks??12:08 - Timing out in lead18:22 - 2026 goals20:49 - Annie's training plan24:32 - Lack of gym access27:43 - Post-high school plans30:22 - Outdoor climbing33:38 - AUDIENCE Q: Can you still be an elite climber without passion?35:43 - Audience Q: Mindset during comps?41:36 - AUDIENCE Q: Tips for endurance?42:26 - Audience Q: Advice on how to break dynos?43:23 - AUDIENCE Q: Is it hard previewing climbs with other athletes?45:57 - Outro and where to find Annie