Sunday Sanctuary with Petra Bagust

There's no naming and shaming on this episode of Sunday Sanctuary. Instead, we're here to name what causes us shame and realise that we can move through it. To kick off this episode, Petra brings back an old segment of the show called Atlas of the Heart, where Grace McArthur digs into Brené Brown's book of the same name. Later on, Rev. Spanky Moore joins to explore the experience of shame and one experience he had of moving through.
In-between there is a sacred text from author Hanya Yanagihara, a time for self-reflection and waiata from Sade and Michael Kiwanuka. Haere mai!
Brené Brown's shame resilience exercise:
Recognise shame - Can you recognise what it feels like? What triggered it?
Become aware - Can you reality check the messages shame is telling you? Are they actually true?
Reach out - Share your story with a trustworthy person. Open yourself up to receiving empathy.
Unpack - Explain how it made you feel.
Sacred Text:
An excerpt from Hanya Yanagihara's 2015 novel A Little Life
Music:
You are the Gold by Terrible Sons (intro song)
Instrumental by The Fuzzy Robes
Tesifa by Laney Tripp
Cold Little Heart by Michael Kiwanuka
Peace Piece by Bill Evans Trio
Like a Tattoo by Sade
Rivers That You Cannot See by North Americans

Addiction is such a huge topic which can't be covered properly in one episode, so this episode of Sunday Sanctuary is primarily for those in the orbit of people struggling with addiction. How can we support those who we know are struggling? Do we need to seek support for ourselves?
To start off, Producer Sam hit the streets to talk to everyday people about their experiences with addiction. Later on, Petra Bagust talks to Rev. Petra Zaleski, an Anglican priest and spiritual care practitioner. Petra has a graduate diploma in addictions and mental health as well as lived experience with alcoholism.
Come for the compassionate support for loving those in the grips of addiction and stay for the 'sacred text' from the film The Outrun as well as music from James Brown and Lily Allen.
Sacred Text:
- Scene from the 2024 film The Outrun
Music:
You are the Gold by Terrible Sons (intro song)
Space is the Place by Ezra Collective
Caja de la Sala by Kruangbin
King Heroin by James Brown
NIUEANS OF ARIKI STREET - HOME- 01 by Hanisi Garue
Walk Alone to Hear Thoughts of Your Own by Laura Misch
Eveyone's At It by Lily Allen
memory as miniatures by Rachika Nayar

Changing your mind about what you want for dinner is easy. Changing your mind about what you think about someone, how you vote, or what you believe, is not. In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, Petra talks with friend of the show Spanky Moore and producer Sam talks to Jesuit priest Father Michael Smith in search of some guidance through the process of re-evaluating our opinions.
Music:
Losalamitoslatinfunklovesong by Gene Harris
Bean by Orions Belte
I Might be Wrong by Radiohead
Pine Trees by Mary Lattimore
Can I Change my Mind by Tyrone Davis
Zionsville by Khruangbin

This episode originally came out in 2024
Holding a grudge is a tantalising temptation. Especially when someone has clearly wronged us. After all, they deserve to be held accountable for what they did, right?
In this episode, Petra and her guests explore what the big fuss is with forgiveness. And we’re not just talking about the earth-shattering acts of forgiveness, but garden variety forgiveness that can be weaved into our everyday life as we inevitably bump into the people around us.
Petra talks to counsellor and podcaster, Charlotte Cummings about the emotional world of forgiveness, and Rev Dr Malcolm Gordon about the nuts and bolt of the forgiveness process.
So if you’ve got a grudge that won’t budge, you’ve come to the right place.
Sacred Text:
Excerpt from The Book of Forgiving by Desmond and Mpho tutu.
Rev Malcolm Gordon's Podcast Series:
A Field Guide to Forgiveness
Featured Music:
The Light by The Album Leaf
I'm Not Sorry by Morrissey
Brother by The Brilliance

The role of fathers in our lives can be a mixed bag. There are, of course, tremendous examples of good fatherhood around and yet the brokenness of absent or abusive fathers casts a long shadow.
So what does that mean for our view of God, who is so often referred to as father?
Petra's first guest is John Cowan, a broadcaster, parenting coach, father and grandfather who's spent decades examining family dynamics and can happily provide a bit of encouragement to dads listening.
Sam Bloore also joins us with his thoughts on God as father, and how different framing of the devine can give fresh vitality to our unique spiritual journeys.
Music:
You are the Gold by Terrible Sons (theme music)
My Old Man by Mac DeMarco
Old Man by Neil Young
Sweet Child O' Mine by Guns N' Roses