Mamamia Out Loud

Would you ask a date what they earn? A BBC piece found plenty of people who’d rather not, but Em Vernem has a strict rule she adheres to — Holly's Britishness hates it.

Also, quiet quitting is over. Loud working, with emails scheduled for 2am, is the new survival strategy.

And the new Rules of Rudeness. If you bring a bottle of wine to a friend’s house, are you allowed to drink it? Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright can't agree, and it’s just one of the social rules nobody explained to us. Holly has gone off small talk. Nobody else has.

Plus, Jessie Stephens needs Halloween costume ideas for her twins. Please give us your cutest suggestions in the Outlouders Facebook group!
We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.
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Recommendations
Em recommends Habitat for Humanity
Jessie recommends 3 questions before sleep
Holly recommends Pay attention — writer Emily Maguire finds promiscuous curiosity and cultural receptivity in the creative process
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What To Listen To Next:
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Listen: There's Wh*res In This Gym & Harry’s Masterclass On Grief
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Listen: Zoë Foster Blake’s 'FIBI' Rule Will Change Your Friendships & How To Buy Clothes That Fit You
Listen: The 'Cornell 7', Fraternity Culture & 'Me Too' For A New Generation
Listen: Everything We Know About Sam Wood
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What to read:
social cues I'm still trying (failing) to get my head around at 32
'I spent a week doing everything I could to get fired. Then my boss called me into his office.'
Modern-day social etiquette you should live and die by.
"Don’t delay it." The 5 money conversations every couple needs to have.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens & Emily Vernem
Acting Group Executive Producer: Georgie Page
Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit
Video Producer: Matt Perry
Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
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Our favourite freelance royal Prince Harry is teaching a masterclass in grief, and he’s being paid for it. If everyone from the brother to the butler has made money off Diana, why not her son? Jessie has a theory, and Mia has a number.

Plus a comedian has walked onto one of the biggest stages in American TV and announced that women at the gym now dress like wh*res. Shane Gillis hosted Saturday Night Live, and Jessie has watched the whole monologue - and thinks it’s worse in context. Then the female comics of the world answered him, and Holly says he’s fair game.

Mia is watching a reality show she doesn’t even like. It has something in common with the Matildas, the Eras Tour and a funeral.

And, Girls is coming back. Same girls, now 40.

We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: A Botched Execution & The In-Law Photo Dilemma
Listen: Zoë Foster Blake’s 'FIBI' Rule Will Change Your Friendships & How To Buy Clothes That Fit You
Listen: The 'Cornell 7', Fraternity Culture & 'Me Too' For A New Generation
Listen: Everything We Know About Sam Wood
Listen: A Pap Walk & A Pub Lunch: An Unhinged Royal Wrap
Listen: Three Rules For Life & The Worst Person In A Conversation
Listen: "A Little Bit Gay" & "I Would Never Have Forgotten My Drugs": The Internet's Hunter Biden Obsession
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.
Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
A comedian just called women in the gym 'whores' on SNL. We need to talk about it.
Is Meghan and Harry's return to the UK actually a big deal? An explainer.
'I thought I knew what grief would look like. Eight weeks after Mum died, I realised I was wrong.'
'The best part about this reality show is that the contestants are simply terrible at it.'
THE END BITS:
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Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au
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Mary Fowler pulled out of two Matildas games and flew home, reportedly to be with her injured partner Nathan Cleary. Good on her, or did she let the team down? Em, freshly back from Cambodia, brings Holly and Jessie the sport story everyone has an opinion on. And would the conversation be different if it were Cleary?

