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- Please join Dani Joy and me, Ande, as we continue to discuss spiritual trauma and adoption, with the book Holy Hurt by Hilary McBride PhD as a scaffold. The foundation has been established, and now we are beginning the section of the book that discusses actively processing our trauma. We are working through this in real time, unscripted. Let us know if any of this feels familiar!
Dani is a mother of loss to adoption, a homesteader and a writer. She loves to hear from people. She can be found at: https://medium.com/@danijoy
https://substack.com/@danijoy
https://www.facebook.com/joyfuldj
https://www.hillarylmcbride.com/
https://www.healthcentral.com/mental-health/get-help-mental-health
The opinions of the host and their guest are just that, their opinions
The host is not a lawyer, a therapist or an adoption professional
Thank you for listening! I am terrible at titles. Continuing the conversation about spiritual trauma as people impacted by adoption
24/08/2026 | 48 mins.Yes, I am terrible at titles, and hate to mislead. Just laying that out there.
Dani Joy, mother of loss to adoption and me, late discovery adopted person (as well as an intercountry adoptee from foster care in the UK to the US) continue to talk about deconstructing from the adoption narrative and from religious and spiritual trauma. What do they have to do with each other? Family loss is a profound spiritual trauma, and the belief systems we grew up in promote and glorify family loss via adoption.
Dani can be found at: https://medium.com/@danijoy
Dani enjoys hearing from people.
We are using the book Holy Hurt as a scaffold for our conversation. The book and information about the author can be found at: https://www.hillarylmcbride.com/holy-hurt
Mentioned in the episode:
https://drlauraeanderson.com/
Moms and adopted people are overrepresented in statistics for mental health issues, including suicidal ideation. Isolation and grief are two issues that profoundly impact our community. If you are in need of support, please reach out to someone. I am including some links to mental health helplines, as well as the link to Concerned United Birthparents and to Saving our Sisters. If anyone is aware of any adoptee -centric helplines that are not in some way controlled by the adoption industry, please let me know. Thank you!
https://rainn.org/
https://www.healthcentral.com/mental-health/get-help-mental-health
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/
https://concernedunitedbirthparents.org/
https://www.savingoursistersadoption.org/
Saving our Sisters and CUB are not mental healthcare providers, but are or are aware of support groups and resources for moms.
The opinions of the host and their guest are just that, their opinions
The host is not a lawyer, a therapist or an adoption professional
Thank you for listening!- Hi! Please join me and my guest host Dani Joy as we continue with the next section of our conversation on spiritual trauma from our perspectives as a mother of loss to adoption and as a late discovery adopted person, raised in white, Christian contexts.
Dani Joy is a mom and a homesteader. She can be found at:https://medium.com/@danijoy
https://www.hillarylmcbride.com/holy-hurt
Mentioned in the episode:
https://editionsdujournal.groupelivre.com/products/ne-mappelez-pas-roxana?variant=48067092021505
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=core+emotions+chart&form=HDRSC3&first=1
https://buddhistlearning.org/how-to-meditate-a-beginners-guide-to-buddhist-meditation/ This is a beginners quide to Buddhist meditation principles. Including this here is not an endorsement of a religion or a religious practice. This is provided because it includes what I was taught when attending meditation sessions at a local Buddhist monastery.
Exploring our emotions, learning to recognize and to name them, can be overwhelming if we are not used to doing so. If you are feeling dysregulated or distressed, please seek support. I am including here links to some resources that might align with your needs.
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/
https://rainn.org/
https://www.healthcentral.com/mental-health/get-help-mental-health
The opinions of the host and their guest are just that, their opinions.
The host is not a lawyer, a therapist or an adoption professional.
Thank you for listening! - Please join us as we continue our conversation around spiritual trauma and adoption as we work our way through the book Holy Hurt: Understanding Spiritual Trauma and the Process of Healing by Hillary L McBride PhD . Todays' episode explores the concept of spiritual bypassing as a coping mechanism to avoid feeling our core emotions. Joining me again today is Dani Joy, mom, homesteader, exvangelical.
Dani can be found at: https://medium.com/@danijoy
https://hillarylmcbride.com/holy-hurt-book/
https://www.healthcentral.com/mental-health/get-help-mental-health
The opinions of the host and their guest are just that, their opinions.
The host is not a lawyer, a therapist or an adoption professional.
Thank you for listening! - Please join Dani Joy and I as we delve into the core emotions and how we are born with these crucial forms of communication. We continue to explore how adoption and spiritual trauma intersect, using the book Holly Hurt as a framework for our discussion.
Dani Joy can be found at: https://medium.com/@danijoy
https://hillarylmcbride.com/holy-hurt-book/
Mentioned in the episode:
https://www.relinquishedbook.com/
https://savingoursistersadoption.org/saving-our-sisters-about-us/
https://thefamilypreservationproject.com/
https://www.healthcentral.com/mental-health/get-help-mental-health
The opinions of the host and their guest are just that, their opinions
The host is not a lawyer, a therapist or an adoption professional
Thank you for listening!
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