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• 061 | 真实的痛苦：宏大又微小 A Real Pain: Confronting Past in the Present

  【聊了什么 The What】 「A Real Pain」是由我们很喜欢的杰西·艾森伯格（Jesse Eisenberg）编剧和导演的一部电影，讲述了两位性格迥异的表兄弟David（由艾森伯格饰演）和Benji（由基兰·卡尔金饰演）为纪念他们已故的祖母而一同前往波兰参加犹太传统之旅的故事。在波兰旅行期间，他们不仅探访祖母童年的家，还参观了华沙犹太区英雄纪念碑和马伊达内克集中营等历史遗迹。 这部电影像是一个隐形的视角，带着我们，跟堂兄弟俩一起走完了波兰黑暗之旅，电影中讨论了人的痛苦，或大或小，都同样真实——不仅是大屠杀的集体创伤，还有每个人无法消解的痛苦。 我们在这集播客聊了这部电影，以及几个女的如何思考和化解痛苦与创伤。 "A Real Pain" is a film written and directed by Jesse Eisenberg (who we kinda have crush on), telling the story of two cousins—David (played by Eisenberg) and Benji (played by Kieran Culkin)—who travel together to Poland on a Jewish heritage tour to honor their late grandmother. During their Polish journey, they visit their grandmother's childhood home and historical sites including the Warsaw Ghetto Heroes Monument and Majdanek concentration camp. The film offers an intimate perspective, following the cousins through Poland's “dark tour.” It explores how pain—whether monumental or mundane—is equally real for those experiencing it, addressing not only the collective trauma of the Holocaust but also each person's unresolvable individual suffering. In this episode, we discuss the film and how we, as women and friends, process and work through pain and trauma. 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: [email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 【时间轴 The When】 00:01:00 电影介绍，这俩人演堂兄弟，证明我们在正确的宇宙次元 00:08:43 从一则弹窗广告被启发，到把"黑暗之旅"搬上银幕，这个电影可能是Jesse Eisenberg想了一辈子的故事 00:11:15 聊一聊集中营和火车的那段戏，PTSD，工业化屠杀 00:25:30 如何在巨大的犹太人屠杀的历史创伤中，理解个人的痛苦？从David和Benji中，转向我们对痛苦的理解 00:37:50 痛苦被倾诉后能不能被化解？这部电影是否有给我们一个答案 00:47:51 创伤叙事：国家主义和个人之间的冲突 00:01:00 Film introduction, these two actors playing cousins confirms we're in the right universe 00:08:43 From inspiration via a pop-up ad to bringing a "dark tourism" story to screen—this film may be the story Jesse Eisenberg has wanted to tell his entire life 00:11:15 Discussion of the concentration camp and train scenes, PTSD, and industrialized genocide 00:25:30 How to understand personal pain within the context of the enormous historical trauma of Jewish genocide? Moving from David and Benji toward our own understanding of suffering 00:37:50 Can expressing pain help resolve it? Does the film offer us an answer? 00:47:51 Trauma narratives: conflicts between nationalism and individual experience 【拓展链接 The Links】 傷痛與觀看：淺談「黑暗觀光」──林潤華 Personal Visit to Majdanek Extermination Camp 活出生命的意义 (Chinese Edition) 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun, and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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• 060｜《影后》是台娱照见自己的一面镜子 Born for the spotlight

