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Psychologists Off the Clock

Debbie Sorensen, Jill Stoddard, Yael Schonbrun, Michael Herold & Emily Edlynn
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  • 406. Leading for Wellness with Patricia Grabarek and Katina Sawyer
    Leadership so often comes with the pressure to appear strong, composed, and endlessly capable, but that version of leadership is no longer serving us. In this episode, Debbie sits down with Patricia Grabarek and Katina Sawyer, co-authors of Leading for Wellness, for a meaningful conversation about redefining leadership through the lens of wellness, authenticity, and vulnerability.  They share why it’s time to move beyond outdated ideals of stoicism and perfection and how embracing a more human-centered approach, through genuine connection, clear boundaries, and flexible team cultures, can lead to healthier, more productive workplaces. With real-life examples and research-backed insights, Patricia and Katina offer practical strategies leaders can use to show up more fully, support their teams more deeply, and lead with intention and care. Listen and Learn: How toxic workplaces don’t just harm employees, they drain communities, profits, and society as a whole How small acts of support from “generator” leaders can spark workplace wellness, even in hard times Can embracing authenticity over outdated leadership norms help teams connect, grow, and stay human? Why showing vulnerability and owning mistakes builds trust, safety, and real connection in leadership Building emotionally honest, flexible team cultures without slipping into toxic positivity How humane leaders bend rigid rules and protect their teams without crossing ethical lines The ways leaders break toxic overwork cycles and build teams that thrive without being always on Resources: Leading for Wellness: How to Create a Team Culture Where Everyone Thrives: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781394292011Connect with Patricia Grabarek and Katina Sawyer on social media: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patriciagrabarek/  https://www.linkedin.com/in/katina-sawyer-ph-d/  https://www.linkedin.com/company/workrbeeing/  https://www.instagram.com/workrbeeing/ https://www.instagram.com/patriciagrabarek/ About Patricia Grabarek and Katina Sawyer: Patricia Grabarek and Katina Sawyer are co-founders of Workr Beeing, and coauthor of Leading for Wellness: How to Create a Team Culture Where Everyone Thrives. Patricia Grabarek, Ph.D., is a seasoned industrial and organizational psychologist specializing in workplace wellness, organizational culture, employee engagement, diversity and inclusion, and leadership development. With a background in both consulting and internal roles, Dr. Grabarek has led people analytics and talent management initiatives for more than 60 organizations across various industries. Her work focuses on research-based strategies to improve well-being, retention, performance, and diversity efforts. She holds a Ph.D. and MS in industrial/organizational psychology from Penn State and a B.A. in Psychology from UCLA. Katina Sawyer, Ph.D., is an industrial and organizational psychologist and an Associate Professor of Management and Organizations at the University of Arizona’s Eller College of Management. A leading expert in work-life balance, leadership, positive workplace behaviors, and diversity, she has published more than 50 peer-reviewed studies, book chapters, and articles in outlets such as Harvard Business Review. She holds a B.A. in psychology from Villanova University and a dual Ph.D. and M.S. in industrial and organizational psychology and women’s studies from Penn State. Related episodes:  338. ACT for Burnout with Debbie!  265. The Power of Emotions at Work with Karla McLaren  299. Leadership and the Changing Workplace with Chris Shipley  378. The Happy High Achiever with Mary Anderson 357. Is Your Work Worth It? How to Think About Meaningful Work with Jennifer Tosti-Kharas and Christopher Wong Michaelson 290. Shared Sisterhood: Collective Action for Racial and Gender Equity at Work with Tina Opie and Beth Livingston  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • 405. Taming the Inner Critic with Holly Yates and Shawn Whooley
    Constantly battling that harsh inner voice that tells you you're not enough, that you’ll never measure up? It can feel like this voice is always lurking, trying to undermine your confidence and making it so much harder to move forward. The good news is that you can change your internal narrative. For this episode, Jill welcomes Shawn Costello Woolley and Holly Yates, coauthors of The Inner Critic Workbook, a fantastic resource that helps you transform your inner critic into a supportive, empowering voice. You’ll understand how shame fuels negative self-talk, but more importantly, how self-compassion, mindfulness, and connecting with shared humanity can help you to quiet your critic and start building a kinder, more confident inner dialogue. Listen and Learn: How your inner critic often sabotages your path toward what matters to you most Why your inner critic exists, how it hijacks your progress, and the ways it holds you back in life Is your inner critic pushing you to avoid discomfort, keeping you from the meaningful things you crave? Why self-compassion isn’t about letting yourself off the hook Why attempting to replace your inner critic with positivity frequently fails, and what works instead When your inner critic speaks, does it close doors or point you in the direction of values you care about? Using the CARE method for growth to turn your inner critic into a compassionate coach How shame isolates you, but