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  • Navigating Toward LGBTQ Affirmation (or How I became an Affirming Pastor) (TAW060)
    Episode 060 - Navigating Toward LGBTQ Affirmation (or How I became an Affirming Pastor) My journey from the Traditionalist view to becoming a fully Affirming pastor, with a perspective on a Gospel path to full Inclusion. This is a recorded version of the same presentation I gave at the Open Table Conference School of Theology in Sunriver in June of 2025. Show Notes In this episode, Marc Alan Schelske explores the complex relationship between faith and LGBTQ affirmation. Through personal stories, theological reflection, and the teachings of Jesus, he explains his own journey from the Traditionalist position to a position of full welcome, inclusion, and affirmation. Takeaways Marc, like many of us, had never really investigated the claims of the Traditionalist position that justified exclusion. The resources for in-depth study on this topic, including all the relevant scriptures, are provided in a downloadable resource for free. The Gospel, which is the narrative of Jesus' life, acts, teaching, death, and resurrection, is meant to show us the true face of the Father so that we can set aside the false images we project onto God. Jesus' life shows us over and over that God's nature is to include those on the margins, rather than protect hard lines of exclusion. Recommended Resources Blog Version of my School of Theology presentation on John 13, The Foot Washing. Downloadable 11-page PDF Resource: Navigating LGBTQ Inclusion The Open Table Conference Information and Registration for Fall Class: A Gospel Path to LGBTQ Affirmation Email Marc at [email protected] to get on his invite list for the weekly writing sessions at Slow Pour or the twice-monthly virtual co-writing sessions. Scroll down for a full transcript of this episode. You can also watch and share the video version on YouTube. More about My Conversation Partner It's me. Hi. I'm the problem, it's me. Marc Alan Schelske is a happily recovering fundamentalist praying for the restoration of all things. He writes and teaches about spiritual maturity, emotional growth, and the other-centered, co-suffering way of Jesus. His books, including Walking Otherward, Journaling for Spiritual Growth, and The Wisdom of Your Heart, can be found at www.MarcAlanSchelske.com. Marc serves as the teaching elder at Bridge City Community Church in Milwaukie, Oregon, a suburb of Portland, where we work to keep all things, even Christianity, a bit weird. Find Marc Here Website: www.MarcAlanSchelske.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarcAlanSchelske Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marcalanscherlske/ Threads: https://www.threads.com/@marcalanschelske Today's Sponsor The Writers Advance - A weekend to help writers write. November 13-16, 2025. For more information, see: www.TheWritersAdvance.com Transcription Marc Schelske 0:03Hey, friends. I'm Marc Alan Schelske, and this is The Apprenticeship Way, a podcast about spiritual growth, following the way of Jesus. This is episode 60: Navigating Toward LGBTQ Affirmation (Or How I became an Affirming Pastor.) SPONSOR Today's podcast is brought to you by The Writers Advance. I'm a writer (You probably know that) and I'm a big nerd about the writing process. That's probably just a function of me being a big nerd about most everything I'm excited about. Part of that nerdery is that I've read all the best books about writing. I've taken a number of courses, and back in the day, I went to writers' conferences regularly. In that time, I learned something that I'm going to offer you right now for free. By far the best way to learn to write is just to write. All those great resources don't make writing happen. Reading books about writing isn't writing. Sitting in giant conference centers listening to experts talk about their process isn't writing. The only thing that really moves the needle is writing a lot of words.
