Mamamia Out Loud

Sam Wood built a fitness empire for hundreds of thousands of Australian women. Now he's been charged with domestic violence offences after his arrest in Noosa, which he intends to defend. Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman and Jessie Stephens unpack what we know so far.

Plus, couples are getting ‘food divorces’ and psychologists are worried, but Mia actually already has one. Plus in big Outlouder news, she's finally learning how to cook. Huge, we know.

Also, Pete Davidson told Variety that Get Ready With Me videos make him feel like the world is broken. Jessie has spotted a small hypocrisy. Mia thinks something else is going on.

And, Holly and Jessie went to a professional photo shoot. Mia has one piece of constructive feedback.
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What to read:
Sam Wood turned reality TV fame into a multimillion-dollar empire. Now it's unravelling.
5 of the best RecipeTin Eats dishes, according to Mamamia.
Millions of Australians loved Dozer. Now RecipeTin Eats' Nagi Maehashi has said goodbye.
Pete Davidson's latest relationship has just had its official hard launch.
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Taylor Swift promised Life of a Showgirl was 12 bangers, no extras. Then came The Encore. Mia has a theory about why Taylor keeps doubling down and what it might have to do with an Oscar, while Holly asks whether it's sexist to want Taylor to have a little lie down and let us miss her.
Plus, Jessie has been manipulated into bringing Meghan news and she arrives with four juicy tidbits, including the pub that allegedly refused to serve the Duchess (and her controversial order - well, it surprised us). Plus Mia and Holly disagree about a Sussex Pap Walk.
And, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor is back. He's suing the police and the Norfolk gentry are inviting him to kitchen suppers. Holly explains what that means.
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Listen to our latest episode: Three Rules For Life & The Worst Person In A Conversation
Listen: "A Little Bit Gay" & "I Would Never Have Forgotten My Drugs": The Internet's Hunter Biden Obsession
Listen: The 'Cornell 7' Snapchat Messages & Can We Talk About This Exercise Trend?
Listen: The Victoria Beckham C-word Investigation
Listen: A School Holiday Reckoning & The 'Wifecore' Queen of the VMAs
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Got questions or things you'd like Mia to talk about? Email us at outloud@mamamia.com.au
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What to read:
The Life of a Showgirl leaves no doubt there will never be another Taylor Swift.
OPINION: 'The Life Of A Show Girl has me questioning everything.'
The Life of a Showgirl era isn't finished with us just yet.
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'Prince' Andrew's arrest is not what you think it is.
Is Meghan and Harry's return to the UK actually a big deal? An explainer.
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When did you realise you were an adult?
Not a specific age - but the moment you're suddenly the one who's supposed to know what to do. There's an essay doing the rounds arguing adults don't actually exist and we're all just winging it, some of us with better posture. So what actually defines an adult? Is it knowing the right thing to do or just being the one willing to do it, even when you'd rather not? And if nobody really has it figured out, what's the risk in admitting that out loud?
Plus, Holly, Mia and Em on the exact moment each of them realised: oh, it's me. I'm the adult.
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What to read:
Do you have 'ferritin face' or are you just exhausted?
'I've spent 25 years helping women manage stress. Here's what no one can admit about burnout.'
'I couldn't figure out why I hated my coworker. Then I learnt about task-masking.'
How much money do you need to be happy? Here's what the research says.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Mia Freedman, Holly Wainwright and Em Vernem
Group Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit
Video Producer: Josh Green
Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
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Holly Wainwright finds Laurie Anderson’s three rules for life inspiring. Em Vernem finds them embarrassing - so cue a generational war in today’s episode.
Plus, The Guardian has named the five types of people ruining conversations, from the serial monologuer to the trauma dumper. Holly, Jessie and Em have met every one of them, and one is hated more than the rest.
Also, Jessie has found a recruiter who says to never walk into a job interview holding this one diverse item. We debate whether its a fair accessory or a power play.
And, the New York Times ranks the 100 best TV shows of the century and we have all your reccos for the long weekend.
Recommendations
Holly recommends How To Be Hopeful by Caitlin Moran
Jessie recommends Vinted for all your second hand shopping.
Em recommends the new movie Digger with Tom Cruise.
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The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Subscribe to Mamamia to be automatically entered to win. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply.
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: "A Little Bit Gay" & "I Would Never Have Forgotten My Drugs": The Internet's Hunter Biden Obsession
Listen: The 'Cornell 7' Snapchat Messages & Can We Talk About This Exercise Trend?
Listen: The Victoria Beckham C-word Investigation
Listen: A School Holiday Reckoning & The 'Wifecore' Queen of the VMAs
Listen: What Makes You Rich & Do I Have ‘Ferritin Face’?
Listen: Is It Just Us, Or Does Everyone Sound Exactly The Same?
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
The 5 questions to ask instead of making small talk.
'Your coffee order tells me everything I need to know about you.'
'I thought I'd aced the job interview. Then I realised I failed a hidden test.'
'I'm a TV reviewer. Here are the best shows you may have missed lately.'
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens & Emily Vernem
Acting Group Executive Producer: Georgie Page
Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit
Video Producer: Matt Perry
Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
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Breast milk fountains have hit the runway and for someone who self-identifies as ‘not a fashion girlie’, Jessie Stephens has never been more on trend.

Holly's algorithm has decided it’s time for her to bounce up and down in fitted lycra. We question if it’s ever okay to film during an exercise class and shared some lived experiences that could be used as evidence for why the answer to that question should be ‘no’.

Plus, two years on, the ‘Cornell Seven’ case has been reopened. A civil lawsuit, a reopened investigation and a fraternity group chat have women around the world furious, and Jessie Stephens asks why this story has struck such a nerve. Please note, this segment discusses sexual violence.

Also, one of the smartest women in the world has a problem with the phrase "I really love reading". We speak about whether ‘reading’ is a hobby and if Mary Beard has a point, or if this is snobby and purist, and puts up a barrier to entry for non-avid readers.
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If you are in immediate danger, call 000.
The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Subscribe to Mamamia to be automatically entered to win. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: The Victoria Beckham C-word Investigation
Listen: A School Holiday Reckoning & The 'Wifecore' Queen of the VMAs
Listen: What Makes You Rich & Do I Have ‘Ferritin Face’?
Listen: Is It Just Us, Or Does Everyone Sound Exactly The Same?
Listen: Ed Sheeran’s Disastrous Tour & The Return Of That Celebrity Sex Rumour
Listen: Meghan’s ‘Hi Moms’ & Harry’s Favourite Uncle Enters The Chat
Listen: King Charles' Four Damning Words & The Patrick Clancy Mistake
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.
Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
'I went to Cornell University. Here are the rules women learn before we're old enough to drink.'
'I never thought twice about breastfeeding in public. Then this happened.'
‘I'm a serial gym-quitter. This is how I finally started enjoying exercise.’
A message went out to Cornell fraternity brothers at 1.42am. Look at what happened next.
What Would A Woman Do To An Unconscious Man If She Thought No-One Would Find Out?
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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe
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