Mamamia Out Loud

• Uh Oh. The Most Low Status Way To Dress

  There’s a four-letter word taking over the internet — it rhymes with munt — and let’s just say it’s dividing the group chat. We’re diving in, side-eyes and all. Then, has personal style officially left the building? Mia and Jessie are joined by Em Vernem to break down the four forces that have turned fashion into chaos. Plus, our recommendations: the show you’ll binge in a day, the book every Outlouder needs to read, and the one thing guaranteed to scare the crap out of you. And in Best & Worst: gut problems, coping with grief, and a weekend that took 'tradwife' to a whole new level. What To Listen To Next: Listen to our latest episode: The Question We're Finally Ready To Answer Listen: Meghan's Bedtime Routine Is A Lot Listen: Caroline Bessette-Kennedy: The Original Influencer Listen: We're Fighting About Being Ugly Listen: What Supercommunicators Know That We Don't Listen: Sex Toys, Borrowing Money & A Dad's Group Chat Faux Pas Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. Recommendations: Jessie wants you to watch Black Mirror season 7. Em Vernem wants you to watch Sinners by Ryan Coogler. Mia wants you to read He Would Never by Holly Wainwright. What to read: You might not want to ask your stylist for the latest hair trend. Oxford shirts are your new wardrobe essential. We found options from $25. 'The 3 pieces I'm buying to upgrade my style this year as a fashion editor.' 'I'm a fashion editor, and these are the 7 things I wore on repeat all year.' GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Credits Hosts: Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens & Em Vernem Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas Audio Producer: Leah Porges Video Producer: Josh Green Junior Content Producers: Coco & Tessa Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• Meghan's Bedtime Routine Is A Lot

  Michelle Obama has spoken—and she’s not here to please everyone. The former First Lady revealed what it really took to skip Donald Trump’s inauguration, and why sometimes, disappointing people is exactly the right move. Mia, Jessie and Holly explore Michelle's decision and the role of women as 'shock absorbers'. Also, can kids read minds? The hit podcast The Telepathy Tapes thinks so. But the science behind it is looking more complicated. We discuss. Plus, Meghan Markle has shared a surprising part of her bedtime routine—except it’s not for her, won’t be used for years (if ever), and contains a whole lot of admin. And Gwyneth Paltrow is back in the headlines with a twist no one saw coming: she’s eating carbs again. But do we really need to know every time a celebrity changes their lunch order? Yep, our hosts have thoughts on this... What To Listen To Next: Listen to our latest episode: Caroline Bessette-Kennedy: The Original Influencer Listen: An Honest Day On Our Plate Listen: We're Fighting About Being Ugly Listen: What Supercommunicators Know That We Don't Listen: Sex Toys, Borrowing Money & A Dad's Group Chat Faux Pas Listen: The Influencer Who's Changed Too Much & Liz Hurley's Hard Launch Listen: Katy Perry, Gayle King & THAT Blue Origin Space Flight Listen: Clare Stephens - We Have Questions Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. What to read: Read: Meghan Markle writes a letter every night. They won't be opened for years. Read: 'For Meghan Markle's show to succeed, she needs to go full Gwyneth Paltrow.' Read: ‘A debate is raging over Gwyneth Paltrow’s "boyfriend breakfast" and this time I'm on her side.’ Read: Exactly why the internet is convinced the Obamas are divorcing. Read: For a brief moment, the internet was convinced Barack Obama and Jennifer Aniston were having an affair. Read: All of Holly Wainwright's books in one place. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• We're Fighting About Being Ugly

