The Market Gardener Podcast

In this episode, Jean-Martin and Chris sit down with Linley Dixon, co-director of the Real Organic Project and a farmer/soil scientist, for a deep conversation about the future of organic agriculture. Linley shares how corporate interests, hydroponic systems, and regulatory loopholes are reshaping the meaning of “organic,” and why many farmers are working to protect the integrity of the label. The discussion explores the tensions between small farms and industrial-scale organic production, the economic realities farmers face, and why grassroots action may be the most powerful path forward. Along the way, the conversation dives into soil health, common myths around no-till and regenerative practices, and the science behind resilient farming systems. 

Timestamps
[02:37] Meet Linley Dixon (Real Organic Project)
[07:56] The hidden problems inside the organic industry
[10:25] Hydroponic systems vs soil-grown organic farming
[15:23] From scientist to farmer: Linley Dixon’s journey
[20:14] The origin of the Real Organic Project
[31:31] Why farmers are joining the Real Organic certification movement
[37:10] The real cost of food: Why organic seems expensive
[41:16] Corporate consolidation and power in the food system
[45:25] Market saturation and the challenge for new small farms
[48:11] Industrial “organic” eggs and certification loopholes
[56:42] Building a farmer-led movement to protect organic
[01:07:24] Organic certification: Does the label still matter?
[01:17:37] Inside Linley’s greenhouse system (high-yield tomato production)
[01:31:03] Soil science explained: Mycorrhizae, tillage, and no-till myths
[01:47:37] Local food vs global food systems
[01:53:53] Rapid fire: books, advice, and lessons from farming

Sponsors
Real Organic Project: Get Involved. Get Certified. Join the movement to fight the co-opting of organic.
https://realorganicproject.org/

Tunnel Vision Hoops: Request a custom quote!
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Activevista: Specialised Tools and Seeds for Diversified Crop and Home Growers
https://www.activevista.com.au/ 

Links/Resources
Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com 
Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass 
Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter
Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog 
Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books
Growers & Co: https://growers.co
Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/
The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/

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Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute 
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Guest Social Media Links
Linley Dixon: 
Website: https://realorganicproject.org/ 
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realorganicproject/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/adobehousefarm 
JM:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier

In this episode, we sit down with Tara Couture, author of Radiance of the Ordinary, to explore how her farming journey has reshaped her understanding of life, death, and what it means to live with reverence. From raising and harvesting animals with deep care to questioning industrial food systems, Tara speaks about the sacred responsibility of participating directly in the cycles that feed us. Rather than speaking of “healing,” she embraces the coexistence of joy and sorrow, and the quiet hope found in small, radiant moments. We also discuss writing as a clarifying practice, the limits of social media, and the importance of real human connection. Above all, this conversation is a reminder that beauty and meaning are often found in the most ordinary parts of life.
Tara's book: Radiance of the Ordinary

Timestamps
[2:40] Discovering Radiance of the Ordinary and returning to the land after a fractured childhood.
[7:20] From vegetarianism to sacred harvest: learning from a cattleman mentor and rethinking death.
[14:50] The moral weight of killing animals and the responsibility of humane, on-farm slaughter.
[20:45] Death as a teacher: how mortality deepens presence and gratitude for ordinary moments.
[24:00] Writing as clarity: Substack, storytelling, and resisting the noise of social media.
[39:30] Grief and the calves: losing a daughter and being gently tethered back to life.
[55:05] Industrial abattoirs, ethics of meat, and why participation matters.
[1:08:10] Beauty, craftsmanship, and creating spaces that feel alive and rooted in place.
[1:25:15] Homesteading online: comparison, illusion, and the cost of digital validation.
[1:47:30] Rapid fire Q&A

Sponsors
Real Organic Project: Get Involved. Get Certified. Join the movement to fight the co-opting of organic.
Felco:  Get 10% off your next purchase with the code MARKET10.

Links/Resources
Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com 
Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass 
Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter
Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog 
Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books
Growers & Co: https://growers.co
Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/
The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/

Follow Us
Website: http://themarketgardener.com 
Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute 
Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners 

Guest Social Media Links
Tara Couture: 
Website: https://www.slowdownfarmstead.com/ 
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/slowdownfarmstead/?hl=en 
Substack: https://www.slowdownfarmstead.com/    
JM:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier

In this solo episode, Jean-Martin Fortier reflects on the emotional and ethical dimensions of small-scale farming, especially in the quieter months after a demanding season. He shares why the growing season often requires farmers to simply push through challenges, and why the off-season is the right time to revisit what was hard, both practically and emotionally. Drawing from personal experience, he explores burnout, resilience, and the importance of rest, reflection, and continuous improvement. The episode then turns toward the ethics of local agriculture and the role of human-scale, decentralized food systems in shaping a more resilient future. Jean-Martin closes by revisiting the original vision behind The Market Gardener and why farming remains a meaningful act of commitment to ecology, community, and lifestyle.

Timestamps
[5:12] A personal encounter that reveals burnout behind meaningful food system work.
[9:05] Finishing the season exhausted, uncertain, and emotionally spent.
[12:10] Why the off-season is the right moment to revisit what was hard.
[17:50] Learning to live with hardship, money stress, and long-term resilience.
[26:20] Shifting into winter mode and reflecting on the ethics of local agriculture.
[32:05] Books and thinkers that shaped Jean-Martin’s views on local and human-scale farming.
[44:55] Revisiting the conclusion of The Market Gardener and closing reflections.

