Christ Over All

ABOUT THE EPISODE
Listen in as Trent Hunter and Stephen Wellum interview David Schrock on his COA Longform Essay, "Seeking a Convention That Is Not Southern Baptist In Name Only: How to Regain Trust, Rebuild the Trustee System, and Avoid an Impending Exodus of Vocal Conservatives"
Timestamps
00:45 – Intro
02:15 – Each COA Member’s SBC Biography
08:08 – Why Is COA Doing this Month?
12:50 – What 2 or 3 Articles From This Month are Recommended?
15:22 – Recognizing Leaders Whose Humility Regains Trust
20:50 – Applying Theology to the SBC Issues
25:46 – Recruiting Trustees Who Will Hold Entities Accountable
28:34 – The Baptist Courier Ad
29:50 – Accountability for Trustees
34:08 – Trustee Selection
36:00 – Reorganizing the Convention to Magnify Trust
44:14 – What Should SBC Messengers Be Looking For Between Now and Orlando?
51:32 – Walking in a Spirit of Cooperation/Outro
Resources to Click
“Seeking a Convention That Is Not Southern Baptist In Name Only: How to Regain Trust, Rebuild the Trustee System, and Avoid an Impending Exodus of Vocal Conservatives” – David Schrock
“Southern Baptists warm to alternate moniker ‘Great Commission Baptists’” – Adelle M. Banks
“Under Reconstruction: How the Egalitarian Beachball Wrecks the Household of God” – Christ Over All
“Creeds, Confessions, and Cooperation: The Basis of Our Unity” – Christ Over All
“The Ethics & Religious Liberty Conundrum” – Christ Over All
“More Money Than Men: The NAMB Church Planting Problem” – Michael Clary
“Whoever Holds the Purse Holds the Strings: The Financial Plan that Could End the SBC” – Rhett Burns
“What’s Trusty About SBC Trustees: Does Trustee Training Fix Ailing Entities or Institutionalize Passivity?” – Jon Whitehead
“Why Baptists Must Recover the Order of Love” – Alex Kocman
“One Sacred Effeminacy: The Cooperative Longhouse And the Great Feminization of the SBC” – Doug Ponder
“14 Clint Pressley, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘The SBC: A Presidential Perspective with Clint Pressley’” – Christ Over All
“16 Josh Powell, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘Getting to Know SBC Presidential Candidate Josh Powell’” – Christ Over All
“17 Willy Rice, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘Getting to Know SBC Presidential Candidate Willy Rice’” – Christ Over All
“What Is the Cause of Our Divisions? Social Media and Other Strategies for Effecting Positive Change in the SBC” – David Schrock
“The Attempt to Clarify Resolution 9” – Tom Ascol
“Stewardship of Our SBC Land” – Mark Coppenger
“‘Too Busy with Woke Stuff’: The All Too (In)Visible and Inconsequential ERLC” – Megan Basham
“New Boss, Same as the Old Boss: Michels’ Iron Law of Oligarchy and the SBC” – Joshua Abbotoy
By What Standard? God’s World, God’s Rules – Founders Ministries
How the SBC Got Played – Crosspolitic Studios
X post by Cuatro Nelson (@cuatronelson), “On Sunday, we officially voted to leave the Southern Baptist Convention…,” September 18, 2025
“We Don’t Like Theology, Do We? Three Reflections from the 2021 Southern Baptist Convention” – David Schrock
“The SBC Isn’t Drifting—It’s Being Steered: A Sober-Minded Response to Emotional Sabotage” – Michael Carlino
“Greear Announces Most Diverse Ever Committee on Committees” – Brent Hobbs
“The Great Commission Resurgence Debate” – Trevin Wax
Theme of the Month: Can the Center Hold? The Southern Baptist Convention in the 21st Century
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Books to Read
Fault Lines: The Social Justice Movement and Evangelicalism’s Looming Catastrophe – Voddie Baucham Jr.
Shepherds for Sale: How Evangelical Leaders Traded the Truth for a Leftist Agenda– Megan Basham
The Fractured Republic: Renewing America’s Social Contract in an Age of Individualism – Yuval Levin

ABOUT THE EPISODE
Many aspects of the SBC are broken, and this article charts a possible route forward into a dawn marked by humble leaders, diligent trustees, and a reorganization.
Resources to Click
“Seeking a Convention That Is Not Southern Baptist In Name Only: How to Regain Trust, Rebuild the Trustee System, and Avoid an Impending Exodus of Vocal Conservatives” – David Schrock
“Southern Baptists warm to alternate moniker ‘Great Commission Baptists’” – Adelle M. Banks
“Under Reconstruction: How the Egalitarian Beachball Wrecks the Household of God” – Christ Over All
“Creeds, Confessions, and Cooperation: The Basis of Our Unity” – Christ Over All
“The Ethics & Religious Liberty Conundrum” – Christ Over All
“More Money Than Men: The NAMB Church Planting Problem” – Michael Clary
“Whoever Holds the Purse Holds the Strings: The Financial Plan that Could End the SBC” – Rhett Burns
“What’s Trusty About SBC Trustees: Does Trustee Training Fix Ailing Entities or Institutionalize Passivity?” – Jon Whitehead
“Why Baptists Must Recover the Order of Love” – Alex Kocman
“One Sacred Effeminacy: The Cooperative Longhouse And the Great Feminization of the SBC” – Doug Ponder
“14 Clint Pressley, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘The SBC: A Presidential Perspective with Clint Pressley’” – Christ Over All
“16 Josh Powell, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘Getting to Know SBC Presidential Candidate Josh Powell’” – Christ Over All
“17 Willy Rice, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘Getting to Know SBC Presidential Candidate Willy Rice’” – Christ Over All
“What Is the Cause of Our Divisions? Social Media and Other Strategies for Effecting Positive Change in the SBC” – David Schrock
“The Attempt to Clarify Resolution 9” – Tom Ascol
“Stewardship of Our SBC Land” – Mark Coppenger
“‘Too Busy with Woke Stuff’: The All Too (In)Visible and Inconsequential ERLC” – Megan Basham
“New Boss, Same as the Old Boss: Michels’ Iron Law of Oligarchy and the SBC” – Joshua Abbotoy
By What Standard? God’s World, God’s Rules – Founders Ministries
How the SBC Got Played – Crosspolitic Studios
X post by Cuatro Nelson (@cuatronelson), “On Sunday, we officially voted to leave the Southern Baptist Convention…,” September 18, 2025
“We Don’t Like Theology, Do We? Three Reflections from the 2021 Southern Baptist Convention” – David Schrock
“The SBC Isn’t Drifting—It’s Being Steered: A Sober-Minded Response to Emotional Sabotage” – Michael Carlino
“Greear Announces Most Diverse Ever Committee on Committees” – Brent Hobbs
“The Great Commission Resurgence Debate” – Trevin Wax
Theme of the Month: Can the Center Hold? The Southern Baptist Convention in the 21st Century
Give to Support the Work
 
