Dental Leaders Podcast

This expansive and deeply reflective episode features Anne-Sophie Flury — neuroscientist, psychology graduate, former PhD researcher, and wellness educator — whose work bridges hard science with lived human experience. Known online as “Coochie by Gucci,” Anne-Sophie brings rare honesty and intellectual clarity to conversations about the brain, trauma, intuition, and emotional agency.Rhona and Payman explore Anne-Sophie’s unconventional academic journey, from leaving a business degree for psychology to working in experimental neuroscience and neuropsychopharmacology alongside leading researchers. Together, they unpack why understanding the brain isn’t enough — and how learning that the brain can change became the turning point in Anne-Sophie’s own mental health and sense of agency.The conversation moves fluidly through modern overwhelm: social media burnout, dopamine addiction, emotional over-identification, and the spiritualisation of feelings. Anne-Sophie offers a grounded, science-based perspective on meditation, psychedelics, mindfulness, and nervous system regulation — cutting through both clinical detachment and performative spirituality.What emerges is a powerful discussion about responsibility without shame, emotional awareness without indulgence, and why separating yourself from your thoughts may be the most liberating skill of all.In This Episode00:00:25 – Returning to Mind Movers & meeting Anne-Sophie00:01:45 – From business to psychology: finding intellectual purpose00:04:15 – Neuroscience, VR research & leaving the PhD00:07:20 – Failure, resilience & unconventional career pivots00:08:30 – “Coochie by Gucci”: identity, grief & online personas00:10:20 – Social media, activism & burnout00:12:30 – Doomscrolling, empathy fatigue & loss of motivation00:14:40 – Perfection culture, comparison & digital disconnection00:18:45 – Psychology vs neuroscience: understanding the brain00:20:05 – Psychedelics, policy & political suppression00:23:00 – What psychedelics actually do to the brain00:27:20 – Mental health, loneliness & early emotional struggles00:30:40 – The moment everything changed: “I can change my brain”00:31:50 – Meditation, neuroplasticity & emotional regulation00:34:00 – Agency, awareness & visualising a different life00:36:00 – Relationships, values & evolving identities00:38:10 – Can core values really change?00:40:10 – Trauma, intuition & emotional misinterpretation00:42:25 – Are we over-validating emotions?00:44:30 – Spiritual bypassing vs real growth00:45:00 – Float tanks, meditation & separating from thought00:48:20 – Anxiety vs intuition: learning the differenceAbout Anne-Sophie FluryAnne-Sophie Flury is a neuroscience and psychology specialist whose work focuses on emotional regulation, nervous system awareness, and personal agency. After completing a psychology degree, a master’s in experimental neuroscience, and publishing research during her PhD, she stepped away from academia to make science accessible in the real world.Blending research, lived experience, and practical tools, Anne-Sophie helps people understand not just why they feel the way they do — but how to change it. Her work challenges emotional fatalism, encourages responsibility without self-blame, and reframes mental health as something dynamic rather than fixed.

Chiara Burgio's path to dentistry started with a Parisian psychoanalyst and a ten-minute stare. What followed was an international training odyssey—from Madrid to Milan, Brazil to NYU—that shaped her approach to aesthetic dentistry. In this conversation, she opens up about the pull of digital workflows, the art of composite layering, and what it really means to work alongside someone like Christian Coachman. But there's a shadow side to her drive, too. That relentless perfectionism, the kind that keeps her reviewing cases long after she's left the practice. It's the thing that makes her brilliant, and the thing she's learning to tame.In This Episode00:01:45 - International roots and family ties00:03:00 - Choosing dentistry over economics00:04:25 - The Parisian psychoanalyst who changed everything00:18:30 - NYU aesthetics programme and American training00:28:45 - Digital dentistry and working with Coachman00:42:15 - Composite layering and aesthetic philosophy00:58:20 - Blackbox thinking01:11:30 - Toxic ambition01:12:40 - Fantasy dinner party01:15:25 - Last days and legacyAbout Chiara BurgioChiara Burgio is a dentist practising in London with a focus on aesthetic and restorative dentistry. She completed the NYU Advanced Aesthetic Program and has trained internationally across Milan, Brazil, and New York, bringing a digital-first approach to composite work and smile design.

In this episode of Dental Leaders, Payman chats with Deepa Patel, a locum dentist with the unique experience of working inside over 100 different practices. Having held every role from nurse and receptionist to practice manager before qualifying, Deepa shares why the happiest practices aren't always the most high-tech, and why the most profitable dentists aren't always the most skilled.They touch on her philosophy of treating "dental and mental health" together and discuss how a transformative 10-day silent meditation retreat shifted her focus from perfection to presence. From humming during extractions to her daily gratitude practice, Deepa reveals to Payman why emotional intelligence is just as vital as clinical precision in modern dentistry.In This Episode01:20 - Mini smile makeovers and composite work04:10 - Mindset around colour conversations05:30 - Lessons from inside 100 practices08:00 - Adapting to different equipment10:20 - Respect for nurses and teamwork12:45 - Why reception is the hardest job14:35 - Handling difficult patients17:10 - Dentists who couldn't do nursing22:30 - Working in corporate versus independent24:45 - Meeting patients in the waiting room30:15 - Teeth colour and ageing33:20 - Humming to keep patients calm37:30 - Ethical treatment planning39:20 - Disagreeing with treatment plans42:05 - Motherhood and work-life balance47:50 - The silent meditation retreat experience50:15 - Living in the moment54:15 - Treating dental and mental health together56:35 - Blackbox thinking01:00:50 - Manager power in corporates01:09:25 - Courses as an investment01:10:10 - Writing ten gratitudes every morningAbout Deepa PatelDeepa Patel qualified as a dentist in India before moving to the UK, where she worked as a hygienist, dental nurse, receptionist, and practice manager whilst completing her ORE exams. She now works two days a week at a Bupa practice and spends the rest of her time as a locum dentist, having gained experience in over 100 different practices across the UK. Deepa completed a transformative 10-day Vipassana silent meditation retreat and practices daily gratitude, writing ten things she's grateful for every morning. She lives in Derbyshire with her husband and two children, aged 16 and 4.

