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What if the real test of a prophetic word isn't how bold it sounds, but whether you can hear the tears underneath it?
Picking up where Episode 2 left off, Tim and Steve move from the prophetic tradition into what the prophets actually said about social justice — walking through Jeremiah 22, Psalm 72, Deuteronomy 10, Isaiah 57, and Zechariah 7 to the same claim: caring for the poor, the widow, the orphan, and the alien isn't a footnote to knowing God, it is what it means to know him (Jeremiah 22:16).
Steve also resolves a tension he's carried for years — contemplation or social justice? — by noting that a deeper relationship with God means caring about what God cares about. That leads to the line he wants listeners to leave with above all else: "God's passion must become our passion."
Two real stories, both nearly two decades old, ground the teaching: a single mother abandoned with five children who was given land instead of a handout, now a thriving community of 75 households who own their land outright; and Jyoti, a widow once rescued from a suicide attempt in India, now part of a sewing-school network that has trained close to 9,000 women into self-sufficient careers. Steve calls this "justice as God intended it" — not charity, but restored dignity and ownership.
From there, the conversation turns to the cost of prophetic honesty: how religion becomes a "chaplain of the state" when it trades truth for access to power, why the church has largely lost the practice of lament, and Steve's charge that every prophet — and every believer — fights the temptation to just get along rather than let God's passion become their own. Tim and Steve also open a harder question they'll keep circling all season — where personal responsibility for justice ends and a nation's biblical accountability begins, especially toward immigrants — and deliberately leave it unresolved.
In This Episode
Why intimacy with God and social justice are the same call lived at different depths
The line Steve wants you to leave with above all else: "God's passion must become our passion"
Two real, decades-spanning stories: a mother given land instead of a handout, and Jyoti, a widow rescued from a suicide attempt in India
How Impact Nations' Skills & Business programs have equipped more than 5,000 people since 2008
What it means for religion to become "chaplain of the state" — and why Amos said God hated Israel's worship for it
Why the church has largely lost the practice of lament, and what it loses by forgetting how to grieve honestly before God
A mentor's charge that reframed how Steve listens to prophecy: "listen for the sound of tears"
Four Old Testament prophets — Jeremiah, Elijah, Zechariah, and Isaiah — who paid a real price for speaking the truth
An open question the series will keep returning to: where personal responsibility ends and a nation's accountability begins
This is a conversation, not a lecture — Tim and Steve want your questions and pushback, especially on the harder edges of this one. Comment on YouTube, text us through your podcast app, or email podcast@impactnations.com. Follow or subscribe so you don't miss next week, when the series turns to Jesus and the prophetic tradition.
Programs like the one that gave Jyoti a sewing machine and a career are still running today, funded largely by gifts from listeners. Giving to Impact Nations is one concrete way to let God's passion become yours.
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Skills & Business Training: Impact Nations' vocational and business programs referenced throughout this episode: impactnations.com/skills-business Embodied Hope by Dr. Kelly M. Kapic: amazon.com/dp/0830851798
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What if spotting a false prophet has less to do with predicting the future and everything to do with what they refuse to say?

Episode 2 of the Justice & Peace series continues with Tim and Steve Stewart, digging into the Old Testament prophetic tradition as the foundation for everything this season will cover. Steve opens with Amos 5:24 — "let justice roll on like a river" — and argues that before the church tackles immigration, poverty, or war, it has to recover what it means to be a prophetic community: one that declares the kingdom of God and lives it out.

Steve distinguishes popular "foretelling" (a personal word about a job or a relationship) from biblical "forth-telling": speaking God's heart, especially against collective injustice. Drawing on a framework from Dr. Obery Hendricks (a past podcast guest), he names two elements of true prophecy — a real encounter with God, and a message of moral and political judgment — and two marks of a false prophet: silence about social justice, and uncritical support of those in power, becoming "chaplains of the state."