Books to Read
Fault Lines: The Social Justice Movement and Evangelicalism’s Looming Catastrophe – Voddie Baucham Jr.
Shepherds for Sale: How Evangelical Leaders Traded the Truth for a Leftist Agenda– Megan Basham
The Fractured Republic: Renewing America’s Social Contract in an Age of Individualism – Yuval Levin

ABOUT THE EPISODE
Listen in as David Schrock and Stephen Wellum interview SBC Presidential Candidate Willy Rice.
Timestamps
00:51 – Intro
05:08 – Why Willy Rice Has Sought the Presidency of the SBC
06:57 – What Changed Willy Rice’s Perspective
10:07 – Insiders and Outsiders
14:30 – The Breakdown and Regaining of Trust
18:46 – Where are the Places for Communication?
21:51 – What Can the Trustees Be Doing to Help?
25:08 – Willy Rice’s Assessment of the Trustees
29:04 – The Baptist Courier
30:22 – Being Transparent
35:12 – The State of DEI and Resolution 9 in the SBC
43:46 – What Place Does the ERLC Have in the SBC?
46:23 – What Kind of Leaders Do We Need in the SBC?
49:22 – What’s the Receptivity to Willy’s Message
53:23 – Seven Pillars for Baptist Renewal
56:36 – Outro
 Resources to Click
Theme of the Month: Can the Center Hold? The Southern Baptist Convention in the 21st Century
Give to Support the Work

ABOUT THE EPISODE
Listen in as David Schrock and Stephen Wellum interview SBC Presidential Candidate Josh Powell.
Timestamps
00:46 – Intro
06:07 – Why Josh Powell Wants to Be SBC President
13:52 – What are Some of the Biggest Things the SBC Has?
16:17 – Concrete Ways of Moving Forward without a Credentials Committee
22:07 – The Issue of Loss of Trust and How to Regain It
26:47 – What Kind of Influence Does Josh Powell Have to Make the SBC Stronger?
30:30 – The Baptist Courier
31:50 – Navigating the Question of Wokeness
39:26 – Confessing Where We Were Wrong
43:00 – What Lessons Can We Learn from The Sex Abuse Task Force
48:44 – Is There a Way for Leaders to Say They Were Wrong on This?
52:15 – What Kind of Leaders Would Best Serve the SBC?
56:07 – The ERLC: It’s Ideal Mission, Identity, and Leadership
59:39 – Where You Can Learn More about Josh Powell
1:01:08 – Outro
Resources to Click
Theme of the Month: Can the Center Hold? The Southern Baptist Convention in the 21st Century
Give to Support the Work
Books to Read
The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism is Tearing America Apart – Jeremy Carl

ABOUT THE EPISODE
Listen in as David Schrock interviews both Mark Coppenger and Brad Green on their COA Essays.
Timestamps
00:24 – Intro
06:20 – What are Some Things that are Encouraging about the SBC?
09:32 – Concerns about the SBC
13:07 – Four Different Way to Treat the Environment
19:54 – Coming Away from the Sex Abuse Crisis
23:56 – Believe All Women? Intersectionality at Play
28:24 – Have We Gotten Past Resolution 9?
32:20 – The Baptist Courier
33:53 – What Kind of Leaders Do We Need Going Forward?
40:30 – SBC Ingratiationism
43:40 – Is the Female Pastor Problem Because of Leaders Who are Unwilling to be Disaggreeable?
49:00 – How Do We Faithfully Grow?
53:11 – There is Still a Drift in the SBC
54:50 – SBC Presbyterianism: A ‘Hierarchy’ Within the SBC
1:04:25 – Final Thoughts: What Leaders Do We Need Today?
1:06:38 – Outro
 Resources to Click
“Five Reasons to Be Thankful for the Southern Baptist Convention” – Brad Green
“Stewardship of Our SBC Land” – Mark Coppenger
“The SBC in a Crowded Theater” – Mark Coppenger
“Who’s the Vandal?” – Mark Coppenger
“Alabama fan Harvey Updyke, poisoner of Auburn trees, dead at 71” – Mike Rodak
“Resolution 9 and the Southern Baptist Convention 2019” – Tom Ascol
“The Ethics & Religious Liberty Conundrum” – Christ Over All
“Freedom of Speech” – Norman Rockwell
Theme of the Month: Can the Center Hold? The Southern Baptist Convention in the 21st Century
Give to Support the Work
Books to Read
What is Critical Theory?: A Concise Christian Analysis – Bradley G. Green