  【聊了什么 The What】 《影后》是一部深入探讨女性友谊、职场关系和娱乐圈现实的台湾剧集。通过几位不同年龄阶段女演员的视角，该剧以META的方式反映了台湾娱乐业的变迁与挑战。 这不只是一部简单的"宫斗剧"，而是一部贴近现实的职场剧。剧中几位中年甚至老年女性角色的感情和人际关系发展，展现了人生不同阶段的成长可能性。薛亚之与周凡的关系打破了观众对角色与演员的刻板印象，也把女性之间嫉妒和爱并存的关系刻画的十分细腻。 我们聊到了从琼瑶剧到偶像剧再到现代台剧，这些不同时期的台湾影视作品如何塑造了我们对爱情和生活的理解。《影后》作为新一代台剧，不只讲述了演艺圈的故事，也折射出社会对女性期望的变化，成为台湾文化界照见自己的一面镜子。 “Born for the Spotlight” is a Taiwanese drama series that deeply explores female friendships, workplace relationships, and the realities of the entertainment industry. Through the perspectives of actresses at different age stages, the series reflects the changes and challenges of Taiwan's entertainment industry in a meta way. This isn't just a simple "palace drama," but a workplace drama that closely mirrors reality. The emotional and interpersonal relationship development of several middle-aged and even elderly female characters in the show demonstrates the possibilities for growth at different stages of life. The relationship between Xue Yazhi and Zhou Fan breaks viewers' stereotypes about characters and actresses, and also portrays the coexistence of jealousy and love between women with great subtlety. We discussed how Taiwanese media from different periods—from Chiung Yao dramas to idol dramas to modern Taiwanese series—have shaped our understanding of love and life. "The Actress," as a new generation of Taiwanese drama, not only tells the story of the entertainment industry but also reflects changing societal expectations of women, becoming a mirror for Taiwan's cultural industry to see itself. 【本期嘉宾 Guest】 东尼，行星酒馆主播（一个在动荡时代里，分享离散故事的华语播客。） 【五月天购票链接】 今年3月29日，五月天成团25周年“回到那一天”演唱会将登陆拉斯维加斯忠实体育场（Allegiant Stadium）。这是五月天北美巡演的唯一一场，请记住，是唯一一场，也是华语歌手在北美开唱的最大规模和最高规格。演出将斥资千万美金打造，从巨型五球华丽舞美，到环场巴士，带你体验原汁原味的五月天魅力。 3月29日这个日子也很特别，是五月天正式成军的纪念日。从七号公园初次登场的那个三月，到拉斯维加斯五万人共享的星空，我们一起坐上时光机，穿越回忆任意门，体验一趟精彩万分的旅程，回到属于你和五月天的那一天。 无论你来自哪个国家，无论你是听着五月天歌长大的老粉，还是刚刚喜欢上他们音乐的新粉，这场演唱会，都不容错过。 请访问iemshowplace.com或Ticketmaster，或点击这个链接购票锁定席位： 购票链接：点击这里 VIP套餐还包含专属观赏区、快速通道和限量纪念礼包，值得收藏。 加入五月天，永远不会太迟。 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: [email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 【时间轴 The When】 00:03:54《影后》如何处理群像，一个松散的女演员”圈子“ 00:11:20 胖姐为什么戳中了我们的泪点 00:13:48 柯丽芬和TB迟来的道歉和原谅 00:22:28 周凡和薛亚之之间不被行业和社会支持的非性缘共生关系 00:34:10 欧美和东亚女演员的“角斗场” 00:35:06 史爱玛的性格刻画的好吗？她的问题是太年轻太想要吗？ 00:45:26 《影后》又新又旧的感情和婚姻观念 00:51:33 台湾娱乐的文化产品怎么养大了我们，构筑了我们的感情观 00:58:50 大S去世与我们摄入信息时代的变迁 01:05:35 新的时代让我们获得了什么、失去了什么 01:07:58 大小S以及台娱“又新又旧”的黄金时代 00:03:54 How "Born into the spotlight" handles its ensemble cast, a loose "circle" of female actresses 00:11:20 Why the "pangjie" character touched our heartstrings 00:13:48 Ke Lifen and TB's belated apology and forgiveness 00:22:28 The non-sexual symbiotic relationship between Zhou Fan and Xue Yazhi that isn't supported by the industry or society 00:34:10 The "arena" for Western and East Asian actresses 00:35:06 Is Shi Aima's character well-portrayed? Is her problem that she's too young and too ambitious? 00:45:26 "Born into the spotlight" and its modern and traditional views on relationships and marriage 00:51:33 How Taiwan's entertainment cultural products raised us and built our views on relationships 00:58:50 Barbie Tsu's passing and the changes in how we consume information 01:05:35 What the new era has given us and what we've lost 01:07:58 Barbie and Dee Hsu, and the "both new and old" golden era of Taiwanese entertainment 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun, and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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• 059｜冬季氛围检查：听播客暂停立刻去喝水 Winter Vibe Check: Everybody Hydrate Now

  【聊了什么 The What】 重大发现：一月是星期一。大家多喝水。 Main takeaways: January is Monday. Stay hydrated. 【听众专属福利】 一起订阅《三联生活周刊》数字刊会员年卡吧！ 🎉 疲惫娇娃专属渠道粉丝下单享受六折优惠🎉 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun, and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: [email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022

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• 058 | 黑箱日记：伊藤诗织的抗争日志 Shiori Ito’s Black Box Diaries

