Outside of Sunday

This week we're joined by Bob McCoskrie from Family First New Zealand. But before the public debates, the advocacy work and 20 years of Family First, there was a young man with a heart for ministry, a love of radio and a passion for reaching people with the truth. Bob takes us back to life before Family First, sharing his Christian testimony, his years working with young people, and how burnout and a growing awareness of the need for a voice for families began to shape his journey.

We chat about the temptation to compromise our Christian convictions, recognising when seasons come to an end, and how Family First came to be. We also get into why putting family first matters, whether Christianity is under attack in New Zealand, and the personal impact of the many battles, hits and losses Bob has experienced along the way. It's an honest and encouraging conversation about faith, standing firm in your convictions and seeking the Lord's direction through every season. Thank you for watching - I hope this episode blesses you! Part 2 out 13 October.

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0:00 - Coming Up
1:10 - Welcome & Introducing Bob McCoskrie from Family First NZ
3:17 - Bob's Life Before Family First
5:04 - Recognising the Need for a Voice for Families & Experiencing Burnout
6:17 - Bob’s First Love: Radio and Broadcasting
10:26 - Bob’s Christian Testimony & Journey of Faith
15:40 - A “Boring” vs “Messy” Christian Testimony
18:10 - The Temptation to Compromise Your Christian Values
23:10 - Recognising When a Season Has Come to an End
26:12 - How Family First New Zealand Began
29:30 - Why Does Putting Family First Matter?
32:38 - Is Christianity Under Attack in New Zealand?
35:35 - The Impact of Family First’s Battles on Bob
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In this Insights episode, we’re starting with a look at what’s going on in the online Christian space and chatting about our new favourite show! Then we’re getting into our reflections on Part 2 of our chat with Nathan Seulei from Pillar NZ, looking at social media, screens, parenting and patriotism - and what all of these things can look like through a Christian lens.
We unpack the conversation around the social media ban for under-16s, the impact of screens on children and family life, and our own experiences of trying to create a healthier relationship with technology. We also talk about what it means to love New Zealand and be patriotic as a Christian, while remembering that our ultimate allegiance is to God.
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0:00 – Coming Up | Social Media, Screens & Patriotism
0:30 – Welcome | Outside of Sunday Insights
1:07 – Listen to Part 2 with Nathan Seulei from Pillar NZ
1:35 – Join Us for the 2026 Outside of Sunday Retreat
2:12 – Katie Taylor Enters the Ring to “All Hail King Jesus”
5:43 – Our New Favourite Show | What We’re Watching
11:41 – Reflecting on Part 2 with Nathan Seulei | Finding Hope
12:35 – Supporting Your Spouse & Having a Godly Marriage
16:10 – Under-16s Social Media Ban | What Do We Think?
19:10 – Screens, Phones & Children | Our Thoughts on Screen Time
21:10 – Reduced Screen Time in Schools | New Zealand Policy
29:05 – Patriotism & Loving New Zealand as a Christian
29:31 – Should Christians Be Patriotic? | Faith & Patriotism
33:52 – Final Thoughts & Encouragement | It Starts With Us
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Hey Outsiders! We're back with Part 2 of our conversation with Nathan Seiuli from Pillar NZ. If you haven't already listened to part 1 - click here!
We’re diving deeper into New Zealand politics, faith and freedom - from the role of the media and the proposed under-16 social media ban, to Pillar’s advocacy work and its views on abortion and euthanasia. Nathan also shares why Christians shouldn’t put all their hope in politics or a Christian government, how we can stay engaged without becoming consumed by politics, and how Nathan lives his faith outside of Sunday.
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0:00 – Coming Up | Nathan Seuili & Pillar NZ
1:05 – Media Consumption & Why the 4th Estate Matters
4:10 – What Is New Zealand’s Under-16 Social Media Ban?
13:31 – Why Do We Get So Excited About New Ideas?
16:35 – Nathan Seuili on Tall Poppy Syndrome in New Zealand
19:22 – What Does Pillar NZ’s Advocacy Work Look Like?
23:05 – Is Pillar NZ a Christian Organisation?
25:44 – Can Christians Thrive Without a Christian Government?
28:27 – Pillar NZ on Abortion, Euthanasia & the Value of Life
30:31 – Nathan Seuili & Pillar NZ’s Relationship with Family First
32:40 – Coming to Auckland & Counting the Cost
36:09 – Politically Engaged vs Politically Consumed
39:19 – What Could NZ look like in 10 Years?
42:53 – How Does Nathan Seuili Live His Faith Outside of Sunday?
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In this Insights episode, Laura and I unpack some of the key themes from part 1 of Nathan Seiuli’s interview, including speaking truth to power, the responsibility that comes with influence, and what it looks like to engage with politics without letting it consume us.
We chat about how power can often corrupt, why people in positions of influence need others who are willing to remind them of the truth, and the importance of speaking God’s truth in love. We also talk about our own responsibility as Christians, including how we respond to the things we can’t control and how our vote can be one way we communicate what we value. 💛
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0:00 - Coming up
0:40 – Welcome & Intro
1:57 – Laura Reacts to a Viral Christian Clip
4:22 – Recap of Part 1 with Nathan
5:12 – Being a High School Dropout
8:19 – Not Living for Politics
8:47 – God Using People in Unique Ways
11:11 – Our Struggles with Speaking
13:19 – We All Have Individual Gifts
15:15 – From Christian Ministry to Supporting Democracy
16:36 – A Kiwi, Not American, Flavour of Politics
17:33 – Nathan Inspired to Speak Up “For Such a Time as This”
18:38 – The Power of a Conversation & 30 Seconds of Bravery
21:38 – Pillar Bridging a Gap
23:24 – What Does “Speaking Truth to Power” Mean?
25:19 – Where Did “Speaking Truth to Power” Come From?
28:49 – We Can Also Speak Truth to Power — In Love
30:05 – Personal Responsibility
36:41 – Finishing Well
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What happens when God takes you somewhere you never expected to go?
In Part 1 of our conversation with Nathan Seiuli from Pillar NZ, we hear the story behind how Nathan went from working in church ministry, to the Free Speech Union, and eventually to founding Pillar NZ.
Nathan shares about his Christian background, the unexpected doors that opened for him in political spaces and the media, and why he believes Christians can have a meaningful voice in places of influence.
We chat about faith, politics, civil liberties, speaking truth, the importance of living with integrity and faithfulness, and what it means to trust God with the opportunities He puts in front of us.
And perhaps one of the biggest challenges Nathan shares is this: it's not just about doing well now...  it's about finishing well.
There's plenty more to unpack so make sure you're back for Part 2 on Tuesday! 
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0:59 – Welcome | Outside of Sunday Podcast
01:39 – Who Is Nathan Seuili & What Is Pillar NZ? | Civil Liberties & Freedom
02:44 – From Church Ministry to Pillar NZ | Nathan’s Ministry Journey
08:49 – Nathan Seuili’s Christian Background & Faith Journey
12:55 – From Free Speech Union to Founding Pillar NZ 
15:23 – Why Politics? Why Should Christians Engage in the Public Square?
18:19 – Speaking Truth to Politicians | Faith, Influence & Christian Convictions
26:14 – The Grace of God & Learning to Finish Well
28:17 – Pillar NZ’s Goals | Civil Liberties, Democracy & the Next Generation
30:35 – Is Pillar NZ a New Zealand Take on American Politics?
33:53 – The Treaty of Waitangi, Democracy & New Zealand’s History
35:54 – Engaging With the New Zealand Media | Why the Fourth Estate Matters
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Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.