Dumb Smart Mums
Abbey Suyker-Harrison and Charlotte Kells Robertson

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- A HUGE thank you to Little Beat First Aid for sponsoring this episode of Dumb Smart Mums. If you're looking for accessible, evidence-based, not terrifying first aid, look no further than Little Beat. Shrenika and her team are so wonderful, and we have both used Shrenika's awesome education on multiple occasions to know what to do when our kiddies have been sick. You can find their website here, and their instagram here. Don't forget to use code DSM10 at checkout for 10% off anything on the Little Beat website, or mention this episode at inquiry for 10% off a private booking. TYSM LBFA, ILY!
Content forecast: this conversation touches on domestic violence and perinatal mental health. We wanted to provide a couple of links if you feel you need support for either of those topics. If you are in immediate crisis or harm, please do not hesitate to call 111:
Family Violence Support
Mental Health Crisis Support
Perinatal Anxiety & Depression Aotearoa
Heeeey, how y'all doing! Are we back the weekend after fathers day to talk about our frustrations with the dads? Yeah, we certainly are. Look, we can't help how the cookie crumbles, it's just how it happened. Today Charlotte talks to us about a common critique she gets of her work and why she thinks it isn't valid. Meanwhile Abbey gets the conversation off track, as per.
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Ok, we love you, don't cancel us, see you in two weeks! - YAY DR KELLS ROBERTSON! A HERO WALKS AMONG US.
We're all human, and sometimes the world can get on top of us a bit. If you need immediate help for your mental health please call:
1737 (Need to talk?): Free call or text 1737 anytime to talk with a trained counsellor.
Lifeline: Call 0800 543 354 or free text 4357 (HELP).
Suicide Crisis Helpline: Call 0508 828 865 (0508 TAUTOKO) for dedicated suicide prevention support.
Samaritans: Call 0800 726 666 for confidential support when feeling lonely or in extreme distress.
Depression Helpline: Call 0800 111 757 or free text 4202.
If you or someone you know is at immediate risk of harm, please call 111. That's what our first responders are there for.
If you aren't in crisis, but are struggling with your mental health please go and see your GP.
If you would like more information on Perinatal Mental Health in Aotearoa you can find the PADA website here. And if you feel compelled to do so, you can donate to PADA here (lord knows the government ain't funding this crucial service).
Okay, that's about it from us! Look after yourselves. Check in on your Mum Pals. See you in two weeks. The So-Called "Economy" Has Ruined it for Everyone (the Motherhood Penalty/Having it All Myth Episode)
10/08/2026 | 1h 42 mins.Join hosts Abbey & Charlotte this week as we sit down together and have a vulnerable chat about our frustrations with being working mothers, and the roadblocks we've encountered trying to "have it all" (the way we are repeatedly told we can).
Apologies for the coughs and splutters, but there are only so many things we can edit around, and honestly the edit just sounds robotic if we end up taking every noise out of it.
We hope that this episode can bring anyone feeling the same some kind of comfort.
See you in two weeks, thanks for being here x
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If you enjoy our work and would like to koha it, you can buy us a coffee here: https://buymeacoffee.com/dumbsmartmumsHow Do We Know the Monkeys Aren't Feeling Pain? (the Natural Birth vs Medicalisation of Birth Episode)
27/07/2026 | 2h 39 mins.This episode of Dumb Smart Mums was kindly sponsored by Viva La Vulva. We could not be more grateful to VLV for sponsoring today's ep, but also for the amazing mahi and products they have! Both of our vulvas have benefitted from their beautiful products, so we stand by their range! If you or someone you know is about to have a pēpi, use code DSM at checkout for a cheeky discount! Thank you, VLV!
So, there's a big old announcement today eeeeep! But if you're just here for the cOnTeNt, then we crack into the episode at 33:16, so jump on forward.
We're back again and oops there are a few tech difficulties SOZ. We are a social worker/academic, unfortunately not tech whizzes. So editing Abbey tried her very best, but the sound towards the end of the ep is a bit funky. Aroha mai, but pls stick with us because the episode is a goodie. We know what the issue was, so it won't happen again!
Thank you so much for being here and listening, it's blowing our damn minds every time. xoxoxoxo
The two podcasts that Charlotte recommends are:
- In Bed With The Right - the Natural Birth Movement episode
- The Rest is History - the History of Childbirth
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See you in two weeks!!!!- This episode was sponsored by the absolute babes at CF Creations! If you're in the market for a mirror that is kiwi-manufactured without the mark ups, they're the place. Check out their full range at their website here. Use code DSM for 10% off at check out and THANK US LATER!! xoxo
Well, well, well, look who dared to show their faces on the internet again for another episode. We were very nervous to share our opinions, so we thought what better way to do exposure therapy than tackling the 'breast is best' belief!
We're so grateful for all the love, and follows, and comments, and reviews, and kind messages we got after the first episode, and we are just so excited to see where DSM goes from here.
A huge shout out Dr Beth Shore who helped me with some of the biology details for this episode, go and check out her instagram here. She's the lady with non-judgemental, evidence-based lactation advice, and for that we are so grateful.
Also, a very big thank you to my colleagues who helped me gather my thoughts for this episode. I promised not to name you, but I am so grateful for your wisdom. And just so, so thrilled that your patients navigating the minefield that is infant feeding are being carried so beautifully by you guys.
Follow us on our social media to keep up with the behind the scenes chaos, images that were mentioned in today's topic, meme dumps, episode previews, and ongoing discussions:
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If you enjoy our work and would like to koha it, you can buy us a coffee here: https://buymeacoffee.com/dumbsmartmums
See you in two weeks!!!!
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About Dumb Smart Mums
Oh, HEY! Welcome to the Dumb Smart Mums podcast. The podcast where your hosts, Abbey and Charlotte, take you through everything and anything on the minds of contemporary mothers today. Equal parts silly and dumb, smart and insightful, but always evidence-based, accessible, and FUN. Each fortnight we'll don our respective social worker and academia caps, and cover different topics from momfluencers to feminist theory. We'll take you along as we figure out the answers around why motherhood is both the greatest and (sometimes) the worst thing we have ever experienced.
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