Price of Fame – Do famous coffees help the rest of the industry
This week we talk about fame—how it shapes perception in both pop culture and coffee. From the awkwardness of Will Smith trying to rap again to Hacienda Esmeralda’s Geisha selling for record prices at Best of Panama, we dig into how notoriety creates visibility, drives value, and raises the ceiling for everyone.
Fame isn’t always comfortable, but it opens doors. Whether it’s an actor or a coffee producer, once you’re known, you change the market around you. Instead of resenting that spotlight, the challenge is to use it as inspiration—to shine light on others and expand what gets celebrated.
🔖 Chapters –
00:00 Will Smith - Hot or not
02:53 Hard to be famous
09:03 Best of Panama Auction results
10:28 The rediscovery of Gesha according to chris
11:49 What are people angry about
13:58 The issue with coffees that sell at auction
20:13 Are auction coffees really a problem?
🔗 Links –
Cat & Cloud:
Instagram www.instagram.com/catcloudcoffee/
Webstore www.catandcloud.com/
Chris Baca’s Personal Blog: www.chrisbaca.com/
We are Cat & Cloud Coffee. Started by three friends trying to pursue their passions with the mission to inspire connection by creating memorable experiences, and we created this podcast to continue forming those connections inside and out of our cafes.
The Cat & Cloud podcast was created as a space for us to share our experiences in the coffee industry and starting a business. Each week we sit down to talk about new challenges as business owners, how we utilize our mission and values to make decisions, and answer questions from our listening community. If you’re looking to expand your coffee knowledge, get some advice for your own small business, or just like the vibes, give us a listen!
Enjoy!
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PM the Show – How maintaining your space improves everything
This week we talk about the idea of “plussing the show.” The practice of constantly reinvesting in your space so it feels alive, intentional, and cared for. From small design updates to preventative maintenance, we dig into how these choices impact not just the look of a café but also the energy of the team and the experience of every guest who walks in.
At its core, the conversation is about showing your guests and team members that you’re paying attention. Cleanliness, organization, and little upgrades aren’t just details; they’re the signals that a business values quality, consistency, and care. And those signals, over time, become the real difference-maker.
🔖 Chapters –
00:09 Peet's under new ownership
04:27 Ritual’s 20 year reunion
08:21 Improving our space
11:20 Plussing the show
17:49 Lifecycle of a cafe
21:55 Plussing price tag
28:04 Key things to maintain
33:51 The power of a reach out
36:55 Baca's rant on espresso machine Cleanliness
🔗 Links –
Cat & Cloud:
Instagram www.instagram.com/catcloudcoffee/
Webstore www.catandcloud.com/
Chris Baca’s Personal Blog: www.chrisbaca.com/
We are Cat & Cloud Coffee. Started by three friends trying to pursue their passions with the mission to inspire connection by creating memorable experiences, and we created this podcast to continue forming those connections inside and out of our cafes.
The Cat & Cloud podcast was created as a space for us to share our experiences in the coffee industry and starting a business. Each week we sit down to talk about new challenges as business owners, how we utilize our mission and values to make decisions, and answer questions from our listening community. If you’re looking to expand your coffee knowledge, get some advice for your own small business, or just like the vibes, give us a listen!
Enjoy!
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Pressure Makes Diamonds – Nick Terzulli's journey into making incredible things
In this episode, we sit down with Nick Terzulli, VP of R&D at Fellow. Nick shares how his curiosity and persistence pulled him deeper into coffee culture—as a barista and a tinkerer, and eventually as the engineer behind Fellow’s iconic product, including the new Espresso Series 1.
We dig into how engineering and coffee intersect, from the mysteries of burr geometry to challenges in espresso machine stability. At the heart of Nick’s story is a lesson in following passion over paycheck, learning by doing, and embracing failure as part of innovation. It’s a conversation about curiosity, persistence, and the joy of creating products that shape people’s daily coffee rituals.
🔖 Chapters –
00:00 intro
02:02 Nick’s background
11:46 Where the interest came from
14:05 Early career in coffee
20:18 The move to Fellow
25:28 Grinder rabithole
38:34 Espresso Series 1
52:58 What makes things happen
01:00:28 Seeing hard work pay off
🔗 Links –
Fellow:
Espresso Series 1 https://fellowproducts.com/products/espresso-series-1
Cat & Cloud:
Instagram www.instagram.com/catcloudcoffee/
Webstore www.catandcloud.com/
Chris Baca’s Personal Blog: www.chrisbaca.com/
We are Cat & Cloud Coffee. Started by three friends trying to pursue their passions with the mission to inspire connection by creating memorable experiences, and we created this podcast to continue forming those connections inside and out of our cafes.
