Mamamia Out Loud

Should you love your partner exactly as much as they love you? Holly, Jessie and Em can’t agree, and one of them has a bedtime ritual that might settle it. Then they name the famous couples who aren’t quite equally in love. All speculation of course. Tom and Zendaya, we're looking at you.
Plus, it started with an Amazon dish rack and a broken wine glass, and ended with a 30-part TikTok series and nine million views. Em unpacks the New York roommate war the internet couldn’t stop picking sides on, and Holly reveals some of the wild stories of her old sharehouse.
Also, Taylor Swift says Brad Paisley once released thousands of live crickets onto her tour bus. Jessie has questions about men and pranks.
And, in this week’s reccos, a TV show that’s almost too obvious to recommend (but we couldn’t help ourselves), a book people keep thinking is full of typos and a hair product Em didn’t know she needed.

We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.
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Recommendations
Em recommends Bouffe Hair Gloss and Perfume.
Jessie recommends Lost Lambs by Madeline Cash.
Holly recommends TV Show The Diplomat, season 4.
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What To Listen To Next:
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Listen: "Am I A Bad Friend?" Our Team's Personal Dilemmas
Listen: This Is Not A Frivolous Royal Story & Why Your Life Is Chaos Right Now
Listen: The Case Against Being Nice
Listen: Elon Musk & The 4 Hour Documentary We Can’t Watch
Listen: What The Attack On Helen Haines Has Shown Us & The Russell Brand Strategy
Listen: "Major Life Update. We're Getting Divorced. Any Questions?"
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What to read:
Share Your Space: A huge Sydney share house with a drag queen and two cats.
There's a reason why you won’t be seeing any Zendaya and Tom Holland wedding photos.
'I'm doubling down: Nonchalance is ruining modern dating.'
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens & Emily Vernem
Acting Group Executive Producer: Georgie Page
Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit
Video Producer: Matt Perry
Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
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Out Louders, Dr Carter from ER is all grown up and officially the Sexiest Man Alive. Em Vernem has the tea on how the winner actually gets chosen, and it starts with a very grumpy Mel Gibson. Was Noah Wyle your pick, or was someone robbed?

Plus, Holly Wainwright saw her first “word of the year” post this week and felt her neck tense up. It isn’t even November and Christmas decorations are already on sale. We ask why this is the exact week the end-of-year panic sets in.
Also, indoor skydiving, trampoline parks, adult LEGO and now... petting zoos? One Mumsnet mum reckons grown-ups are taking over kids’ days out, and she’s not happy about it. Em will be patting the baby goat regardless.
And Meghan is coming back to film Junior MasterChef. If she’s in Melbourne for a few weeks, where is she living? Toorak is the early favourite. Melbourne Out Louders, we need your expert opinion.
We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.
Skip the 12-week waitlist. Subscribe to Mamamia today and you’ll automatically go in the draw to win a $5,000 B2C Furniture voucher to spend online or in-store on pieces available right now. Subscribe today. T&Cs apply.
Women 30+, we want to hear from you! Take our quick 3-minute survey for your chance to win a $1,000 gift card.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: "Am I A Bad Friend?" Our Team's Personal Dilemmas
Listen: This Is Not A Frivolous Royal Story & Why Your Life Is Chaos Right Now
Listen: The Case Against Being Nice
Listen: Elon Musk & The 4 Hour Documentary We Can’t Watch
Listen: What The Attack On Helen Haines Has Shown Us & The Russell Brand Strategy
Listen: "Major Life Update. We're Getting Divorced. Any Questions?"
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.
Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:

THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
GET IN TOUCH:
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Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.
Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
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Mia asked whether two of her kids’ friends were dating. The answer? No, they’re “talking”. Em and Keeshia try to explain the difference between talking, hooking up and dating, and somehow make it worse.
Plus, Keeshia confesses she’s the friend who never checks in. With the internet now saying that’s a red flag; she's asking whether the weekly “how are you?” text is a kindness or really a chore?
Today, each of our three hosts brings a dilemma to the table. We’re woefully unqualified, but we give it a red hot go.