Sponsors
Real Organic Project: Get Involved. Get Certified. Join the movement to fight the co-opting of organic.

Activevista: Specialized Tools and Seeds for Diversified Crop and Home Growers

Tunnel Vision Hoops: Request a custom quote!
tunnelvisionhoops.com | 833-886-6351

Market Gardener Institute: Join the Masterclass waiting list today!

Links/Resources
Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com 
Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass 
Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter
Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog 
Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books
Growers & Co: https://growers.co
Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/
The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/

Follow Us
Website: http://themarketgardener.com 
Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute 
Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners 

Guest Social Media Links
JM:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier

In this episode, we sit down with Francisco Vio of ‘Huerto Cuatro Estaciones’ farm in Chile, to explore the wild world of living and farming in remote Patagonia. From early mentors in Ecuador to building an organic farm at the edge of the world, Francisco shares how beauty, land stewardship, and community have shaped his choices. The conversation weaves together farming, conservation, and the influence of figures like Doug Tompkins who helped create some of the world’s largest protected wilderness areas. Francisco reflects on how small-scale market gardening fits in to the vision and context of national parks and he reminds us that farming is not just a business, but a way of life; a beautiful way of life.

Timestamps
[6:45] A life-changing stay on an organic farm in Ecuador and the role of early mentors.
[12:40] Discovering small-scale organic farming and the search for a meaningful way of life.
[18:05] Doug Tompkins, conservation, and the creation of national parks in Patagonia.
[26:30] Choosing to farm in extreme isolation and what it demands on a daily basis.
[33:20] Living far from markets: logistics, importing tools, and building local solutions.
[40:15] Farming as a cultural act: beauty, place, and community beyond productivity.
[48:10] Why staying small matters and resisting the pressure to scale at all costs.
[55:30] Learning from global farm visits and the value of traveling to stay inspired.
[1:03:40] Parenthood, responsibility, and redefining success as a farmer.
[1:11:55] Failure, long-term vision, and committing fully to a chosen path.
[1:13:28] Rapid fire Q&A: books, advice to young farmers, food, and pivotal life decisions.

Sponsors
Real Organic Project: Get Involved. Get Certified. Join the movement to fight the co-opting of organic.
Activevista: Specialised Tools and Seeds for Diversified Crop and Home Growers
Market Gardener Institute: Join the Masterclass waiting list today!

Links/Resources
Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com 
Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass 
Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter
Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog 
Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books
Growers & Co: https://growers.co
Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/
The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/

Follow Us
Website: http://themarketgardener.com 
Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute 
Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners 

Guest Social Media Links

Francisco Vio:
Website: https://huertocuatroestaciones.cl
Instagram: https://instagram.com/huertocuatroestaciones 
Facebook: https://web.facebook.com/huertocuatroestaciones 
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@huertocuatroestaciones5844 
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/105164245 

JM:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier

In this episode, we sit down with Woody DeLauder, founder of Rootbound Farms, a small but highly productive suburban farm based in Southern Maryland. Woody shares how he transformed his suburban lawn into a thriving, human-powered market garden that generates over $100K annually, with the help of his secret best-seller: handmade soap, all while navigating zoning restrictions, skeptical neighbors, and the realities of farming in a residential neighborhood. 
We explore Woody’s journey from being a fourth and fifth grade teacher to becoming a full-time grower and entrepreneur, and how growing food in his front yard became a catalyst for rebuilding community in the suburbs. Woody reflects on the cultural challenges of suburban life, the loss of shared spaces, and how food production can reconnect neighbors through visibility, conversation, and generosity. 
Rootbound Farms: https://www.rootboundfarms.com/ 

Timestamps
[0:00] Intro
[3:40] The good, the bad, and the ugly of social media 
[7:30] What’s broken in modern suburbia and the idea of “living room kids”
[13:00] Turning lawns into gardens and rethinking suburban norms
[19:30] Front-yard farming, neighbor resistance, and zoning challenges
[27:15] Building community through visibility, food, and conversation
[35:30] From teacher to farmer: changing careers and redefining success
[43:00] Farm economics: small footprint, low overhead, and real revenue
[52:30] Influences from Curtis Stone, Eliot Coleman, and small-scale pioneers
[1:01:00] Social media, virality, and the cost of visibility
[1:23:40] Seasonality, local food culture, and rebuilding appreciation for real food
[1:29:00] Long-term vision: education, community farms, and inclusive spaces
[1:44:50] Rapid Fire Q&A: books, advice, influences, and staying small

Sponsors
Real Organic Project: Get Involved. Get Certified. Join the movement to fight the co-opting of organic.
Johnny’s Selected Seeds: Sign up for Johnny’s newsletter to receive the latest news, products, and more. New members get $10 off their next order of $50 or more!
Market Gardener Institute: Join the Masterclass waiting list today!

Links/Resources
Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com 
Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass 
Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter
Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog 
Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books
Growers & Co: https://growers.co
Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/
The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/

Follow Us
Website: http://themarketgardener.com 
Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute 
Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners 

Guest Social Media Links

Rootbound Farms:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rootboundfarms/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@OurRootboundLife
Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@rootboundfarms?_t=8h03SuFkTBD&_r=1
Website: https://www.rootboundfarms.com/ 

JM:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier