Mamamia Out Loud

Em grew up watching this woman live her life online - and now she’s gone. Why and how and what does it mean?

Is it okay for older women to “perve” at younger men? One writer says yes, and also that there needs to be a new name for it.
Also, what people in the front row and concerts are really doing in their pants and why pop stars have had enough of it.
Clare has a message for Outlouders on her last show before her baby boy arrives. And it made her cry a little bit. Holly has a very, very weird little show for you, and Em wants you to get behind the return of the dragons.
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Recommendations
Em recommends the House Of The Dragon on HBO.
Clare recommends YOU, the Outlouders.
Holly recommends Small Prophets on ABC iview.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: 9 Questions To Ask Before Going 'No Contact'
Listen: ‘Old Money’ Face & The Fight Millennials Are Having With Their Parents
Listen: “Emotional Blackmail” An Update On Harry’s Visit Home
Listen: A ‘Food Free’ House & Everything We Know About Taylor’s Wedding
Listen: The Toddler Mum's Sex Story Everyone's Yelling About
Listen: Unpacked: Rivals, The Rompiest Show On Television
Listen: EMERGENCY MEETING: Karl, Tommy & The Sack
Listen: 'Australia Aged Me 13 Years' & Did Pauline Hanson Say That?
Listen: Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor’s Mystery Party
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What to read:
What in the faecal matter is going on with live concerts?
A fight in a sold-out theatre, and the problem with public behaviour in 2026.
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: Want to start a fight in 3 words? Work from home.
'I'm a WFH parent. Here are the 6 hacks I swear by to actually make it work.'
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens & Emily Vernem
Acting Group Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Executive Producer: Grace Rouvray
Video Producer: Josh Green
Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
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A literal giant castle is being wheeled into Madison Square Garden. Taylor’s dream wedding or an elaborate ruse? Amelia Lester has theories.
Callum Turner has just married Dua Lipa but his influencer ex says he always hated the spotlight. Why is it so deeply confronting when your ex… changes?
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Millennials are complaining about their Boomer parents buying yachts instead of helping them pay student loans. Clare Stephens is asking: Is it okay for your parents to be living lavishly when you can’t pay rent?
Oh, and forget 'Rich Face'- the absolute nonsense aesthetic beauty trend is 'Old Money Face'. Holly Wainwright unpacks why letting your face “erode” is suddenly the ultimate luxury flex.
Oh, and controversial sports correspondent Clare Stephens tells us how 20-year-old Aussie Maya Joint knocked Serena Williams out of Wimbledon.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to Rachel Ward on No Filter: Rachel Ward Looks Her Age. When Did That Become Radical?
Listen to our latest episode: “Emotional Blackmail” An Update On Harry’s Visit Home
Listen: Miranda Kerr’s Money Tree & Karl’s ‘Martyr Strategy’
Listen: The Toddler Mum's Sex Story Everyone's Yelling About
Listen: Unpacked: Rivals, The Rompiest Show On Television
Listen: EMERGENCY MEETING: Karl, Tommy & The Sack
Listen: 'Australia Aged Me 13 Years' & Did Pauline Hanson Say That?
Listen: Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor’s Mystery Party
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
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What to read:
Rachel Ward knows you think she 'looks old'. Her response is perfect.
'I'd never cared about Taylor Swift's love life. One moment just changed my mind.'
Two famous women just told us what they did to their faces. Somehow, it's still not enough.
'I blew a $62K inheritance in a year. This is exactly what I spent it on.'
There's never been a worse time to be in your 30s in Australia.
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Outlouders, enjoy this free taster of Mia Freedman, Holly Wainwright & Emily Vernem on our subscriber-only episode. You can listen to the full conversation: “Emotional Blackmail” An Update On Harry’s Visit Home
The royal reunion we've all been following might not happen after all.
Prince Harry and Meghan were reportedly planning to bring the kids to the UK for the first time in four years, but now the trip is in doubt after Harry's request for police protection was denied. Is this the latest chapter in the royal rift, or a completely reasonable decision from parents trying to protect their children?
Plus, Alex Cooper has finally responded to the allegations surrounding her media company, Unwell. It raises a familiar question: when the controversy centres on a man, why does the woman so often end up carrying the public fallout?
And Mia Freedman has some hard-earned advice for Alex about surviving life as a woman running a media company.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Miranda Kerr’s Money Tree & Karl’s ‘Martyr Strategy’
Listen: The Toddler Mum's Sex Story Everyone's Yelling About
Listen: Unpacked: Rivals, The Rompiest Show On Television
Listen: EMERGENCY MEETING: Karl, Tommy & The Sack
Listen: 'Australia Aged Me 13 Years' & Did Pauline Hanson Say That?
Listen: Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor’s Mystery Party
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Got questions or things you'd like Mia to talk about? Email us at outloud@mamamia.com.au
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
Check out the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter: Are you a William Hawk or a Harry Dove?
It's easy to dismiss her, but you should know about the cult of Alex Cooper.
Meghan Markle has only just arrived in Australia, but the most damning story about her has already been written.
'I spent a morning with Prince Harry. It wasn't at all like I expected.'
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: Why Fergie is the most feared royal.
THE END BITS:
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Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
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Getting yourself “fired” from your mainstream media gig can be the kiss of life for a free-speech warrior. Just ask Karl Stefonovic.
Taylor Swift is actually getting married this weekend and the very important Amelia Lester knows all the very important details.
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It’s tax time, and King Charles felt like he was missing out on all the fun so he decided to release his tax return. So, can he claim crowns?
Have you ever had to holiday in a ‘food free’ house (ie: one without breakfast, snacks or seconds) and wondered if it’s okay to order in? Clare has.
And, Miranda Kerr and her billionaire husband Evan Spiegel have waved a magic money wand and changed thousands of lives. Why?
While we’re at it, don’t miss last week’s Emergency meeting about Karl, with Mia bringing expert commentary. And read Holly’s column about the whole deal, here.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to No Filter: Jessica Rowe On The Brutal Public Humiliation That Changed Her Forever
Listen: The Toddler Mum's Sex Story Everyone's Yelling About
Listen: Unpacked: Rivals, The Rompiest Show On Television
Listen: EMERGENCY MEETING: Karl, Tommy & The Sack
Listen: 'Australia Aged Me 13 Years' & Did Pauline Hanson Say That?
Listen: Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor’s Mystery Party
Listen: A Very Cranky William & A Very Wicked Woman
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: The truth about Karl, Tommy and 'The Sack'.
'Taylor Swift was my ultimate single-girl companion. Now she belongs to someone else.'
'I waited hours to see King Charles in Sydney. It wasn't at all what I expected.'
THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au
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Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
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The essay is called Motherf***er. And the accompanying photos are of one of the world’s most beautiful women, breastfeeding a doll. What in the rage bait is all this?
An Outlouder’s dilemma: Sportsday makes your daughter cry. Does she still have to go?
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Plus, won’t something think of the plants? Garden centres are a hot-bed of criminal activity.
The letterbox to nowhere that might just help with loss and…
This week’s recommendations:
Em recommends America's Sweethearts: Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders Season 3.
Clare recommends Maternal Instinct the one part documentary on Netflix.
Holly recommends the Dreamfarm Garject Garlic Crusher.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to a DCC on No Filter: Payrises & Ponytails: Inside Faith Ward’s Life as a Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader
Listen: Unpacked: Rivals, The Rompiest Show On Television
Listen: EMERGENCY MEETING: Karl, Tommy & The Sack
Listen: 'Australia Aged Me 13 Years' & Did Pauline Hanson Say That?
Listen: Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor’s Mystery Party
Listen: A Very Cranky William & A Very Wicked Woman
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
Em Rata thinks the world wants her to be relatable. She couldn't be more wrong.
Every Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader shares the same signature look. Except Australian Faith Ward.
Kids sport in Australia is broken.
Taylor arrived at hospital with a newborn baby. The blood she was covered in wasn't her own.
THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au
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Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud
CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens & Emily Vernem
Acting Group Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Executive Producer: Grace Rouvray
Video Producer: Josh Green
Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.