We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.
Skip the 12-week waitlist. Subscribe to Mamamia today and you’ll automatically go in the draw to win a $5,000 B2C Furniture voucher to spend online or in-store on pieces available right now. Subscribe today. T&Cs apply.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: This Is Not A Frivolous Royal Story & Why Your Life Is Chaos Right Now
Listen: The Case Against Being Nice
Listen: Elon Musk & The 4 Hour Documentary We Can’t Watch
Listen: What The Attack On Helen Haines Has Shown Us & The Russell Brand Strategy
Listen: "Major Life Update. We're Getting Divorced. Any Questions?"
Listen: Andy Lee & Bec Harding’s Royal Wedding & “Can I Crash On Your Couch?”
Listen: Special Episode: Perimenopause, Out Loud
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Got questions or things you'd like Mia to talk about? Email us at outloud@mamamia.com.au
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
'Why you need to treat your friendships like subscriptions.'
'I'd never heard of a friendship "catch-up trap". Turns out, I'm in one.'
'I lent my best friend money after her divorce. How she spent it blindsided me.'
'My best friend became my boss. I didn't expect it to feel like a break-up.'
THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
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GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au
Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.
Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
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For years, the most damning thing anyone could say about Meghan Markle was that she doesn’t speak to her dad. This week, that story took a very dark turn. Holly, Jessie and Amelia unpack the allegations against Thomas Markle (which he denies), Meghan’s response and the role the tabloids have played in all of this.
Plus, if you’re having a rubbish start to the week, it could be because Mercury is now in retrograde in Scorpio! If that sentence gave you the maths-lady meme face, Amelia explains why the next ten days could change the world.
Also, Leigh Campbell, host of You Beauty, posted a very serious Instagram carousel over the weekend announcing a big life decision. We break down our thoughts.
And, Margot Robbie is back on Ramsay Street. Sort of. Yes even though Neighbours has vanished from our screens, it seems it could be coming back in a very different way.
Plus, if you’re in our wonderful Mamamia Outlouders Facebook group, Holly wants to have a chat…
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We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: The Case Against Being Nice
Listen: Elon Musk & The 4 Hour Documentary We Can’t Watch
Listen: What The Attack On Helen Haines Has Shown Us & The Russell Brand Strategy
Listen: "Major Life Update. We're Getting Divorced. Any Questions?"
Listen: Andy Lee & Bec Harding’s Royal Wedding & “Can I Crash On Your Couch?”
Listen: Special Episode: Perimenopause, Out Loud
Listen: The New Ways To Be Rude & “How Much Do You Earn?”
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.
Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
Meghan Markle wrote her estranged father a pointed letter. It made one thing clear.
'They're destroying the monarchy.' The 8 weirdest moments from Thomas Markle's 'tell-all' interview.
Maybe you wouldn’t speak to Harry & Meghan’s families, either.
'My phone addiction was genuinely taking over my life. This is the only thing that fixed it.'
THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au
Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.
Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Somewhere on Lily Allen’s tour schedule, between soundcheck and emails, was “test butt plug”. Holly unpacks the new merch and asks whether celebrity sex toys are still smart business, or just the new perfume.

Plus, Jessie makes the case against being nice. Is keeping the peace quietly wrecking our relationships?

Also, the questions to ask your friends if you actually want to know them better, and why one of them is a slippery slope.

And of course our weekly reccos, including a podcast interview with a bombshell that had one of us gasping on the train, and Em’s defence of a movie nobody likes at all.
We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.
Skip the 12-week waitlist. Subscribe to Mamamia today and you’ll automatically go in the draw to win a $5,000 B2C Furniture voucher to spend online or in-store on pieces available right now. Subscribe today. T&Cs apply.
Recommendations
Em recommends Nobody Wants This season 3 AND has a defence of Digger
Jessie recommends Fruit Fly by Josh Silver
Holly recommends the No Filter episode with Judith Lucy.
Keen for more? Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to No Filter: Judith Lucy Wrote the Book on Wellness. Then She Got Cancer
Listen to our latest episode: Elon Musk & The 4 Hour Documentary We Can’t Watch
Listen: What The Attack On Helen Haines Has Shown Us & The Russell Brand Strategy
Listen: "Major Life Update. We're Getting Divorced. Any Questions?"
Listen: Andy Lee & Bec Harding’s Royal Wedding & “Can I Crash On Your Couch?”
Listen: Special Episode: Perimenopause, Out Loud
Listen: The New Ways To Be Rude & “How Much Do You Earn?”
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
Nobody Wants This season 2 fixes what season one got wrong.
When being too nice is actually holding you back.
Judith Lucy wrote a book about wellness. Then life handed her a cruel twist.
'Some of my friendships were already dead. I just hadn't said it out loud.'
THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au
Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.
Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud
CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens & Emily Vernem
Acting Group Executive Producer: Georgie Page
Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit
Video Producer: Matt Perry
Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.