THE RUNNING EFFECT PODCAST

In one year, Hattie Ray Beshears went from just missing nationals to chasing a national title. In this installment of our Fleet Feet x Brooks High School Cross Country Series, Dominic talks with the Har-Ber junior, two days after her 16:35 Arkansas 6A state title, about the year her 5K dropped from 17:33 to 16:12. She traces it back to a soccer concussion that left her in a dark room for a week, and to her sister, Lilly, now at BYU, who showed her that sleep, food, water and stretching matter. 

Hattie Ray explains why her coach told her to back off after she averaged 4:57 for mile repeats in early summer, why she’s kept her mileage around 30 to 35 a week, and what it’s like to run cross country with a grass allergy. She walks through her workout mornings, the 30-minute drive to the nearest open track, and the pillow and blanket she keeps in her coach’s classroom for a mid-morning nap. She’s honest about how hard the weight room is for her, and she talks about the faith that drives her, partly inspired by Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone. 

She’s still waiting on a Golden Ticket and makes a humble case for one, and Dominic makes a much less humble case for her. Wherever this season takes her, Hattie Ray has already shown how far patience, consistency and a big sister in your corner can carry a runner, and we can’t wait to watch her chase the rest. 

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David Roche thinks coaches get way too much credit. His athletes might disagree.

Days after Jess McClain finished second at the New York City Marathon, the Leadville 100 record-holder and SWAP co-founder joins Dominic to trace an unlikely path from former college football player to one of the most sought-after coaches in running. David explains why his naive start became his greatest asset, why imposter syndrome still hits hardest after his athletes' biggest days, and how he and Dr. Megan Roche run a weekly journal club hunting for the convergent evolution between training systems.

He makes the case that high-carb fueling and bicarb reshaped the sport at the same time, breaks down zone compression and the lactate shuttle, and explains why the stress an athlete can absorb is usually lower than you think. He opens up about the 2024 car crash that shifted his perspective, the liberating power of impermanence, and why ego needs to be fed while confidence rebuilds itself.

Plus, the post-mortem on Jess's Tokyo World Championships marathon, the uphill treadmill signal that defined his year, and the three athletes outside SWAP whose training challenges him most.

As David puts it, what an athlete is capable of looks delusional from a distance and inevitable up close. Seeing that early is the magic of coaching.

Grab your headphones, settle in, and enjoy a conversation that's equal parts science and heart, with part two already on the wish list.

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Kelsey Quinn got her dream job the old-fashioned way.  

When the On Athletics Club posted its first assistant coaching job, the former Iowa 400m hurdler from Cedar Rapids sent in an application. She beat out more than a hundred candidates and moved her baby and toddler to Boulder, betting that the fit was right.

Just off the plane from the New York City Marathon, Kelsey tells Dominic why running is for everybody, from influencers in costumes to Hellen Obiri, and why fans gain as the sport opens up. She explains why she stays off Strava and how a sprinter found her home coaching distance runners and steeplechasers.

She also shares what Portland’s magical 2018 cross country season taught her about team culture. She names her coaching Mount Rushmore, and argues that with talents like Yared Nuguse, the real job is keeping them healthy, not getting fancy. Then she opens up about the hardest part of coaching: staying steady when the lows hit as hard as the highs.

Along the way, she talks about how being a mom has shaped her as a coach, and gives three habits for young athletes with big dreams. She closes with a bit of Midwest wisdom: how you make people feel matters more than almost anything.

This conversation is full of heart, honesty and a love of the sport you can’t fake. 

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The hat made the Hall of Fame before he did. 

Dave Wottle’s white golf cap was a freebie handed to meet officials while he was injured in 1971, and it went into the National Track & Field Hall of Fame four years ahead of its owner.

Dominic sits down with the 1972 Olympic 800m champion, still the last American man to win the event. Their conversation starts with a shy Canton freshman who almost walked away from the track sign-up, and ends with the photo finish in Munich, when his name flashed first on the scoreboard. Wottle explains why he always considered himself a miler. He also tells how an 800 he ran purely as a speed workout ended in a tied world record he didn’t know existed, and what it felt like when Roger Bannister stopped him on his jog back to the village.

He revisits Bill Bowerman’s “traded a gold medal for a wife” jab and the chance flight that turned it into a dinner invitation. He talks about the 1973 Hayward mile against Steve Prefontaine, which he still regrets not racing for the record. He also looks back on the short-lived pro circuit, the U.S. middle-distance revival, Cooper Lutkenhaus, and the faith that grounded him.

Fifty-four years later, the autograph requests still arrive every week. Wottle’s final message is a gift to every runner: find the talent you’ve been given, do the work, and trust that the lessons this sport teaches stay with you long after the last race.

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Jerry Schumacher called it on day one.

When Kieran Tuntivate joined the Bowerman Track Club in 2020, Jerry told him he could run any event he wanted, but he was going to be a marathoner someday. Six years later, Kieran has been with Jerry longer than anyone else in the group, and the prediction came true with a 2:08:01 Thai national record in his Chicago Marathon debut. 

Kieran thinks it could have gone better.

He takes Dominic through the whole build. He spent the summer at 4,500 feet in Park City, Utah, with peak weeks around 125 miles. Kieran explains why he kept super shoes out of his long runs and how lifting heavy twice a week held his legs together over the last 10K. 

He also lays out how the training partnership with Charles Hicks works. Charles is the marathon veteran, and Kieran brings the track speed, which is how he outkicked him at the New Haven 20K. They also get into why Kieran stayed while so many friends left Bowerman, and how Jerry coaches each generation differently. Kieran talks about Alex Ostberg as the analytical counterweight to Jerry’s eye, makes a bold call on how fast Charles can go, and describes the running boom back in Thailand.

More than anything, Kieran wants young runners in Thailand to believe they can be great distance runners, too. With 18 national records already, he’s showing them it can be done.

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