Outside of Sunday

In this episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura unpack further exposures within the charismatic Christian world. Drawing on their own background in faith healing spaces, they reflect honestly on figures like Todd White, discuss why these patterns have persisted for so long, and explore how gifting, charisma, and powerful testimonies can sometimes be elevated above faithfulness, character, and quiet obedience to Christ.
This conversation isn’t about “charismatic vs conservative”, but about a higher calling for Christian leaders - and for all of us - to fix our eyes on Jesus, practice righteousness without performance, and grow spiritually outside of Sunday.
With listener comments, links to previous episodes, and practical reflections on how we move forward, this episode is an invitation to become more discerning, more grounded, and more anchored in truth, with hope for the future of the Church.
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0:00 – Intro
0:40 – Welcome
1:23 – Listener comments
10:24 – Our background in faith healing
16:25 – Todd White’s exposure
21:20 – Laura’s initial reaction
26:33 – It’s not charismatic vs conservative
28:12 – A higher calling for leaders
32:10 – How has this persisted in the body of Christ for years?
32:19 – Looking more at our lack than at Jesus
35:20 – Lack of discernment
39:12 – Valuing gifting and charisma over faithfulness
44:53 – Practicing righteousness before others
47:22 – How do we move forward?
47:20 – Growing spiritually outside of Sunday
49:20 – Prosperity preachers
50:57 – How we’re handling finances
55:26 – Being faithful with the little things
57:05 – Giving credit to Bethel
59:00 – Be a Nathan
1:01:50 – Is this an answer to our prayers?
1:02:49 – Final thoughts from Laura & Christa
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In this ‘welcome back’ episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I reflect on the summer season - from mum life and recent episodes, to processing heavy news closer to home and within the wider Church. We share our thoughts on the Mount Maunganui tragedy, and then gently but honestly unpack the recent revelations surrounding internationally renowned ‘prophet’ Shawn Bolz.
From toxic honour culture and church discipline, to the fear of God, this episode is a call for sobriety, humility, and deeper discernment in the body of Christ.
We end with a heartfelt call to pastors, and prayer - asking God to purify His Church.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:33 – Intro & welcome back
1:48 – Summer reflections & mum life
3:57 – Reflecting on the Mount Maunganui tragedy
5:12 – Looking back on the summer episodes
9:02 – Thoughts on the Shawn Bolz revelations
12:30 – What happened
14:20 – Mike Winger
16:26 – Jubilee Dawn
18:42 – Thank you, Mike Winger
20:40 – Shawn’s sexual abuse / harassment
22:45 – How much did Shawn’s abuse and deception grieve God?
24:36 – Implications for the Pentecostal Church
27:57 – Discernment
28:11 – Bible verse: Test the spirits
30:00 – My experience at a conference
33:50 – A call to pastors
34:21 – Should we still listen to Bethel Music?
38:17 – Toxic honour culture
40:52 – Paul calling out Peter
43:35 – The goodness of God
45:09 – Hidden bad fruit & the fear of God
46:40 – Church discipline
51:45 – Bethel’s response
55:30 – What is my degree of culpability?
1:00:14 – Prayer
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In this Q&A episode of Outside of Sunday, Julie Colbeth and Destiny Calhoon answer honest questions from our Outsider Retreat attendees. From faith and forgiveness, seasonal depression and church community, to homeschooling and the realities of being a pastor’s wife, this episode dives into the complexities of following God in real life.
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0:00 – Intro
0:45 – How do you balance the tension between forgiveness and boundaries?
3:17 – Was there a time in your life where you struggled with your relationship with God?
5:02 – How long were you using steroid cream before you had steroid withdrawal?
6:47 – Are there dangers in not regularly fellowshipping with other believers?
8:55 – Was homeschooling your children good for your relationship with them, or did it make things harder?
11:55 – Does God allow situations that drain your joy and peace, or is this an issue with your relationship with Him?
23:55 – How can I genuinely walk in forgiveness without feeling it at all?
26:54 – Is there truly an issue with loving a brother or sister in Christ from afar when you know they can rub you the wrong way?
28:36 – In seasonal depression, even if God gives His peace to get you through the day to day, how would you explain why feelings of depressive states come back?
32:50 – What is the fun thing about being a pastor’s wife?
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This episode of Outside of Sunday features a recording from the Outsider Retreat in 2025 with Destiny Calhoon - a woman whose story is marked by deep suffering, unwavering faith, and radical trust in God.
From a near-death car accident and frightening pregnancy complications, to a breast cancer diagnosis while pregnant and the excruciating pain of topical steroid withdrawal, Destiny shares how her life has been shaken - and how God met her in the middle of it all. With honesty and humility, she opens up about wrestling with questions, facing false teaching, and learning what it truly means to glorify God, not just in the good times, but in the hardest ones.
This is a conversation about trials, surrender, and choosing to trust God above all. Destiny’s testimony will gently but powerfully invite you to ask: Will you trust Him - no matter what?
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0:00 – Coming up
0:49 – Introducing Destiny
2:55 – Message introduction
6:19 – Destiny’s love for the Lord & connection with Soli Deo Gloria
7:40 – Trusting and glorifying God with your life
13:00 – False teachings penetrating the church
15:50 – Will you trust God?
19:25 – Destiny’s near-death car accident
21:20 – Newly married, birth scares, and miracles
25:20 – Ask God why, or trust Him?
27:00 – Breast cancer diagnosis while pregnant
28:40 – Digging into God’s Word to understand suffering
29:35 – Finding the lump
32:07 – Wisdom from Isaiah
34:00 – Reconciling her healing when others didn’t receive healing
35:00 – Excruciating trial of topical steroid withdrawal and severe nerve pain
37:19 – God’s Word to Destiny through Scripture
38:26 – Will you trust Him in the good times and the hard times?
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Click here to check out Julie's incredible podcast Whispers of Grace. 
In this second session from the Outsider Retreat, Julie Colbeth brings a powerful and grace-filled word as she lifts the veil of shame and leads us back to the foot of the cross. Through Scripture and honest reflection, she unpacks the beauty of brokenness and why following Jesus calls us to die to self - not to harm us, but to free us.
This session gently challenges the places we resist surrender and reminds us that we can’t do this on our own - but Jesus can. Take a moment to sit with this word, come into the light, and rest in His grace and truth.
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0:00 – Coming up
1:25 – Lifting the veil of shame (1 John)
6:25 – The beauty of brokenness
9:50 – Following our Saviour requires us to die
12:20 – “It is the refusal to die to self that makes us miserable” Calvary Road
13:47 – We can’t do it, Jesus can
17:00 – Why do we fight Him?
18:00 – The cycle of grace and truth
21:25 – The number one way we get stuck
31:00 – Coming to the foot of the cross
32:02 – Matthew 11:28
36:40 – Are you uncomfortable in the light?
38:30 – Eve thought God was trying to hide something good from her
40:45 – Take a moment to sit in this word
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Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.