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• What about the Children? Five Values for Multiracial Families with Nicole Doyley

  Nicole Doyley’s life and writing centre on one key question: What about the children?In this episode, Nicole reflects on growing up in a biracial family, her evolving racial identity, and the parenting values she developed as a result. She discusses transracial adoption, the impact of Black History Month, how culture shapes resilience, and why awareness and humility are essential for any caregiver.Nicole shares her family’s story, from her parents’ marriage in the 1960s (when their marriage was still illegal in some states) to her own cross-cultural marriage to a Jamaican man, and how these experiences shaped her understanding of race, belonging, and what it means to be “seen.”Guest: Nicole Doyley is an author and podcast host whose latest book, What About the Children? Five Values for Multiracial Families draws from her personal and professional experiences. Nicole grew up in a biracial family, served as a campus pastor, and now helps parents and communities navigate race, identity, and parenting with honesty and cultural awareness.Host: Dr. Tony Pisani is a professor, clinician, and founder of SafeSide Prevention, leading its mission to build safer, more connected military, health, education, and workplace communities.Resources and References: Nicole Doyley – What About the Children? Five Values for Multiracial FamiliesChimamanda Ngozi Adichie – The Danger of a Single StoryThe Mis-Education of the Negro by Carter G. WoodsonLecrae – story of racial identity, healing, and therapyU.S. Census – changes to allow multiple racial identities (2000)Nicole's podcast – First a Man: growing up in a Black nation (featuring her husband Marvin)

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• Leading with Purpose: CEO Nieves Murray on Change, Compassion, and Community

  In this episode, Nieves Murray, CEO of Suicide Prevention Australia, joins Dr. Tony Pisani for an insightful conversation about leadership, equity, and personal transformation. From her early career in engineering to leading national suicide prevention strategy, Nieves brings a rich mix of personal stories, professional insights, and hard-earned wisdom.Key ThemesThe power of bilingual and bicultural identityLeadership lessons from aged care, finance, and suicide preventionChanging minds: how experience reshapes perspectiveBalancing data with lived experience in policy workGrief, care, and learning from family Nieves Murray: Nieves Murray is the CEO of Suicide Prevention Australia and has spent over 35 years in leadership roles across aged care, finance, and human services. Recognised as one of Australia’s 100 Most Influential Women, she is a champion of systems thinking, community voice, and inclusive policy.Dr. Tony Pisani: Dr. Tony Pisani is a professor, clinician, and founder of SafeSide Prevention, leading its mission to build safer, more connected military, health, education, and workplace communities. Resources and References National Policy Platform by Suicide Prevention AustraliaGood to Great: Why Some Companies Make The Leap and Others Don't by Jim Collins 

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• Structured Support in Suicide Prevention with Jacinta Hawgood

  Welcome to the Never the Same Podcast! Today, we dive into the science of suicide prevention with Jacinta Hawgood, a clinical psychologist, senior lecturer, and researcher at Griffith University.Host Tony Pisani is joined by Jacinta, a leader in the field with nearly 25 years of experience, to discuss how structured approaches like the STARS Protocol are reshaping conversations about suicide. Together, they explore:How STARS (Systematic Tailored Assessment for Responding to Suicidality) bridges structured tools and personal stories.Why protective factors and client-driven care are essential for meaningful interventions.How suicide prevention is evolving, with new roles for non-clinical professionals and lived experience leaders.The biggest misconceptions about suicide, including fears around asking direct questions.Jacinta also reflects on her career, how her thinking has changed over time, and why listening deeply is at the heart of effective care.Don't forget to like & subscribe so you never miss an episode! Together, we’re exploring the stories and strategies that can make a difference.(c) 2024. SafeSide Media, LLC.

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• When Young People Need Support: Conversations That Matter with Dr. Melissa Dundas

  In this episode, Dr. Tony Pisani, Kristina Mossgraber, and Dr. Melissa Dundas discuss the critical role primary care providers play in youth suicide prevention. They share personal insights, professional experiences, and practical strategies to support young people beyond just referrals to mental health services.They cover how to build trust with youth, recognize warning signs, and create a culture of safety within healthcare settings and communities. Whether you're a clinician, educator, parent, or caregiver, this conversation offers valuable takeaways for fostering connection and providing effective support.Note: This episode was originally released in 2023 through a collaboration with Aetna as “Practical Advice About Youth Suicide Prevention in Primary Care”. We loved this chat with Dr Dundas so much we wanted to share it again with our Never the Same Audience.  Guests:Kristina Mossgraber is a suicide prevention advocate with lived experience and part of SafeSide’s faculty, dedicated to improving support systems for those struggling with mental health. Dr. Melissa Dundas is a pediatrician and adolescent medicine specialist passionate about integrating mental health support into primary care.Host: Dr. Tony Pisani is a clinical psychologist and educational media lead at SafeSide Prevention.Mentioned Resources:Evidence-based suicide-specific treatments.Safety planning intervention.Improving cultural competenceReformulating Suicide Risk Formulation, foreseeable changes. If you or someone you know needs support: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (US): 988Lifeline (Australia) - 1800 551 800 Lifeline (New Zealand) - Phone: 0800 543 354 or Text 4357Production Credits:Hannah Mang, Senior Video Editor and ProducerAnnie Lewis, Content and Communications ManagerLuke Pisani, Music  (c) 2024. SafeSide Media, LLC.

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• When Your Work Finds You: Dr. Arielle Sheftall on Child Suicide Prevention and Career Purpose

  Dr. Tony Pisani interviews Dr. Arielle Sheftall, a leading researcher in youth suicide prevention, about the crucial issue of suicide among children and pre-teens. Dr. Sheftall shares insights from her work on understanding and preventing suicide in young people, particularly addressing the rising rates among Black youth. This conversation covers the importance of direct communication about suicide with young people, the role of cultural understanding in prevention, and how to build protective factors for at-risk youth. Key moments include discussions about:Breaking stigma around youth mental healthHow to talk with children about suicideThe impact of family and community supportCultural considerations in suicide preventionResources for families and professionals If you or someone you know needs support: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (US): 988  Lifeline (Australia) - 1800 551 800  Lifeline (New Zealand) - Phone: 0800 543 354 or Text 4357  Production Credits:Hannah Mang, Senior Video Editor and ProducerAnnie Lewis, Content and Communications ManagerLuke Pisani, Music (c) 2024. SafeSide Media, LLC.

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