Leaning on Abraham Heschel's classic The Prophets, Steve and Tim trace how Amos, Micah, and Isaiah emerged during Israel's widest-ever rich-poor gap in the 8th century BC, confronting leaders who built wealth through extortion and manipulated scarcity. The conversation turns to how war gets wrapped in religious and patriotic language, then and now — touching on the 2026 U.S.–Iran war, religious leaders praying over the decision to strike, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's reported quoting of a fabricated "Bible verse" from Pulp Fiction, and Pope Leo XIV's public statements against the war. Tim raises a genuine counterpoint — the case for military action in defense of freedom — and they wrestle with it honestly rather than settling for an easy answer.

They close with the prophets' harder claim: that the prophetic word ultimately outlasts the king, and that history is heading toward the day swords are hammered into plowshares.

In This Episode
Why the church is called to be a "prophetic community" that declares and lives out the kingdom of God
"Foretelling" vs. "forth-telling": the difference between a personal word and speaking God's heart on injustice
Two marks of a false prophet: silence on social justice, and uncritical support of those in power
Why Amos, Micah, and Isaiah emerged during Israel's widest-ever rich-poor gap
How ancient and modern nations wrap war in religious language — with real examples from the 2026 U.S.–Iran war
An honest, unresolved conversation about military action in defense of freedom
Why the prophetic word is ultimately more powerful than the king's power
The prophets' vision of a day when "nation will no longer fight against nation" (Isaiah 2:4)
This is a conversation, not a lecture — comment on YouTube, text us via your podcast app, or email podcast@impactnations.com. Follow or subscribe so you don't miss the rest of the series.

With USAID funding cut, Impact Nations' partners see longer clinic lines and more repeat trafficking victims for lack of funds to patrol the borders. Giving is one concrete way to act on justice.

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The Prophets by Abraham Joshua Heschel — the classic study Steve draws on throughout this episode: https://www.amazon.com/Prophets-Perennial-Classics-Abraham-Heschel/dp/0060936991

The Politics of Jesus by Dr. Obery M. Hendricks Jr. — the past guest whose framing of biblical prophecy Steve references: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/78499/the-politics-of-jesus-by-obery-hendricks/

For context on the current events discussed: Pope Leo XIV's statements on the Iran war: https://www.americamagazine.org/news/2026/04/10/pope-leo-war-iran-criticism/ Pete Hegseth's Pulp Fiction quote at a Pentagon prayer service: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/pete-hegseth-pulp-fiction-bible-quote-1236566414/