Plus, Kelly Clarkson walked into a Brooklyn curiosity shop, asked about a singing mechanical bird and walked out feeling like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. Holly and Em perform a dramatic reading of the feud that followed on X. Who’s in the right? And is a mechanical bird really worth all this?
We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.
MOVE is feel-good fitness by Mamamia. For less than a coffee a week, get unlimited access to hundreds of workouts, ranging from five to 45 minutes. Plus, you get unlimited access to everything across Mamamia, including subscriber-exclusive podcast episodes, articles, discounts and giveaways. Get your MOVE goodness here
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: A Botched Execution & The In-Law Photo Dilemma
Listen: Zoë Foster Blake’s 'FIBI' Rule Will Change Your Friendships & How To Buy Clothes That Fit You
Listen: The 'Cornell 7', Fraternity Culture & 'Me Too' For A New Generation
Listen: Everything We Know About Sam Wood
Listen: A Pap Walk & A Pub Lunch: An Unhinged Royal Wrap
Listen: Three Rules For Life & The Worst Person In A Conversation
Listen: "A Little Bit Gay" & "I Would Never Have Forgotten My Drugs": The Internet's Hunter Biden Obsession
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Got questions or things you'd like Mia to talk about? Email us at outloud@mamamia.com.au
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
Two words were all Mary Fowler owed us.
From Cairns to the World Cup: How Mary Fowler became the youngest Matildas player.
Who is Matildas player Mary Fowler's boyfriend? Everything you need to know about the NRL star.
Kelly Clarkson accused a Brooklyn store of lying. Now it wants to 'clear the air'.
THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
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GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au
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Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
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A 50-year-old woman woke up in a hospital bed last week, angry and confused, because her execution didn’t work. Jessie unpacks the Christa Pike case, and Holly has questions about the Pentagon’s plan livestream the next one.
Stand on the edge of the photo, please, so we can crop you out later. One woman has been getting that treatment from her in-laws for 30 years, and Mia, who is Jessie Stephens’ mother-in-law, wants to talk about it. Jessie is surprisingly understanding.
Also, the boss of Signal refused to play along with a BBC quickfire round, and Holly is worried our feeds have trained us to want real-life conversations on 2x speed.
And, Shanghai has put timers on its public toilets. Mia reckons she’d win.
MOVE is feel-good fitness by Mamamia. For less than a coffee a week, get unlimited access to hundreds of workouts, ranging from five to 45 minutes. Plus, you get unlimited access to everything across Mamamia, including subscriber-exclusive podcast episodes, articles, discounts and giveaways. Get your MOVE goodness here
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Zoë Foster Blake’s 'FIBI' Rule Will Change Your Friendships & How To Buy Clothes That Fit You
Listen: The 'Cornell 7', Fraternity Culture & 'Me Too' For A New Generation
Listen: Everything We Know About Sam Wood
Listen: A Pap Walk & A Pub Lunch: An Unhinged Royal Wrap
Listen: Three Rules For Life & The Worst Person In A Conversation
Listen: "A Little Bit Gay" & "I Would Never Have Forgotten My Drugs": The Internet's Hunter Biden Obsession
Listen: The 'Cornell 7' Snapchat Messages & Can We Talk About This Exercise Trend?
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.
Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
Christa Pike survived her execution. More details about her condition are emerging.
'The cruel "rule" my mother-in-law has when it comes to family photos.'
My Instagram reels addiction has ruined my ability to have a conversation. But can I get it back?
THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au
Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.
Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
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Zoë Foster Blake has two rules for friendship, and one of them starts with a word we can't print here. Keeshia, Holly and Jessie unpack why seeing your friends now needs a Google Calendar reminder.

Plus, a stylist says there's only one place your clothes actually need to fit. Holly's shirt has some explaining to do.

Also, Jessie let four internet sleuths loose on her life for 24 hours. Some of what they found couldn't go to air.

In the reccos, a lipstick that won't budge and a man who narrates running that Holly is addicted to watching in bed.
MOVE is feel-good fitness by Mamamia. For less than a coffee a week, get unlimited access to hundreds of workouts, ranging from five to 45 minutes. Plus, you get unlimited access to everything across Mamamia, including subscriber-exclusive podcast episodes, articles, discounts and giveaways. Get your MOVE goodness here
Recommendations
Keeshia recommends M·A·C Locked Kiss Ink 24HR Lipcolour in the shade brazen.
Jessie recommends Celebrity Traitors UK.
Holly recommends Youth on HBO.
Keen for more? Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: The 'Cornell 7', Fraternity Culture & 'Me Too' For A New Generation
Listen: Everything We Know About Sam Wood
Listen: A Pap Walk & A Pub Lunch: An Unhinged Royal Wrap
Listen: Three Rules For Life & The Worst Person In A Conversation
Listen: "A Little Bit Gay" & "I Would Never Have Forgotten My Drugs": The Internet's Hunter Biden Obsession
Listen: The 'Cornell 7' Snapchat Messages & Can We Talk About This Exercise Trend?
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
'I've found 14 stylish items that will make any outfit look better.'
'I always shared my family life online. Then a stranger approached my son at the train station.'
Zoë Foster Blake has two rules for female friendship. You'll want to steal both.
'I'd never heard of a friendship "catch-up trap". Turns out, I'm in one.'
THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au
Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.
Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud
CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens & Keeshia Pettit
Acting Group Executive Producer: Georgie Page
Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit
Video Producer: Matt Perry
Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.