Consciousness and the Bicameral Mind - The Julian Jaynes Society Podcast

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Compared to Other Scientific Ideas, Jaynesian Psychology Isn’t So Farfetched — But How Confident Can We Be that Jaynes Is Right?
By Brian J. McVeigh
Produced by Marcel Kuijsten. Read by Michael R. Jacobs (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.theungoogleable.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@VoidDenizen⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠).
We accept as fact the magical transformation of species (Darwinian evolution), the warping of spatiotemporal fabric (Einsteinian astrophysics), and the superposition of particles and “spooky action at a distance” (quantum mechanics). So surely, one would think, acknowledging the cultural roots of consciousness and that supernatural visitations and visions (hallucinations) governed societies seems rather tame. Compared to other well-established scientific ideas, Jaynes’s arguments do not seem so implausible. But many of us still find his ideas unpersuasive. Indeed, while we are comfortable with the way the hard sciences defy our commonsensical assumptions about the how the natural world works, when it comes to consciousness, we feel uncomfortably challenged if confronted by something as so supposedly radical as Jaynesian psychology. It seems we are all “experts,” convinced that our own views must accurately describe something so personal, immediate, and “obvious” as subjective introspectable self-awareness.
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https://www.julianjaynes.org/2023/12/13/compared-to-other-scientific-ideas-jaynesian-psychology-isnt-so-farfetched/
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Julian Jaynes and the Mind: Celebrating the Life and Ideas of Julian Jaynes
Today, let's talk about a thinker who's wild theory completely rewrote the history of the human mind: Julian Jaynes. Born on this day in 1920, Jaynes proposed a truly shocking theory about our own consciousness ...
Produced by Marcel Kuijsten using generative AI tools and reviewed by human editors for accuracy and clarity.
Learn more about Julian Jaynes's theory or become a member by visiting the Julian Jaynes Society at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.julianjaynes.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.
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The Invention of the Mind: Julian Jaynes's Ideas on Consciousness and the Self
Let's start with a question that sounds, well, it sounds super simple: "Where do our dreams come from?" I mean, for us, right now, the answer feels totally obvious -- almost instinctual. Our dreams, are feelings -- all that stuff -- it comes from that private universe inside our own heads. This quote from the Romantic era just nails it. Our inner life, that personal passion, it's not just a part of who we are, it feels like the whole point of our existence. So, let's start right there -- let's dive into this private universe we all seem to have -- the modern inner world...
Produced by Marcel Kuijsten using generative AI tools and reviewed by human editors for accuracy and clarity.
Learn more about Julian Jaynes's theory or become a member by visiting the Julian Jaynes Society at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.julianjaynes.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.
Read our latest book, "Conversations on Consciousness and the Bicameral Mind":https://www.julianjaynes.org/book/conversations-on-consciousness-and-the-bicameral-mind/
Contents:
00:00 - Introduction
0:30 - Our Private Universe
01:12 - An Ancient Dream Book
03:12 - A Different Mind
04:41 - Divine Message to Self
05:47 - The Birth of 'Me'

Consciousness Is More “Nurture” than “Nature”
But Like a Massive Planet, the Gravitational Pull of the Word “Consciousness” Drags our Thinking in the Wrong Direction, Warping Scientific Analysis
By Brian J. McVeigh
Produced by Marcel Kuijsten. Read by Michael R. Jacobs (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.theungoogleable.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@VoidDenizen⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠).
The nature-versus-nurture debate has framed discussions about the origins of mind for centuries: Is it innate or acquired? Has it biologically evolved or is it better understood as the product of historical development? To what degree is it learned? To be more specific, what about consciousness, understood here as one aspect of mind?
Read the complete text from this episode:
https://www.julianjaynes.org/2023/02/14/consciousness-is-more-nurture-than-nature/
Learn more about Julian Jaynes's theory or become a member by visiting the Julian Jaynes Society at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.julianjaynes.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.