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[Trailer] The New Season of Cosmosis Is Coming Soon
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[The Great Dangerous Books Podcast] Jacques Vallée's 'Messengers of Deception' with Kelly Chase
Fan favorite, James Madden, has a brand new project with his brilliant co-host Jared Zimmerer called The Great Dangerous Books Podcast. Check out this episode to catch the vibe of the show, and if you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.
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In this episode, Jim and Jared discuss the complexities of the UFO phenomenon with special guest Kelly Chase, focusing on Jacques Vallee's influential work 'Messengers of Deception.' They explore themes of manipulation, the unconscious, and the power of images in shaping belief systems. The conversation delves into the psychological impact of UFO experiences, the dangers of ontological shock, and the need for critical thinking in the field of ufology. Throughout, they emphasize the importance of self-awareness and the challenges of integrating extraordinary experiences into one's worldview.
TIMESTAMPS
01:28 Introducing Kelly Chase and Her Work
03:09 Exploring Jacques Vallee's 'Messengers of Deception'
05:17 Vallee's Perspective on UFOs and Manipulation
09:47 The Reliability of Jacques Vallee
12:05 The Nature of Reality and Ideological Structures
15:04 The Impact of Ontological Shock
18:45 The Role of the Unconscious in UFO Phenomena
22:08 The Dangers of Manipulation and Belief Systems
27:44 Connecting Modernity and Public Manipulation
32:56 The Internet's Oppenheimer: Valet's Perspective
35:32 The Power of Images and Human Manipulation
39:57 Gnosticism and the Quest for Knowledge
44:05 The Nature of UFO Phenomena and Human Belief
47:35 The Intersection of Science and Mythology
52:11 Critical Inquiry and the Nature of Belief
55:32 The Joy of Inquiry and the Dangers of Ufology
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Ep 12: Magic, Consciousness, and Anomalous Reality with Mitch Horowitz
In this episode of Cosmosis, Jay Christopher King sits down with historian and esoteric scholar Mitch Horowitz for a wide-ranging conversation about magic, consciousness, and the anomalous. He is the author of numerous books Occult America, The Miracle Club, and Practical Magick, Mitch is a singular voice who bridges the academy, pop culture, and the esoteric underground with rare clarity and rigor.
Together, they explore:
The convergence between magical practice and parapsychology
Ritual as an experimental interface with anomalous phenomena
The significance of emotional investment and “skin in the game” in psi effects
Chaos magic, sigils, and how to test magical practice for yourself
Ethics in magic and the overlooked power of reciprocity
Sexual transmutation and sex magic as tools of transformation
The strange reality of retrocausality and backwards time effects
The cultural blind spots of mainstream science and skepticism
Mitch’s pivotal experience editing The Super Natural with Whitley Strieber and Jeff Kripal
This episode offers a powerful invitation to take magic seriously—not as superstition, but as a methodology of intention, experimentation, and meaning-making. Whether you’re a seasoned practitioner or an experiencer just starting to make sense of your reality, Mitch’s grounded, historically informed approach opens new doors.
🎧 Listen if you’re curious about:
How magical frameworks might stabilize or map high-strangeness phenomena
What it means to “test” magic—and why your results might come dressed in the unexpected
How to reclaim personal agency in the face of ontological shock
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TIMESTAMPS04:55 Diving into the Conversation with Mitch Horowitz05:20 Exploring the Intersection of Magic and Ufology23:01 Mitch Horowitz's Journey into Magic26:51 Ethics and Practical Magic37:08 Introduction to Sil Magic37:51 Origins and Practice of Sil Magic39:30 The Role of Climax in Sil Magic41:26 Anarchic Magic and Deity Petition43:55 Exploring Sex Magic48:48 Sex Transmutation Techniques52:19 Backwards Causation and Time01:06:10 Parapsychology and JB Rhine's Experiments01:11:19 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Ep 11: UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure
In this special episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase presents an updated version of her 2025 Contact in the Desert keynote, “UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure.” This talk goes beyond the surface of the UFO phenomenon to explore the hidden architecture of secrecy and the sophisticated mechanics of narrative control.
Drawing from deep research into intelligence tradecraft, counterintelligence, and disinformation—along with firsthand interactions with members of the intelligence community—Kelly unpacks how belief itself becomes a weapon in the battle for truth. From psychological operations to perception management, from limited hangouts to the “secret onion” model of secrecy, this episode reveals how our search for answers is being actively shaped, steered, and contained.
But this isn’t a story about villains. It’s a call to responsibility. Kelly challenges listeners to reclaim their intellectual sovereignty, resist easy answers, and build discernment in an information landscape designed to confuse. Whether you're a skeptic, experiencer, journalist, or just UFO-curious, this talk will change how you see not just the phenomenon—but the stories we tell about it.
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TIMESTAMPS
02:55 The Role of Intelligence in UFO Narratives
07:42 The Complexity of Secrecy and Perception Management
16:08 The Secret Onion: Layers of Deception
26:35 The Scale and Impact of Institutionalized Secrecy
37:31 Heroes, Villains, and Controlled Opposition
45:58 The Power of Sincere Belief
48:10 The Hero Trap in UFO Narratives
50:47 Counterintelligence and Narrative Control
54:14 The 80-20 Rule in Disinformation
55:49 Limited Hangouts and Perception Management
01:00:54 Character Assassination and Narrative Flooding
01:08:03 The Weaponization of Belief
01:14:50 Reclaiming Intellectual Sovereignty
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Reality isn’t what you’ve been told.
Cosmosis is your portal to the edge of what we know—and what we don’t. Hosted by writer and researcher Kelly Chase (The UFO Rabbit Hole) and lifelong experiencer and filmmaker Jay Christopher King (The Experiencer Group), this podcast explores the mysteries of UFOs, non-human intelligence, consciousness, the paranormal, and the hidden architectures of reality.
We’re not here for manufactured narratives about UFO disclosure or sanitized intelligence community talking points. We’re after the real story—one that’s far stranger, far more beautiful, and far more transformative than we've ever been told.
Each episode brings you in-the-field conversations and deep-dive interviews with experiencers, researchers, scientists, and visionaries—people pushing the boundaries of what’s possible and reimagining what it means to be human.
If you’ve ever felt the signal beneath the noise… if you’re ready to question everything and follow that signal into the unknown—you’re in the right place.
This is Cosmosis.
Come with us.
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