sharing struggles helps you connect and turns our inner critic into a coach Transforming self-criticism into compassion by speaking to yourself the way you would to a friend Stepping back from your thoughts and reacting intentionally, not just based on emotional interpretations How observing your thoughts and actions in the present moment can help clarify your values and guide your choices Resources: The Inner Critic Workbook: Self-Compassion and Mindfulness Skills to Reduce Feelings of Shame, Build Self-Worth, and Improve Your Life and Relationships: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781648484292 Shawn’s website: https://www.drshawnwhooley.com/ More about Holly on: https://www.newharbinger.com/author/holly-yates/ Connect with Shawn and Holly on social media: https://www.linkedin.com/in/holly-yates-8a8055321 https://www.instagram.com/holly.yates.healing/ https://www.instagram.com/shawncostello19/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawn-costello-whooley-psyd-b181294 Related Episodes: 385. Oliver Burkeman on Embracing Your Limitations 346. Self-compassion Daily Journal with Diana Hill 341. Self-Forgiveness with Grant Dewar 301. Seven Daily ACT Practices for Living Fully with Diana Hill and Debbie Sorensen 201. Fierce Compassion with Kristin Neff 147. Extending Compassion with Janina Scarlet and Sara Schairer 145. Caring, Compassion, and Cooperation with Paul Gilbert 75. Mindful Self-Compassion with Christopher Germer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • 404. Raising Loving Siblings with Jonathan Caspi
    You’ve tried reasoning with your kids, setting boundaries, and even taking away privileges, but the conflict just keeps bubbling up. When nothing seems to calm the chaos, where can you turn as a parent who’s simply worn out and craving peace in your home? For this conversation, Emily brings in guest Dr. Jonathan Caspi, an internationally recognized sibling expert and professor at Montclair State University. Jonathan offers insights from his book, Raising Loving Siblings, on the parental role in sibling conflict, the importance of sibling closeness, and strategies to manage and improve sibling relationships.  Tune in if you are interested in learning about parental involvement and guidance for cultivating positive sibling relationships and reducing conflict.  Listen and Learn:  Why well-meaning parents may unknowingly fuel sibling rivalry and what to do differently instead Does parental conflict fuel sibling rivalry?  Why recognizing harmful sibling behavior matters How sibling bullying hides in plain sight through avoidance, fear, and subtle signs parents often miss Why everyday sibling spats are normal, but constant conflict may signal deeper family dynamics at play Can frequent sibling fights sabotage lifelong bonds? Why perceived favoritism can fuel sibling conflict, why avoiding favoritism talk may actually hurt family dynamics, and how to handle it better How to manage sibling bickering and aggression with strategies that foster better behavior and connection How validating kids' emotions and avoiding the 'victim vs. aggressor' mindset can help resolve sibling conflicts How parents' own childhood experiences can shape their approach to sibling relationships Resources:  ● Jonathan's book Raising Loving Siblings: How to Stop the Fighting and Help Your Kids Connect  ● Jonathan’s websites:  https://siblingexpert.com/author/caspij/ http://www.theeasyfamily.com/  ● Connect with Jonathan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/siblingexpert/  About Jonathan Caspi Jonathan Caspi, PhD, MSW, is Professor of Family Science and Human Development at Montclair State University in New Jersey. Dr. Caspi is an internationally recognized sibling expert. In addition to researching, writing, and teaching about families and siblings, he has been a family therapist for over 30 years and has a private practice in New Jersey. Related Episodes: 397. The Mindful Path to Intimacy with James Cordova 386. Parents Are Stressed: What Do We Do About It? With Emily, Debbie, and Yael 373. How to Stop Freaking Out with Carla Naumburg 369. Good News About Adolescence with Ellen Galinsky 241. Emotion Coaching Skills for Families with Mindy Solomon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • 403. Conflict Resilience with Bob Bordone and Joel Salinas
    What if your next disagreement could actually bring you closer to someone instead of driving you apart? In this episode, we’re diving into Conflict Resilience: Negotiating Disagreement Without Giving Up or Giving In with co-authors Bob Bordone, a conflict resolution expert from Harvard, and Joe Salinas, a behavioral neurologist and founder of Isaac Health. Together with Yael, they have a down-to-earth conversation about what it really takes to stay present in conflict and why that matters for your relationships and your brain.  