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  • How the Beatitudes Could Save the World and Us. (TAW059)
    Episode 059 - How the Beatitudes Could Save the World and Us. (With Dr. Bradley Jersak) An offhand comment by Dr. Jersak prompted this conversation. "We’re pushing back against the construction of a Christianity that’s the opposite of the Beatitudes. For those who don’t want to be susceptible to the lure of power-over Christianity, I recommend praying the Beatitudes every day . . . it is a furnace of discernment like none other." Woah...In a world where Christian leaders and many of their followers are increasingly espousing structures of power-over, saying empathy is a sin, and even co-opting the language of "Godly Hate,"1 For instance, "Christians must recover the lost virtue of Hatred. If not, Christianity will survive, but the West will be finished." - Pastor Joel Webbon, Twitter message, May 19, 2025. there is a real urgency to re-center our practice on Jesus' teaching in the Beatitudes. Show Notes In this conversation, Dr. Bradley Jersak and I explore the urgent need for Christians to re-center themselves in the Beatitudes as a guide for spiritual growth, ethical living, and community engagement. The need for this has only increased with the rise of Power-over ideologies such as Christian Nationalism, and forms of Christianity that are denying the way of Jesus in their actions. Takeaways Praying the Beatitudes can lead to personal transformation. Kenosis, or self-emptying, is a key aspect of living out the Beatitudes. Christian nationalism and all forms of power-over ideology contradict the teachings of Jesus, and this can be most clearly seen in the Beatitudes. The Beatitudes call for a radical rethinking of patriotism and can counteract misguided theology. A commitment to praying the Beatitudes regularly will serve as a "furnace of discernment" for wise discernment of what is truly "the word of the Lord" in our lives. Recommended Resources The Ladder of the Beatitudes, by Jim Forest. Beatitudes: When Mountain Meets Valley, by Ron Dart. Are We Done Fighting: Building Understanding in a World of Hate and Division, by Matthew Legge. Downloadable "Furnace of Discernment" Beatitute Prayer PDF Scroll down for a full transcript of this episode. You can also watch and share the video version on YouTube. More about My Conversation Partner Dr. Bradley Jersak Bradley is an author and teacher based in Abbotsford, BC. He currently serves as the Principal of St. Stephen’s University in New Brunswick, where he continues as the Dean and faculty member of SSU’s School of Theology & Culture. He also teaches peace studies courses with the Jim Forrest Institute. Through his books and seminars, Brad shares the good news that God is Love, perfectly revealed in Jesus Christ, and that God’s love heals wounded hearts and empowers us to heal this broken world. Find Bradley Here Website: https://bradjersak.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bradley.jersak Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bradley.jersak/ Threads: https://www.threads.net/@bradley.jersak Today's Sponsor YOU! Via your support of My Writing - After being nagged by a number of friends, I've opened a means for you to directly support my writing work. Making this podcast takes time and money, and it’s possible because people like you buy what I create. I've been asked how folks can support my writing when there’s no new book out. So, here it is: I’m opening up patron support. Instead of using Patreon (which takes a cut), I’ve set up a similar subscription system myself. Here are the tiers: LISTENER TIER (Free): Get my monthly-ish email newsletter, Apprenticeship Notes, and updates about new releases. Perfect if you want to keep up with my work but can’t commit financially. READER TIER ($5/month or $50/year): Includes the newsletter and access to a monthly Spiritual Life Virtual Round Table—about nine times a year. These are private gatherings with presentations and discus...
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  • Following Jesus in the Face of Political Panic, Christian Supremacy, and Creeping Fascism. (TAW058)
    Episode 058 - Following Jesus in the Face of Political Panic, Christian Supremacy, and Creeping Fascism. (With Susan Carson, Bradley Jersak, and Brian Zahnd.) We stand in a dire historical moment, and one of the questions that is swirling for many of us is about what it means to be a Christian right now. There are folks wearing the label Christian, many in good faith, who are endorsing things that seem so plainly unlike Christ. The chaos is swirling and it is all coming at us so fast that we are being overwhelmed. Because this is so important, I invited some friends to talk about this crisis, and how Other-centered, Co-suffering love can lead us. Show Notes In this conversation, motivated by the launch of my new book, Walking Otherward: Forty Meditations on Following Jesus' Path of Other-centered, Co-suffering Love, Susan Carson, Dr. Bradley Jersak, and Brian Zahnd discuss how this path might help us face the moment. Takeaways Fear makes us susceptible to the temptation to use power-over as a way to try to get good things done. This temptation is the same that Jesus faced in the wilderness, and the church is facing it again today. Gathering in church communities committed to practicing the other-centered, co-suffering way is essential right now. Praying the Beatitudes, and becoming intimately familiar with the Sermon on the Mount will guard our hearts. Stay focused. Be Patience. Engage in one-on-one acts of care, service, and advocacy. Recommended Resources Postcards from Babylon: The American Church in Exile, by Brian Zahnd. When Everything's On Fire: Faith Forged From the Ashes, by Brian Zahnd. Sinners in the Hands of a Loving God: The Scandalous Truth of the Very Good News, by Brian Zahnd. A More Christlike God: A More Beautiful Gospel, by Dr. Bradley Jersak. A More Christlike Word: Reading Scripture the Emmaus Way, by