The Cat & Cloud podcast was created as a space for us to share our experiences in the coffee industry and starting a business. Each week we sit down to talk about new challenges as business owners, how we utilize our mission and values to make decisions, and answer questions from our listening community. If you’re looking to expand your coffee knowledge, get some advice for your own small business, or just like the vibes, give us a listen!
Enjoy!
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Shoulders of Giants – How learning from others helps you grow
This week, we dive into why learning from others is one of the fastest ways to grow. From drawing lessons out of brands like Disney to observing how peers structure their systems, it’s about finding insights that reveal blind spots and adapting them into something true to your own vision.
The real value isn’t in copying but in connecting those ideas to your own culture and goals. Whether it’s another coffee shop, a global brand, or even a friend’s workflow, growth comes from taking what resonates and making it authentically yours.
🔖 Chapters –
00:36 A.I. tools at work
07:31 Living in Santa Cruz
21:00 Learning vs being told
🔗 Links –
Cat & Cloud:
Instagram www.instagram.com/catcloudcoffee/
Webstore www.catandcloud.com/
Chris Baca’s Personal Blog: www.chrisbaca.com/
We are Cat & Cloud Coffee. Started by three friends trying to pursue their passions with the mission to inspire connection by creating memorable experiences, and we created this podcast to continue forming those connections inside and out of our cafes.
The Cat & Cloud podcast was created as a space for us to share our experiences in the coffee industry and starting a business. Each week we sit down to talk about new challenges as business owners, how we utilize our mission and values to make decisions, and answer questions from our listening community. If you’re looking to expand your coffee knowledge, get some advice for your own small business, or just like the vibes, give us a listen!
Enjoy!
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Philz Venture Cap – What happens when money takes over
This week, Chuck and I dig into the recent Philz Coffee sale. We break down how venture capital and private equity deals actually work, why common stockholders often walk away with nothing, and the difference between preferred and common shares. We talk about how control shifts once big investors enter the picture, the influence of a board, and how decision-making can drift from a company’s original vision.
We also explore the missed opportunity for Philz to take care of employees who invested their own money, even without a legal requirement to do so. From coffee companies as “brand pieces” for investment firms, to the challenges of scaling retail, we compare this sale to deals like Blue Bottle’s. It’s a conversation about money, ownership, and the choices that shape a company’s legacy.
🔖 Chapters –
01:07 Philz Sale
05:06 Common equity overview
10:50 Fluffy words
12:11 The start of philz
14:09 what is venture capital actually getting from cafe purchases
18:38 Philz sale vs Blue Bottle
22:25 Who's getting what and who should have
26:47 Takeaways from this sale
🔗 Links –
KQED Philz Article:
https://www.kqed.org/news/12051278/no-layoffs-in-philz-coffee-sale-but-stock-owning-former-employees-will-lose-out
SF Standard Article:
https://sfstandard.com/2025/08/01/philz-coffee-sale-private-equity/
Cat & Cloud:
Instagram www.instagram.com/catcloudcoffee/
Webstore www.catandcloud.com/
Chris Baca’s Personal Blog: www.chrisbaca.com/
We are Cat & Cloud Coffee. Started by three friends trying to pursue their passions with the mission to inspire connection by creating memorable experiences, and we created this podcast to continue forming those connections inside and out of our cafes.
The Cat & Cloud podcast was created as a space for us to share our experiences in the coffee industry and starting a business. Each week we sit down to talk about new challenges as business owners, how we utilize our mission and values to make decisions, and answer questions from our listening community. If you’re looking to expand your coffee knowledge, get some advice for your own small business, or just like the vibes, give us a listen!
Enjoy!
Chris Baca and Jared Truby are professional Baristas and are here to introduce the world to Specialty Coffee! From placing in the finals of the United States Barista Championship multiple times, winning regional competitions, to leading training and education for some of the most progressive coffee companies around - these two have learned a ton about coffee and want to share it with you. Tune in for weekly interviews, tutorials, and general mayhem from the brothers from different mothers: Truby & Baca. Learn more at catandcloud.com
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