And The Writer Is...with Ross Golan

Today's guest is the name behind a decade of names you already know by heart. Eight weeks at #1 with Drake. Over a billion streams off a single Travis Scott beat. A top-six Hot 100 record with Migos, Nicki Minaj, and Cardi B — all on one song. Nipsey Hussle. French Montana. A whole generation of trap and rap that doesn't sound the way it sounds without him. And here's the part that should annoy every producer alive: he made most of it in under 20 minutes, by himself.

And The Writer Is... Murda Beatz!

In this episode of And The Writer Is, we go deep on:

- Why doubt is important
- The principal who told him being a producer was "unrealistic" — and what he'd say to him now
- Making "Nice For What" in 20 minutes — and why it was never actually mixed
- Selling beats over Western Union for $50–$200 — until working with the Migos got him flagged for fraud
- DMing his way from a Canadian bedroom to Chief Keef, the Migos, and Nipsey Hussle
- The Migos teaching him to cook beats in 10 minutes: "you gotta be faster"
Losing his dad at 21 — and how he handles grief while the machine keeps running

and his new mixtape, 'Bando'

And much more...

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Chapters:

0:00 Intro
1:45 The best producer tag that isn't yours
2:32 The songs: "Nice For What," "Butterfly Effect," "MotorSport"
3:03 The plaque wall — and the one with "some crazy number"
4:29 When the label wouldn't put a producer's name on the plaque
7:00 Born in Niagara Falls, a town of 3,000 on the Buffalo border
8:33 A dad who played guitar, a left-handed kid on the drums
11:36 Why so many great musicians come from Canada
13:08 Trading the drum kit for trap beats
14:29 Digging for Lex Luger drum kits in Skype groups
16:25 "Murda Beatz on the track" — building a fanbase on Facebook and YouTube
19:38 The principal who said being a producer was "unrealistic"
21:51 "The doubt is important" — Michael Jordan and manufacturing motivation
24:50 How you go from YouTube to a $20,000 check
26:33 Learning his value — refusing to be a "sound producer"
27:26 Selling beats on Western Union, and getting flagged for fraud
33:00 Being a white kid making rap on Chicago's South Side
35:02 How he met the Migos on the internet
40:36 Making "Pipe It Up" — and learning to cook beats in 10 minutes
42:32 World #1s in 15–20 minutes: "Butterfly Effect" and "Nice For What"
45:35 Curating a beat pack — and remembering every beat by name
51:24 The crazy fact about "Butterfly Effect": it was never mixed
52:13 "MotorSport" hits #6 — sitting on it for four months
53:24 Making Nipsey Hussle's beat his first day in LA
56:55 "Nice For What" — made in Canada, #1 for eight weeks
62:10 Adjusting as hip-hop changes: "I made rap because I wanted to make rap"
63:42 Producer vs. featured artist — why go solo
68:17 Simplicity: 8–10 stems and nothing wasted
69:27 Losing his dad at 21, and how he deals with grief
70:14 The alone time that built everything
71:15 What's next: the "Bando" project, ten years after his first mixtape
73:02 Rapid fire: signature beat, Mount Rushmore of producers
77:25 Murda Melodies — the plugin that landed on a Bad Bunny record
80:28 Advice for upcoming producers
80:31 A message to his mom — and what he'd tell his dad

Credits:
Hosted by Ross Golan
Produced by Joe London & Jad Saad
Edited by Jad Saad
Post-Production VFX by Pratik Karki
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Today's guest is a rising star who's risen so fast he's not really rising anymore — he's just a star.

From a bedroom in Luton playing $50 nylon-string covers and open mics playing for 4 people... Three years later: a billion streams, "Stargazing" on President Obama's summer playlist, two singles that took over pop radio before he'd ever made a debut album, and a debut album sourced from the notes he wrote in therapy that saved him.

He's proof that sometimes all you really need is a guitar, a work ethic, and a Taco Bell-poisoned night in Malibu to write a song people argue about in twenty languages.

And the writer is... Myles Smith!

If you've ever wanted something so badly you didn't think to ask what it would cost when it arrived — this is the conversation.

And The Writer Is... Myles Smith!

In this episode of And The Writer Is, we go deep on:

• Why he scrubbed every song he made before 2023 — and what "I didn't exist before 2023" actually means
• His advice for up and coming artists...
• The end-of-Covid breakdown at 18 that almost ended things — and the therapy notes that became My Mess, My Heart, My Life.
• Meeting Peter Fenn on the last day of a six-week US trip — and writing "My Home" in the first hour
• The Taco Bell food-poisoning night in Malibu that produced "Stargazing"
• The hidden cost of success on his relationships
• "Hey mom, I want to retire you" — and what she said back

And much more...