Dr. Bradley Jersak. A More Christlike Way: A More Beautiful Faith, by Dr. Bradley Jersak. Rooted (In): Thriving in Connection with God, Yourself, and Others, by Susan Carson. The Patient Ferment of the Early Church: The Improbable Rise of Christianity in the Roman Empire, by Alan Kreider. The Brothers Karamazov, Dostoevsky "The Grand Inquisitor" Filmed performance on Youtube. The Ladder of the Beatitudes, by Jim Forest. Beatitudes: When Mountain Meets Valley, by Ron Dart. Are We Done Fighting: Building Understanding in a World of Hate and Division, by Matthew Legge. Direct support for Mercy Aiken, a peacemaker in Palestine. Scroll down for a full transcript of this episode. You can also watch and share the video version on Youtube. More about My Conversation Partners Susan Carson Susan is an author, speaker, podcaster, pray-er, and lifelong unlearner. She's the founder and director of Roots&Branches Network, a listening and healing prayer ministry in Cincinnati, Ohio. With her team, she helps people encounter God in ways that transform and restore. Find Susan Here Website: https://www.susancarson.net/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/susanfcarson Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/susancarsonauthor/ Threads: https://www.threads.net/@susancarsonauthor Dr. Bradley Jersak Bradley is an author and teacher based in Abbotsford, BC. He currently serves as the Principal of St. Stephen’s University in New Brunswick, where he continues as the Dean and faculty member of SSU’s School of Theology & Culture. He also teaches peace studies courses with JFI.SSU.ca and is a regular Open Table Conference crew lecturer. Through his books and seminars, Brad shares the good news that God is Love, perfectly revealed in Jesus Christ, and that God’s love heals wounded hearts and empowers us to heal this broken world. Find Bradley Here Website: https://bradjersak.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bradley.jersak Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bradley.jersak/
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  • Empathy Isn’t a Sin; It’s Holy Dynamite (TAW057)
    Episode 057 - Empathy Isn't a Sin; It's Holy Dynamite (With Felicia Murrell) Once again, influential Christian leaders are declaring empathy a sin. One influential Reformed theologian calls empathy "Counterfeit compassion" and names it "the greatest rhetorical tool of manipulation in the 21st century." For people whose central ethic is to love the neighbor as we love ourselves, this seems an odd hill to die on. Why is this happening? Well, when you look behind the scenes, the answer is pretty obvious. Empathy has the power to blow up hierarchical power dynamics. Show Notes In this conversation, we explore empathy, its significance in spiritual growth, and why certain Christian leaders (from a very particular theological perspective) are warning Christians away from empathy.Note: We had significant technical difficulties recording this, but the conversation was so good that I wanted to do my best to share it with you. The audio has been cleaned up as much as I can, and I have provided carefully edited captions on the video and a full transcription for you. Takeaways Empathy is about staying present to pain without being overwhelmed and actively bearing witness to others' emotional experiences. Empathy differs from sympathy in that it connects us as equals. Empathy is essential for healthy human relationships. The accusation of empathy as a sin comes from hierarchical systems because empathy naturally opens the door to seeing how systems of domination and control are exploitative. Personal healing is necessary for developing empathy so that we can face our selves truthfully, but empathy moves beyond personal feelings into tangible action that changes the work around us, including the systems we live within. Empathy is a key aspect of following the way of Jesus. Mentioned Resources AND: The Restorative Power of Love in an Either/Or World (Felicia Murrell) Atlas of the Heart: Mapping Meaningful Connection and the Language of Human Experience (Brené Brown) All About Love: New Visions (bell hooks) Scroll down for a full transcript of this episode. You can also watch and share the video version on Youtube. More about My Conversation Partner Felicia Murrell is a spiritual companion, speaker, certified master life coach, and former ordained pastor with over twenty years of church leadership experience. She's an author and serves the publishing industry as a freelance copy editor. With a deep understanding of what it means to be human, Felicia is dedicated to empowering individuals to embrace who they already are and who Love is inviting them to be. Find Felicia Here Website: https://feliciamurrell.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/felicia.murrell.9 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hellofelicia_murrell/ Threads: https://www.threads.net/@hellofelicia_murrell Today's Sponsor Walking Otherward - My new book! Please pre-order it now. This is a 40-day devotional following the final weeks of Jesus' life and inviting us to exchange our natural self-centered, ego-defending ambition for the other-centered, co-suffering way love Love. Transcription Marc Schelske 0:05Hey friends, I'm Marc Alan Schelske, and this is The Apprenticeship Way, a podcast about spiritual growth following the way of Jesus. This is episode 57. Empathy is Not a Sin; It's Holy Dynamite. SPONSOR Today's podcast is made possible by Walking Otherward. This is my new book. It's due out in a couple of weeks. It's landing on February 18. That means I'm up to my ears in Book Launch season. Look, I'm gonna keep this short. I want you to pre-order my book right now. Is this the right book for you? Well, here's my pitch. You already know it's possible to be a Christian and not be very much like Jesus. Whether through your own study or your spiritual intuition, you sense that following the way of Jesus ought to be transformational for you and for your world...
