Mamamia Out Loud

Em Vernem changes the books on her shelf every time a date comes over. Margaret Atwood goes front and centre. So does a novel she hasn't actually read. Today Jessie Stephens wants to know how we're all arranging our books, and why a fantasy series coming out two centimetres taller has sent Em into a full meltdown.

Plus, Holly Wainwright asks whether there's any such thing as guilt-free reality TV, after Celebrity Traitors UK ended under a duty of care cloud.

Also, Em explains how a 20-year-old just became Formula One world champion and why his teammate went silent on the radio.

And for our recommendations, Jessie has cheated on us with another podcast, Holly watched a horror movie on purpose, and Em has a dip worth taking to a party.

Plus, Holly has a new book coming out! You can pre order her book here.
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Recommendations
Em recommends the snack the 3 Layer nacho dip and if you can't find it to make your own.
Jessie recommends her brand new podcast, Lazy Girl Hour.
Holly recommends Backrooms and to preorder her upcoming book, What I Did To Deserve You.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Everything Jessie Stephens Did Before Getting To Work
Listen: Craig Silvey Pleaded Guilty. Then Published A 9000-Word ‘Apology’.
Listen: Kristen, Dax & Nobody Wants This
Listen: Jennifer Lawrence’s ‘Hot Mum’ Rebrand & The 3-Day Panic You Can Ignore
Listen: Love Gap Relationships & It Started With An Argument About A Dish Rack
Listen: So What For Aussies If Trump "Loses" Next Week? Allow Us To Explain.
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What to read:
'I'm the friend people come to for book recs. These are the 9 books I tell everyone to read.'
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'My days have been a bit sh*t lately. This book is helping.'
Rainbow books and random piles: 14 women share how they style their bookcases.
'I just finished reading the new ACOTAR book. Here are my very honest thoughts.'
'The best reality show of 2025 was one you probably missed.'
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens & Emily Vernem
Acting Group Executive Producer: Georgie Page
Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit
Video Producer: Matt Perry
Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
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A blue wave just swept across America, with Democrats seizing both houses of Congress and flipping states like Texas and Kansas that haven’t voted that way in decades.
Our very own Amelia Lester joins The Quicky to unpack what it means for Trump’s final two years, from the Iran war to AI, and the voters who abandoned him. Plus, we meet the half-Aussie senator some are tipping as the Democrats’ best shot at the White House in 2028.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Craig Silvey Pleaded Guilty. Then Published A 9000-Word ‘Apology’.
Listen: Kristen, Dax & Nobody Wants This
Listen: Jennifer Lawrence’s ‘Hot Mum’ Rebrand & The 3-Day Panic You Can Ignore
Listen: Love Gap Relationships & It Started With An Argument About A Dish Rack
Listen: So What For Aussies If Trump "Loses" Next Week? Allow Us To Explain.
Listen: "Am I A Bad Friend?" Our Team's Personal Dilemmas
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
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The most terrifying part of all of this.
For many young Australians, this election feels like hope.
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Yesterday was a big day in Australia. You may or may not have known that it was the Melbourne Cup and there's a specific link between King Charles and Bec Judd that has them not as worried about the interest rates rise as the rest of us.
On Monday, author Craig Silvey was sentenced to seven months in prison. The same day, he published a 9,000-word ‘apology’ on Substack. We unpack what's in it, what's missing from it and how he was even able to publish it.
Plus, last year we were all told to ‘Let Them’. Now, a character on Nobody Wants This says we should ‘Make Them’. We ask why men and women are given such different self-help advice.