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CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
2:21 My Mess, My Heart, My Life.
3:16 The pressure of being "right at the start of the journey"
4:35 "If you take away the hits, you could see where I really am"
4:54 "I wake up some days in a catastrophe"
6:01 The five albums he wore out
7:23 His mum, his absent dad, and a single-parent household
8:22 Singing in church with his grandma
11:41 First talent show: Fix You by Coldplay
13:01 The $50 nylon-string guitar that started it
14:02 Playing "Dream Girl" for his mum at 10
15:23 Growing up Black in Luton and the Labrinth Electronic album that broke his brain open
18:45 Open mics at 11 — his mum driving him to every one
20:18 Why open mics built him in a way the algorithm can't
21:43 "I was really lucky that I got to fail a thousand times"
22:30 The first real gig — 100 cap, 90 friends and family, indie band Bear with a Three
29:18 Covid, isolation, rock bottom
30:44 Therapy — and the notes that became the album
33:06 Trust issues, anxiety, the night at 18 he tried to "ctrl alt delete on life"
35:12 What he'd say to 18-year-old him
36:55 The videographer who pushed him to try TikTok
37:25 "I'm not trying that shit" — and the Sweater Weather cover that changed everything
40:24 How he paved his way onto an Amber Run tour with one recorded song
43:40 NMPA mid-roll
44:22 The day his career actually started: meeting Peter Fenn
46:08 "Music with other people is supposed to be fun" — Peter's first lesson
49:01 "My Home" — written in the first hour of meeting Peter
54:48 After Stargazing: "stuck in the future"
60:06 Brain scans, burnout, smiling through it all
62:30 "Hey mom, I want to retire you" — and what she said
63:31 The UK artists who don't love being famous — Ed Sheeran, James Bay, Niall Horan
66:12 Are you happy?
78:29 "I hated Niall Horan" — and why
80:11 Rapid fire
83:32 Meeting his wife with all this happening
85:00 The album as the closing of the first chapter
90:46 Pulling up the old voice memos
92:02 The Taco Bell night that became "Stargazing"
95:39 The biggest pinch-me moment of the last three years
98:06 Ross and Joe tape notes

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CREDITS BLOCK
Credits:
Hosted by Ross Golan
Produced by Joe London & Jad Saad
Edited by Jad Saad
Post-Production VFX by Pratik Karki
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

And The Update Is…a weekly beat on the industry . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today's guest came up in the biggest band in the world at seventeen, watched it pause at twenty-two, and built a solo career almost no one in his position has ever managed to sustain. From success, to tragedy, and back... This Irishman makes his triumphant return to the stage and our hearts with 'Dinner Party'.

And The Writer Is... Niall Horan!

He talks about Liam not as a tribute beat, but as a presence — what fires you up to walk on stage when somebody you love would still want to be there. After the band, after the loss, after four albums — who do you become?

In this episode of And The Writer Is, we go deep on:
- Coming off the 2024 tour that sold over a million arena tickets "without a big smash hit of the show"
- The twelve-week Southeast Asia backpacking trip that came right before "This Town"
- The story of songs like 'Heaven', 'Slow Hands', 'This Town', and Liam's song...
- Pushing One Direction's sound from "What Makes You Beautiful" toward "Story Of My Life"
- Going solo at twenty-three and being terrified the music was about to end
- Julian Bunetta's intervention on "End Of An Era": "this song is about Liam, we just don't know it yet"
- "Dinner Party," the new album, and the next world tour

Hit subscribe and turn on notifications. Every week, we go deep with the most interesting creatives in music.
Follow us on socials: @andthewriteris

A special thank you to our sponsors for making these conversations possible.
Our lead sponsor, NMPA — the National Music Publishers' Association. Your support means the world to us.

0:00 Intro
1:12 Straight back to the studio after the 2024 arena tour
2:13 Over a million tickets sold in 2024 — "and I just wasn't expecting it"
3:23 Meeting on the One Direction tour years ago — abandoned buildings, makeshift studios, 200 fans outside within the hour
5:46 The post-show ritual: shower, shorts, Netflix, no drinking
9:20 Concerts as events now — the fans build it before he arrives
10:08 "I grew up on Slow Hands" — Sombr and the new guard
14:34 Why the Irish footprint is so big — and why Irish men can't say it out loud
17:16 First concert was the Eagles at four — and his mom's Hotel California vinyl
18:44 How Niall's listening drove One Direction's sound toward "Story Of My Life"
24:58 Savan Kotecha asks: sticking to your guns when every era says chase the trend
27:43 "I don't think I'd be able to sell something else that doesn't come from me"
34:34 Going solo at twenty-three — and being terrified it was all going to end
35:32 How watching the other boys release first actually fired him up
40:05 "You can't chase Slow Hands" — the law Niall heard John Ryan name on this podcast
45:15 Why he went backpacking through Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand and the Philippines after the band
46:39 Why Slow Hands taking twenty weeks to #1 was actually the goal
56:11 "The minute you think you're a household name, it's game over"
57:03 What The Voice actually did to his crowd
66:55 "Heartbreak Weather" — wanting to be the song that stands out, even at the cost of being safe
75:09 Writing Heaven at 1am in Joshua Tree — and John Ryan about to walk away
80:53 Liam Payne, and the song that wrote itself in five minutes once Julian said the thing nobody was saying
89:02 The lowest moment of his career — and it's not what you'd guess
93:36 The waterfall effect — the people you surround yourself with

Credits:
Hosted by Ross Golan
Produced by Joe London & Jad Saad
Edited by Jad Saad
Post-Production VFX by Pratik Karki
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.