  When you fall for someone else on national television, is there a right way to break the news to your partner? On today's show, we dive deep into the tangled breakup of Jojo Siwa and Aussie Kath Ebbs — and yep, it’s messier than you think. Also, the final leaders’ debate served up a baffling convo about eggs, a full-blown culture war, and plenty of secondhand embarrassment. And finally, we're at home with the deeply calm and zen-like Clooneys. George and Amal never argue apparently but is this really something to aspire to in a marriage? We’re unpacking everything they're missing out on when there's no argy-bargy and reveal what couples actually fight about. What To Listen To Next: Listen to our latest episode: What Supercommunicators Know That We Don't Listen: Sex Toys, Borrowing Money & A Dad's Group Chat Faux Pas Listen: The Influencer Who's Changed Too Much & Liz Hurley's Hard Launch Listen: Katy Perry, Gayle King & THAT Blue Origin Space Flight Listen: Another Little Treat: The Tyranny Of Looking Like You Haven't Tried Listen: A Little Treat: This Special Live Show Recording Spilt 10 Years of Tea Listen: The Exact Science To Keep You Enjoying Your Job Listen: A Very 2025 Diss Track. No Notes. Listen: Clare Stephens - We Have Questions Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. What to read: Hours after leaving Big Brother, JoJo Siwa and Kath Ebbs split. Now, Kath has spoken. After another 'aggressive' incident, Mickey Rourke has left Celebrity Big Brother. Virginia Giuffre, one of Jeffrey Epstein's most prominent accusers, has died, aged 41. Days before her heartbreaking post, Virginia Giuffre was facing court. 'The sausage dog who terrorised Kangaroo Island for 500 days is my obsession. At last, we have an update.' 'My life changed.' A look into George Clooney's family life with 7-year-old twins. 'I asked couples without kids what they actually fight about. One answer kept coming up.' GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• SUNDAY SPECIAL: Mia, Holly & The Attack On Teenage Girls

  Today's Sunday Special is one we think you're going to love. Mia Freedman has been in countless conversations with Holly Wainwright—on mics, off mics, in meetings, in texts. But she’s never been on MID. Until now. In this episode, Holly kicks off Season Five with someone who knows her well, and who’s read something very personal—her brand new book, He Would Never. It’s a story about the limits and power of female friendships, narcissistic love, and the tricky transitions from girlhood to teenagehood. And Mia had thoughts. Lots of them. For one - the teenage girls we were in the 90s are very different than the teenage girls of today. This episode is about writing and ambition. Confidence and self-doubt. Teenage daughters and their teenage selves. It’s a conversation between two women the same age, but at different parenting stages. At the end of this episode, Holly has a very special gift for you - so stick around, you don't want to miss it. You can pre order Holly's book He Would Never here. And it's available in all good book stores from April 29th THE END BITS: Share your feedback! Send us a voice message or email us at [email protected] Follow us on Instagram @MidbyMamamia or sign up to the MID newsletter, dropping weekly here. Mamamia's new podcast BIZ is rewriting the rules of work with no generic advice - just real strategies from women who've actually been there. Listen here. CREDITS: Host: Holly Wainwright Guest: Mia Freedman Executive Producer: Naima Brown Senior Producer: Grace Rouvray Producer: Tahli Blackman Audio Producer: Jacob Round Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• What Supercommunicators Know That We Don't

  When was the last time you cried in front of someone else? Or shared a deep conversation that left you feeling fulfilled? Well friends, we've found a magical list of questions that might be the shortcut to connection. We unpack the secrets of supercommunicators. Plus - Holly's favourite lip products, a book Jessie needs everyone to read, and an article about the most wild new cosmetic procedure we've heard yet... it's our recommendations. And, our bests and worsts including a camping Nicole, a family sick-fest, and some feedback for Nana. Support independent women's media Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular Get your merch for Mamamia Out Loud What To Listen To Next: Listen to our latest episode: Sex Toys, Borrowing Money & A Dad's Group Chat Faux Pas Listen: The Influencer Who's Changed Too Much & Liz Hurley's Hard Launch Listen: Katy Perry, Gayle King & THAT Blue Origin Space Flight Listen: Another Little Treat: The Tyranny Of Looking Like You Haven't Tried Listen: A Little Treat: This Special Live Show Recording Spilt 10 Years of Tea Listen: The Exact Science To Keep You Enjoying Your Job Listen: A Very 2025 Diss Track. No Notes. Listen: Clare Stephens - We Have Questions Listen: A Reality TV Showdown & Coachella's Three Levels Of Cool Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. Recommendations: Jessie wants you to read The Safekeep Novel by Yael van der Wouden Holly wants you to try the NARS Afterglow Lip Balm Mia wants you to check out 'Inside Australia's booming leg lengthening industry' by Erin Docherty What to read: The best new TV shows and movies to binge this long weekend. 'I used these two words constantly until someone called me out. My career changed overnight.' 'There are 6 different conversation styles. If you’re a "builder", stay away from me.' Yes, your friends are talking about you. And other lessons from the 'White Lotus Three'. GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright & Mia Freedman Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas Audio Producer: Leah Porges Video Producer: Josh Green Junior Content Producers: Coco Lavigne & Tessa Kotowicz Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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