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The gap between the world's rich and poor is wider today than at any point in recorded history — in any nation, at any time. So what does that have to do with the gospel?
Season 13 of the Impact Nations Podcast launches with a new format and a new sense of urgency. Tim Stewart is joined each week this season by his father, Steve Stewart, Founder and President of Impact Nations, teaching from his home office as Tim responds in real time with the same questions you might be asking. Together they're beginning a season-long series on justice and peace, originally planned as "Peace and Justice" until Steve felt the Lord redirect him: justice has to come first, as the foundation everything else is built on.
In this opening episode, Steve explains why he set aside a planned continuation of their Genesis series to address this topic with what he calls a greater sense of urgency than any series he's taught before. He walks through where we are: historic political polarization spreading across the U.S., Western Europe, Canada, and Australia; record economic inequality; and flashpoint issues like immigration and racial justice that dominate the news cycle. Steve and Tim compare this moment to the tumultuous 1960s, and Steve makes the case, twice, that "there is no such thing as a nonpolitical gospel or a nonpolitical Jesus" — while carefully distinguishing speaking prophetically about what Jesus cared about from aligning the church with any political party.
The conversation covers what justice actually means biblically (over 2,000 verses touch on it), what peace meant to Jesus and the early church versus the "tame," privatized version many of us inherited, and a real-world picture of both sides of justice at once: Impact Nations' partners in Malawi, who intercept human traffickers at the border and also minister inside the prisons where offenders are held accountable, pursuing restoration for both survivor and perpetrator.
Steve closes by previewing where the season is headed: the prophetic tradition from the Old Testament through Jesus and the early church, the "powers" behind systemic injustice, what the Bible says about immigration, Christian nationalism, Jesus and women, peacemaking, and just war theory.
In This Episode
 Why Steve set aside a planned Genesis series to teach on justice and peace with unusual urgency
Why he renamed the series from "Peace and Justice" to "Justice and Peace"
The historic scale of today's economic inequality and political polarization, by the numbers
How this moment compares to the polarization of the 1960s — and how it's different
Why Steve insists "there is no such thing as a nonpolitical gospel or a nonpolitical Jesus," without making Jesus a member of any party
What justice means biblically, and how Jesus's first public message was itself a justice declaration
How Impact Nations' partners in Malawi pursue both accountability and restoration in the fight against human trafficking
Why Steve distinguishes the "tame" gospel of inner peace from the gospel of peace Jesus and the early church actually preached
A look ahead at the rest of the season: the prophetic tradition, systemic "powers," immigration, Christian nationalism, Jesus and women, and just war theory
This is a season Tim and Steve want to be a real conversation, not a lecture. If something here challenges you, encourages you, or makes you uncomfortable, they want to hear about it — leave a respectful, thoughtful comment on YouTube or send a note through your podcast app. And if you're new here, follow or subscribe so you don't miss the rest of the series.
As always, this season will include real stories of Impact Nations partners participating in God's justice around the world. If you'd like to join that work, you can give at Impact Nations' website below.
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When Everything Changes: Healing, Justice & the Kingdom of God — Steve Stewart's earlier book, source of some of the material he references in this episode: https://www.amazon.com/When-Everything-Changes-Healing-Justice/dp/0981140955 
The Prophetic Imagination by Walter Brueggemann — the book Steve draws on for the season's framing of "totalism" and prophetic imagination: https://www.fortresspress.com/store/product/9781506449302/The-Prophetic-Imagination
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What if heaven isn’t somewhere far away—but a dimension of reality surrounding us right now?
To close out the Summer Series, Tim Stewart welcomes back Brian Zahnd for a fascinating conversation about heaven, pilgrimage, wonder, the false self, and his new book, Unseen Existences: Of Heaven, Earth, and the Divine Mystery in All Things.
Brian explains why heaven has become an embarrassment in serious theological circles, lumped in with escapist "fly away" thinking, sentimental clichés about departed loved ones on clouds, and sensationalized "I went to heaven and back" books. His pushback: heaven isn't a distant location somewhere past the clouds, but another dimension of reality, "the heavens," that surrounds us right now. Tim and Brian also talk through where Brian gently disagrees with N.T. Wright's caution around Platonic thought, recruiting C.S. Lewis to make his case.
The conversation moves into life as pilgrimage. Brian, who has walked the 500-mile Camino de Santiago four times, describes what a spiritual journey teaches that a plane ticket to the same destination never could, and how doubt, wonder, and even losing old certainties along the way can be part of authentic faith rather than a threat to it. He shares one of the sharper lines from the book: "Christianity without transcendence degenerates into politics," and what a "holy ambivalence" toward political partisanship might look like instead.
Tim and Brian also dig into one of the book's most striking chapters, "Depart From Me," reconciling Jesus's gentle response to Peter's confession of sin with his far more sobering words at the judgment, "I never knew you." Brian explains why he believes that verdict falls on the false self we try to become, not the person God actually made us to be. Along the way, Brian tells the story behind "The Reverend," a haunting short story cut from the final manuscript about a Puritan pastor who blessed a massacre, and what it imagines happening when that pastor stands before Christ.

In This Episode
Why heaven has "gone missing" from serious theological conversation, and the three unhelpful ways people talk about it instead
Why Brian says heaven isn't a distant place but "a different dimension" that is all around us right now
Where Brian pushes back on N.T. Wright's caution toward Platonic thought, with help from C.S. Lewis
Why Brian argues that "Christianity without transcendence degenerates into politics"
What walking the Camino de Santiago four times taught Brian about pilgrimage, friendship, and spiritual transformation
Why losing our sense of wonder isn't inevitable, and a simple daily discipline for reclaiming it
How to hold together Jesus's compassion toward Peter and his sobering words, "I never knew you," at the judgment
The story behind "The Reverend," the short story cut from the book, and its message about mercy at the final judgment
This wraps thirteen weeks of Summer Series conversations exploring who God really is. If any of these episodes have challenged or encouraged you, follow or subscribe to the Impact Nations Podcast, and share your favorite conversation with someone who'd value it too.