This week, Payman sits down with Adeel Ali, an implantologist who's taken the kind of risks most dentists only talk about. Seven years qualified and he's already built multiple UK practices, mastered full-arch implantology including zygomatics, and most recently moved his family to Qatar to open a clinic from scratch—all whilst flying back every three weeks to maintain UK commitments. The conversation reveals someone refreshingly honest about not being naturally gifted clinically, instead crediting a relentless work ethic inherited from his father's 40-year retail career. They discuss marrying at 24, having kids young, and deliberately choosing to excel in every domain simultaneously rather than sequentially. Adeel's approach to business follows a simple framework: character-assassinate potential partners for integrity, find the best person doing what you want to learn, and when uncertainty hits, pray five times daily and trust it'll work out. From explaining why people should die with fixed teeth rather than dentures to how his wife rewired his mindset about Qatar, this episode offers an unfiltered look at making bold moves work through spiritual conviction and practical ruthlessness.In This Episode00:01:20 - Work ethic and retail roots00:04:25 - Teaching kids about money and work00:09:10 - Family dynamics and sacrifice00:13:50 - Marrying young and choosing fatherhood00:16:50 - Struggling through dental school00:22:15 - Life-changing full arch work00:23:25 - Finding mentors and the Tatum course00:26:25 - Three-tier training programme00:29:10 - Advice for aspiring implantologists00:33:45 - Aha moments in implantology00:43:15 - Mentorship beyond clinical skills00:46:50 - Choosing business partners00:51:15 - Practice acquisitions and growth strategy00:53:20 - Comfortable in the uncomfortable00:56:25 - Faith, religion and rating people holistically00:59:35 - Prayer and God consciousness01:05:50 - The Qatar move01:09:35 - Building London Implant Clinic from scratch01:12:35 - Wife's all-in mentality01:14:10 - Flying lifestyle and health concerns01:18:40 - Fantasy dinner party01:30:35 - Full arch consultation process01:36:25 - Cultural differences treating Qatari patientsAbout Adeel AliAdeel Ali is an implantologist who recently relocated to Qatar whilst maintaining UK practices. He's completed around 800 full arch cases and placed approximately 8,000 implants, focusing primarily on complex zygomatic and pterygoid cases. He runs a three-tier mentorship programme and travels between Qatar and the UK every three weeks.

In this Dental Leaders episode, Payman sits down with Fabian Farbahi, a 22-year-old Sheffield dental student who's already mastered something most people spend decades learning: the power of genuine conversation. Fabian spends 3.5-hour train journeys striking up chats with strangers because he's fascinated by people's stories—the same curiosity that drove him to become president of Sheffield's dental student society and spend two months on elective in Brazil learning Portuguese. They discuss Fabian's refreshingly unformed career path—he's drawn to oral surgery, intrigued by sports dentistry, passionate about public health behaviour change, and comfortable not knowing exactly which direction he'll take. The conversation covers his transformation from small-town student to confident stage presenter, lessons learned managing volunteers without pay, and why the best time to take business risks is when you're young. What emerges is someone who understands that dentistry isn't just about teeth—it's about connection, communication, and throwing yourself into uncomfortable situations until they become second nature.In This Episode00:03:35 - Choosing Sheffield and moving north00:06:45 - Clinical mistakes and university challenges00:07:40 - Student society presidency00:11:25 - Train conversations and connecting with strangers00:14:20 - Getting into dental school struggles00:17:40 - Career interests: implants, oral surgery, sports dentistry00:20:35 - Public health and behaviour change00:26:15 - Implantology path and the dip00:30:05 - Practice ownership versus travel ambitions00:32:20 - Two-month Brazil elective experience00:41:20 - Six-year projections and taking risks young00:44:30 - Managing people without payment00:50:15 - Business culture and leadership style00:54:50 - FDI World Dental Congress in Istanbul00:58:20 - Shadowing at Evo Dental01:01:30 - Sponsor hunting and sales lessons01:06:00 - Finding confidence through reinvention01:08:50 - Fantasy dinner partyAbout Fabian FarbahiFabian Farbahi is a fourth-year Sheffield dental student who served as president of the Sheffield University Dental Student Society. Originally from Taunton, he recently completed a two-month elective in Brazil, working across multiple cities whilst learning Portuguese and immersing himself in the culture.