Also, Kim Kardashian's authorised biography is out, and Holly has a question: if someone wrote the story of your life, what would you make them take out?
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Kristen, Dax & Nobody Wants This
Listen: Jennifer Lawrence’s ‘Hot Mum’ Rebrand & The 3-Day Panic You Can Ignore
Listen: Love Gap Relationships & It Started With An Argument About A Dish Rack
Listen: So What For Aussies If Trump "Loses" Next Week? Allow Us To Explain.
Listen: "Am I A Bad Friend?" Our Team's Personal Dilemmas
Listen: This Is Not A Frivolous Royal Story & Why Your Life Is Chaos Right Now
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What to read:
Craig Silvey's behind some of Australia's favourite novels. He just pled guilty to child exploitation crimes.
The 'let them' theory has changed more than 2 million people's lives.
2025 was dominated by the Let Them Theory. 2026 will be Let Them Be Petty.
5 non-judgy self-help books to read to kick off 2024.
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Jennifer Lawrence has launched a hair care line called Mes°, and she’s told the world she wants to be a “sexy mum at drop off”. Amelia had to do some serious soul-searching to work out why she’s so furious about it. Jessie thinks we only have ourselves to blame, and Holly needs a word invented for one very specific feeling.

Plus, how many tins of baked beans are in your pantry right now? Amelia found out who started the stockpiling panic and we explain why most of it can be ignored.

Also, a husband-and-wife podcast, a portrait tattoo and an old clip that has aged very badly. Jessie explains the H3 cheating scandal to two people who have never heard of it.

Plus Martha Stewart has issued a statement about her Halloween costume. It is not an apology. It’s so Martha.
We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.
Women 30+, we want to hear from you! Take our quick 3-minute survey for your chance to win a $1,000 gift card.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Love Gap Relationships & It Started With An Argument About A Dish Rack
Listen: So What For Aussies If Trump "Loses" Next Week? Allow Us To Explain.
Listen: "Am I A Bad Friend?" Our Team's Personal Dilemmas
Listen: This Is Not A Frivolous Royal Story & Why Your Life Is Chaos Right Now
Listen: The Case Against Being Nice
Listen: Elon Musk & The 4 Hour Documentary We Can’t Watch
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.
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What to read:
'Jennifer Lawrence had surgery to be a "hot mum" at drop-off. Mums I know are quietly doing the same.'
Jennifer Lawrence just told us everything she does (and doesn't) do to her face.
In 2022, this podcast host had a lot to say about cheating. That clip has aged badly.
Who are The Try Guys and why is everyone suddenly talking about them?
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Should you love your partner exactly as much as they love you? Holly, Jessie and Em can’t agree, and one of them has a bedtime ritual that might settle it. Then they name the famous couples who aren’t quite equally in love. All speculation of course. Tom and Zendaya, we're looking at you.
Plus, it started with an Amazon dish rack and a broken wine glass, and ended with a 30-part TikTok series and nine million views. Em unpacks the New York roommate war the internet couldn’t stop picking sides on, and Holly reveals some of the wild stories of her old sharehouse.
Also, Taylor Swift says Brad Paisley once released thousands of live crickets onto her tour bus. Jessie has questions about men and pranks.
And, in this week’s reccos, a TV show that’s almost too obvious to recommend (but we couldn’t help ourselves), a book people keep thinking is full of typos and a hair product Em didn’t know she needed.

We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.
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Recommendations
Em recommends Bouffe Hair Gloss and Perfume.
Jessie recommends Lost Lambs by Madeline Cash.
Holly recommends TV Show The Diplomat, season 4.
Keen for more? Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: So What For Aussies If Trump "Loses" Next Week? Allow Us To Explain.
Listen: "Am I A Bad Friend?" Our Team's Personal Dilemmas
Listen: This Is Not A Frivolous Royal Story & Why Your Life Is Chaos Right Now
Listen: The Case Against Being Nice
Listen: Elon Musk & The 4 Hour Documentary We Can’t Watch
Listen: What The Attack On Helen Haines Has Shown Us & The Russell Brand Strategy
Listen: "Major Life Update. We're Getting Divorced. Any Questions?"
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
Share Your Space: A huge Sydney share house with a drag queen and two cats.
There's a reason why you won’t be seeing any Zendaya and Tom Holland wedding photos.
'I'm doubling down: Nonchalance is ruining modern dating.'
THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au
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Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud
CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens & Emily Vernem
Acting Group Executive Producer: Georgie Page
Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit
Video Producer: Matt Perry
Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.