You’ll hear personal stories, surprising research, and powerful insights on why it’s so important to get comfortable with discomfort, listen with an open heart, and know when (and how) to engage in tough conversations. Listen and Learn:  What happens when a conflict avoider and a conflict expert team up to explore how tension builds connection? Why do two people experience the same conflict so differently, and how does your brain shape that story? Is conflict really worse today, or have we just lost the resilience to stay in the heat and handle it? Why avoiding conflict rewires your brain to fear it and building resilience means facing the heat, slowly. How sharing real stories across deep divides can reshape how we see “the other” and actually spark true change. Can deeper listening to those we disagree with reshape our brains, our beliefs, and maybe even our world? Why listening grows from curiosity to open space for real connection Knowing when to engage or exit conflict starts with curiosity and protects both peace and power Resources:  Conflict Resilience: Negotiating Disagreement Without Giving Up or Giving In: http://www.conflictresiliencebook.com Joel’s website: https://joelsalinasmd.com/ Bob’s website: https://www.bobbordone.com/about-me#:~:text=My%20Story,served%20as%20the%20Thaddeus%20R Yael’s newsletter interview with the authors of You’re Not as Crazy as I Thought (But You’re Still Wrong)—on the topic of moving from “me versus you” to “us versus the problem” Additional Books Referenced in the Episode  Doppelganger: A Trip into the Mirror World: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781250338143  The Undoing Project: A Friendship That Changed Our Minds: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780393354775 Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780525434955 The Klansman's Son: My Journey from White Nationalism to Antiracism: A Memoir: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781419764783 You're Not as Crazy as I Thought (But You're Still Wrong): https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781612344614 About Bob Bordone:  Robert C. Bordone is a Senior Fellow at Harvard Law School, founder and former director of the Harvard Negotiation and Mediation Clinical Program, former Thaddeus R. Beal Clinical Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, and founder of The Cambridge Negotiation Institute. He is co-author of Designing Systems and Processes for Managing Disputes, and co-editor of The Handbook of Dispute Resolution. Bordone was ranked among 2025’s World’s Top 30 Negotiation Professionals by Global Gurus. About Joel Salinas:  Joel Salinas, M.D. is a behavioral neurologist, scientist, and Clinical Associate Professor of Neurology at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine, founder and Chief Medical Officer at Isaac Health, and former Harvard Medical School faculty. He is the author of Mirror Touch: A Memoir of Synesthesia and the Secret Life of the Brain.   Related Episodes: 51. The Psychology of Political Division with Yael and Debbie 392. Outraged with Kurt Gray 397. The Mindful Path to Intimacy with James Còrdova 276. Assertive Communication Skills with Randy Paterson 371. Uniting Toward a Better Future with Diana McLain Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • 402. Harm Reduction for Addiction with Kristin Dempsey
    Breaking the cycle of addiction is both possible and challenging, but even just rethinking your relationship with it can be a powerful first step toward change. Offering an alternative to strict abstinence models is Kristin Dempsey, the author of The Harm Reduction Workbook for Addiction, who invites you to reconsider your approach to addiction, offering a tangible, compassionate, and science-backed method of recovery known as harm reduction.  Through reflective listening, motivational interviewing, curiosity, and "change talk," Kristin talks to Michael about just a few of these helpful strategies for reassessing your relationship with addictive substances (and even other areas of your life) and navigating change in a way that feels both supportive and sustainable.  Listen and Learn:  How harm reduction and motivational interviewing reshape substance use treatment with compassion What changes when someone explores behavior on their own with a workbook versus in live conversation? How can Kristin’s workbook also reveal insights about everyday habits and hidden patterns? Why do we resist advice, even when we ask for it, and how can choice unlock real change? How “change talk” in motivational interviewing helps people move from intention to action Using reflective listening to improve your conversations and build stronger, more meaningful connections Can curiosity, not problem-solving, unlock deeper conversations and personal growth? Why you should support someone struggling with substance use by building a relationship first, not by jumping to advice Resources:  The Harm Reduction Workbook for Addiction: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781648481901  Kristen’s social media links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristin-dempsey-ed-d-lpcc-lmft-322812a Bluesky: ‪@kristind-lmft-lpcc.bsky.social‬ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100057356474362.  For more on Kristen’s webinars and podcasts, in addition to information about her practice, see here: https://www.kristindempseycounseling.com/ Order The Harm Reduction Workbook and find free worksheets: https://www.newharbinger.com/9781648481901/the-harm-reduction-workbook-for-addiction/ Yael’s newsletter on listening About Kristin Dempsey Kristin L. Dempsey, EdD, LMFT, LPCC, is a psychotherapist, counselor educator, and trainer. For thirty years, she has supported individuals with exploring their own relationships to substances. She is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) and has been privileged to provide motivational interviewing (MI) training to thousands of people in behavioral health, primary care, public health, school, corrections, and human services organizations. Related Episodes 66. Helping People Change Using Motivational Interviewing With Nadine Mastroleo 286. Not Drinking Tonight with Amanda White 101. The Complete Family Guide to Addiction with Thomas Harrison and Hillary Connery 202. The Addiction Inoculation with Jess Lahey 135. Power of Empathy and Motivational Interviewing with Stephen Rollnick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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