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Unseen Existences by Brian Zahnd (available now from InterVarsity Press): IVP: https://www.ivpress.com/unseen-existences Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Unseen-Existences-Heaven-Divine-Mystery/dp/1514005646
“The Reverend” (the short story Brian mentions, plus its audio performance): https://brianzahnd.substack.com/p/audio-performance-of-the-reverend
Brian Zahnd's website: https://brianzahnd.com
Brian Zahnd on Substack: https://brianzahnd.substack.com
Word of Life Church: https://wolc.com

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What if the truest picture of power we'll ever see isn't a throne or an army, but a baby who can't lift his own head—or a man nailed to a cross who refuses to fight back?
In this Summer Series conversation, Tim Stewart welcomes Kenneth Tanner, pastor of Holy Redeemer in Rochester Hills, Michigan, theologian, and author of the new book Vulnerable God: How Jesus Upends Our Assumptions About God—and Shows Us How to Be Human, releasing September 29 with a foreword by Brian Zahnd.
Kenneth makes the case that we shouldn't start with abstract ideas about God's power, sovereignty, or holiness and then try to squeeze Jesus into them. We should start with Jesus and let his life rearrange everything else. Tim and Kenneth talk through what it means to call Jesus "the human God," why weakness and humility aren't the opposite of divine power but its actual source, and how the incarnation—from the vulnerability of an infant to the vulnerability of the cross—reveals a strength the world rarely recognizes as strength at all.
The conversation moves into what it means to be truly human. Kenneth reframes salvation less as rescue from an angry God and more as restoration of an image already present in us, borrowing Athanasius's picture of a master restorer cleaning centuries of grime off a painting to bring the original colors back to the surface. He also challenges the popular idea of a "sin nature," arguing instead that our nature is good and has been infected by sin—a disease with a cure, not an identity we're stuck with.
They also dig into some of the Bible's hardest passages, including violent Old Testament stories, and why reading every text through Jesus—rather than reading Jesus through every text—changes the questions we're even allowed to ask. Kenneth shares two deeply personal stories: one from the day the Challenger shuttle exploded, when a grieving professor's words reshaped his entire theology of suffering, and another about sitting with a family after a young man drowned, that together show what it looks like to trust a God who suffers with us rather than one who causes our suffering.

In This Episode
Why we should start with Jesus, not an abstract idea of God, when we ask what power really looks like
What it means to call Jesus "the human God"
Why a woman healed by touching Jesus's robe and a baby lying in a manger reveal the same kind of power
How Athanasius's image of a master art restorer reframes salvation as restoration rather than rescue from wrath
Why Kenneth rejects the popular idea of a "sin nature"—and what he says instead
How Irenaeus's mosaic-floor illustration changes the way we read violent Old Testament passages
What Kenneth learned about God and suffering the day the Challenger shuttle exploded
How to sit with someone who's suffering without becoming one of Job's unhelpful friends
Why Kenneth believes Jesus was inside the water with a young man who drowned, not just watching from the shore
If this conversation gives you a new way to see Jesus, follow or subscribe to the Impact Nations Podcast so you don't miss the rest of the Summer Series. Please share this episode with someone who has ever wondered where God is in their suffering, or who could use a more hopeful picture of who God actually is.

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Vulnerable God by Kenneth Tanner (releases September 29 — foreword by Brian Zahnd): Baker Publishing Group: https://bakerpublishinggroup.com/products/9781540902771_vulnerable-god Pre-order on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Vulnerable-God-Reviving-God-Us/dp/1540902773
Kenneth Tanner on Substack: https://substack.com/@kennethtanner
Kenneth Tanner on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kentanner/
Holy Redeemer (Kenneth's church): https://www.holyredeemer.us
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