  【聊了什么 The What】 2024年初，日本记者伊藤诗织发布的纪录片《黑箱日记》以其私密的镜头语言和坦诚的叙事方式，记录了她从2015年遭遇性侵，到2017年实名举报，再到近年来推动日本性暴力相关法律变革的漫长历程。这部纪录片不仅是一份个人的创伤记录，更是对日本社会性别议题的深度剖析：警方的敷衍了事，媒体的冷漠反应，路人对受害者的污名化，和伊藤诗织站出来为自己和更多沉默者发声的巨大勇气。 这期节目中，小蓝与嘉宾探讨了这部纪录片所呈现的复杂现实：一个女性记者如何在追求新闻专业主义的同时，不得不把自己的创伤经历变成公共讨论的一部分；为什么在日本这样的民主社会，年轻女性却如此缺席性别议题的公共讨论；以及在整个东亚地区，女权运动如何在各自的政治文化背景下寻找突破。从警察机构到司法体系，从传统媒体到新媒体平台，从个人抗争到集体行动——，我们如何在时代的重重局限下突出重围，追求系统性变革的可能？ In early 2024, Japanese journalist Shiori Ito released her documentary "Black Box Diaries," which uses intimate cinematography and candid storytelling to chronicle her long journey: from experiencing sexual assault in 2015, to publicly reporting it in 2017, and her subsequent efforts to reform Japan's sexual violence laws in the following years. The documentary is not just a personal record, but also a deep analysis of gender issues in Japanese society - showing the police's perfunctory handling of her case, the media's indifferent response, public stigmatization of victims, and Ito's immense courage in speaking up for herself and other silent survivors. The episode features discussions between Xiaolan and guests about the complex realities presented in the documentary: how a female journalist must balance professional journalism while being forced to turn her traumatic experience into part of public discourse; why young women are so notably absent from public discussions of gender issues in a democratic society like Japan; and how feminist movements across East Asia navigate breakthroughs within their respective political and cultural contexts. From law enforcement to the judicial system, from traditional media to new media platforms, from individual resistance to collective action - how can we break through the limitations of our time to pursue systemic change? 【参与人员 The Who】 小蓝：疲惫娇娃主播、媒体工作者 弦子：女性主义者、发声者、写作者 兆音：调查记者、BBC纪录片“追查「痴汉」——谁在售卖日本性侵偷拍影片”制作人 林珊：珊越拾穗的主播、科尔比学院访问助理教授 Xiaolan: Host of CyberPink, media professional Xianzi: Feminist activist, writer Zhaoyin: Investigative journalist, producer of the BBC documentary "Catching a Pervert: Sexual Assault for Sale" Lin Shan: Host of "Shan Yue Shi Sui," visiting Assistant Professor at Colby College 【时间轴 The When】 00:00:58 《黑箱日记》的故事背景 13:47 伊藤的记者与性侵幸存者双重身份 20:57 纪录片中最私密的时刻：用镜头记录自己的创伤 41:05 日本社会的性别困境：为什么支持伊藤的多是年长女性？**更正：日本学运发生在60年代末 * 52:12 记者作为性暴力受害者 01:11:38 日本的政治冷感与女权运动 01:21:39 从个案到制度：日本性暴力相关法律的变迁与局限 01:30:44 东亚女性的共同命运：如何在父权制度下寻找发声与改变的可能 00:00:58 The story behind "Black Box Diaries" 13:47 Meeting Ito: the journalist and the survivor 20:57 The intimacy of documenting your own trauma 41:05 Japan’s gender problem: Why are Ito's supporters mostly older women?* *Correction: the Japanese university student protests happened in the late 1960s * 52:12 Journalists as survivors 01:11:38 Political apathy and the unique path of feminist movements in Japan 01:21:39 Driving systemic change: The evolution of Japan's sexual violence laws 01:30:44 Finding our voice under east asian patriarchy 【拓展链接 The Links】 寫在日本《刑法》性犯罪修正案與《同志法案》通過之後 https://changyuchieh.com/2023/06/16/gay-law/ BBC紀錄片：追查「癡漢」——誰在售賣中國日本性侵偷拍影片－ BBC News 中文 抓住那个“痴汉”文章 BBC纪录片《猎食者：日本流行音乐的秘密丑闻》 法庭外的12小時，弦子訴朱軍案開庭首日 文章 神圣无花果之种 电影 Girls Will Be Girls 电影 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun, and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: [email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022

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• 057 | 阿诺拉：不能止步于“救风尘” Anora: Not Just A “Pretty Woman” Story