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  • When the Marginalized Are Our Prophets (TAW056)
    Episode 056 - When the Marginalized Are Our Prophets (With Jenai Auman) The person who truly understands "what's going on" in any room is often not the one in charge. Instead, it's usually those on the margins—individuals whose lives and survival depend on recognizing the hidden structures of power—who see things most clearly. In her new book, Jenai Auman shares her experiences as a Filipina-American woman in the Evangelical church in the American South and challenges us to adopt a more inclusive way of being. Show Notes Othered: Finding Belonging with the God Who Pursues the Hurt, Harmed & Marginalized The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse, Johnson, et. al. Lisa Oakley, UK Spiritual Abuse Researcher Scroll down for a full transcript of this episode. You can also watch and share the video version on Youtube. More about My Conversation Partner Jenai Auman is a Filipina-American writer, artist, & storyteller living in Houston, TX with her husband and two boys. Drawing on her years of church ministry experience, education, and trauma-related training, she writes on healing, hope, and the way forward for those who have experienced spiritual abuse and religious trauma. Her work has been featured on Christianity Today’s Better Samaritan Blog, She Reads Truth, and The Fallow House. Her people are those who feel “othered” and unwelcome in traditional Christian spaces. As a trauma recovery-focused spiritual director/companion, she also serves as a story-holder & space-maker. Find Jenai at https://www.jenaiauman.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jenaiauman Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jenaiauman Today's Sponsor Not Just One More Thing: Spiritual Growth for Busy People - a ten-week on-demand course to help you move into a practical spirituality that fits into your busy life. Transcription Marc Schelske 0:00Hey friends, I'm Marc Alan Schelske, and this is The Apprenticeship Way, a podcast about spiritual growth following the way of Jesus. This is episode 56: When the Marginalized Are Our Prophets. THIS WEEK'S SPONSORToday's podcast is made possible by Not Just One More Thing: Spiritual Growth for Busy People. Is it possible to grow spiritually in the midst of a busy life? You're a follower of Jesus, but you're starting to wonder if you're really following? That's not a question about belief; it's a question about trajectory. Are you really going somewhere? And not just to heaven someday, maybe, whatever that means, but now. You want to grow and mature spiritually, and that's why you listen to this podcast. But your life is full, and it's fast-paced. You want to slow down, but you're not sure how. Life is busy and full of obligations and demands time and energy. And you can't opt out of most of that stuff. When you think about spiritual maturity, you think of maybe retired people who have hours to sit around reading their Bibles or volunteering at church and praying, or maybe monks who live in a quiet cloister where they can think big thoughts about God all day long, but that's not your life. Do you wonder if it's even possible to grow spiritually in the midst of the busy life you have? Well, it is. Being spiritual when you're on vacation or when you have a lot of free time on your hands is easy. That's when you have all the time in the world for reading and reflecting and journaling, engaging in deep conversations, and worshiping. Anyone can do that. But keeping your spiritual head above water when life is busy is the real test. Not Just One More Thing: Spiritual Growth for Busy People is an on-demand video course that I wrote after I saw that I kept answering the same kinds of questions when I was talking to folks as a pastor. So it's a 10-week course that will help you take small practical steps to integrate your spiritual life into your regular life. Because the last thing you need is a bunch of homework.
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