  【聊了什么The What】 Sean Baker导演的《Anora》讲述了一个布鲁克林性工作者阿诺拉将信将疑地踏上现代版灰姑娘的南瓜马车，却没想到渡过了人生最疲惫的24小时加班的故事。2024年的我们和Anora一样，都心知肚明在当代的美国，老套“救风尘”的故事已经是一个骗局。在我们看来，这是一个细腻而富有共鸣的故事。Baker和演员一起塑造了一个狡黠的、天真的、完全能为自己做主的年轻女孩，故事中的细节：无论是南布鲁克林的景观、Anora东欧移民的背景、还是电影中年轻人真诚的愚蠢，让这个故事能够打动哪怕是我们中最愤世嫉俗的人。结局的那一刻，Anora和我们都明白，那辆充满寓言意味的南瓜马车并非跨越阶级的虫洞，一切落幕之后，Anora获得了可能比钻石戒指更珍贵的东西 — 看清了自己是谁以及她能做到什么。终章之处，南瓜马车驶过，留下的不是阶级虫洞的幻影，是比钻戒更为珍贵的馈赠——Anora在这场冒险中看到了真实的自己，大起大落之后她并没有失去为自己挣出未来的无限可能。 Sean Baker's latest film "Anora" follows a Brooklyn sex worker who steps into a modern-day Cinderella story, only to find herself enduring the most exhausting few days of her life. In 2024, both we and Anora know full well that the classic "Pretty Woman" narrative is a sexist and tiresome trope. But Baker manages to tell a nuanced, relatable story through Anora. The specificity of it — Southern Brooklyn's landscapes, her immigrant background, and the genuine innocence and naivety of youth — allows this story to warm the heart of even the most cynical among us. In the end, the proverbial pumpkin carriage isn't an invitation to cross class lines, but a journey of self-realization. 本期节目由【大人糖】赞助播出。新的一年即将来临，假期旅游成本高，那不如先尝试一下大人糖家的新品拂悦？ This episode is sponsored by the female sexual wellness brand OSUGA. Tune in to hear our thoughts on their newest sex toy "Osurging." 🎉【听众专属福利】 对大人糖新品感兴趣的朋友们，可通过以下2种方式获得专属优惠，拂悦原价359元，领券后到手价299元，备注【疲惫娇娃】还可额外赠送99元大礼包，同时之前推荐的小海豹和兔子月这次也可享专属优惠价哦，具体可以点击链接查看详情哦✌ 点击这里跳转或复制这整段口令【97￥TEDQ3zak3zU￥】到淘宝领专属优惠券，下单直接满减 淘宝搜索【大人糖旗舰店】，私信客服，报暗号【疲惫娇娃】领专属券下单 🌟重要提示！ 1、下单时记得一定要备注【疲惫娇娃】才会随单一起送出礼包哦！ 2、部分苹果手机是最新系统的听友可能会遇到口令无法跳转的情况，选择第2种方式购买也可以 另外！考虑到我们有部分海外听众，可通过点击➡ Osuga，下单输入优惠码【疲惫娇娃】可立减15%，但到手价格&优惠政策与国内不同享哦，有需要的朋友们可以自由选择 【时间轴 The When】 00:08:41 导演Sean Baker的独特视角:边缘人群的故事 00:13:41 安妮 vs. 阿诺拉: 脱衣舞娘与东欧移民的两个面向 00:32:27 性工作在不同文化语境下的讨论差异 00:42:21 天真与成长:安妮对辛德瑞拉式爱情的幻想与觉醒 00:48:54 Vanya的童真与残忍:一个未长大的富二代形象 00:56:52 Igor的复杂性:暴力与温情并存的打手 01:07:37 结尾镜头的突破和深意 00:08:41 Sean Baker's Unique Perspective: Stories from Society's Margins 00:13:41 Ani vs. Anora: Dual Perspectives of a Stripper and Eastern European Immigrant 00:32:27 Sex Work: Cultural Context Differences 00:42:21 Innocence and Growth: Ani's Cinderella Fantasy and Awakening 00:48:54 Vanya's Childlike Cruelty: Portrait of an Immature Trust Fund Kid 00:56:52 Igor's Complexity: The Enforcer's Balance of Violence and Tenderness 01:07:37 The Final Shot's Deeper Meaning 【拓展链接 The Links】 [红莺歌 Red Canary Song] (https://www.redcanarysong.net/) Mikey Madison Declined an Intimacy Coordinator on ‘Anora,’ but Professionals Say There Should Always Be One: Actors and Directors ‘Can’t Speak for How Every Extra Felt’ 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: [email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022

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