Outside of Sunday

In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, I’m reflecting on Part Two of my conversation with Jess from Craft to Christ and sharing some of my own thoughts on what it actually looks like to “leave room for the Holy Spirit”. From listener comments, my thoughts on the release of the Epstein Files, to some deeper conversations around spiritual discernment, demons, submission, and prayer - this episode goes a little wider and a little deeper.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:41 – Welcome and recap on Jess’s episode
2:04 – Listener comments
4:36 – My thoughts on the Epstein Files
12:39 – Wes Huff & Allen Rudduck on the origins of demons
14:44 – My reflections on Part Two of our chat with Jess
15:21 – Insights on leaving room for the Holy Spirit
20:05 – The Holy Spirit and the Bible never disagree
20:51 – What does leaving room for the Holy Spirit look like in real life?
27:16 – We need to apply the Bible to our own lives
27:21 – Submission should not be forced
30:06 – Oversensitivity to the demonic
30:51 – Maturity in Jess’ prayer life
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In Part Two of our chat with Jessica Murphy from Craft to Christ, we focus on the Christian backlash she faced after leaving witchcraft and choosing to follow Jesus.
Jess opens up about the judgement and suspicion she experienced from other believers, and how painful it can be when the very community meant to offer love and support becomes a source of hurt. We talk about how this impacts new converts, and what it really looks like to walk in love with those who are new to faith.
This episode is a gentle but honest invitation for the Church to reflect on how we respond to radical testimonies - and to leave room for discipleship and the work of the Holy Spirit.
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0:00 – Previously
0:35 – How have Jess's children reacted to her conversion to Christianity
4:06 – The power of Jesus over the devil
5:05 – People scaremongering Christians
7:20 – The Christian reaction and backlash to Jess’s conversion
13:48 – Christianity in the UK
16:08 – How can Christians better love new converts?
21:50 – Something Jess is thankful to the Christian community for
24:58 – Advice to parents to keep kids safe from the occult
33:50 – How does Jess live her faith outside of Sunday?

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In today's Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, I'm reflecting on Part One of our chat with Jessica Murphy from Craft to Christ and respond to some of the listener reactions and themes that came up. I talk about the reality of witchcraft and familiar spirits, how New Age practices can lead us into spiritual bondage, and why we don’t need to live in fear. This episode is really about not compromising, staying grounded in truth, loving people well, and being thankful for the quiet, faithful ways God is at work in our lives.
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0:39 – Welcome
1:00 – Part 1 recap
1:35 – Listener comments
2:17 – Witchcraft is real
4:25 – Don’t put yourself into bondage
6:15 – The Bible confirms that witchcraft is real
8:00 – Don’t fear witchcraft
8:56 – Advice on how to confront a friend who is dabbling in New Age practices
11:49 – The insult of familiar spirits
13:00 – Be so thankful for your boring testimony
13:43 – Christa’s main reflection: love
14:46 – We need to stop saying that everyone is a child of God
15:18 – Love your brothers and sisters in Christ
16:54 – I used to think I was one of the 99, not the 1 that was lost
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In this two-part episode of Outside of Sunday, I sit down with Jessica Murray from Craft to Christ, who shares her powerful testimony of encountering Jesus and leaving witchcraft (including her successful witchcraft business).
Jess opens up about her journey from growing up around limited Christianity to becoming deeply involved in modern witchcraft. We talk about spirit guides, familiar spirits, initiation, and the spiritual deception she was caught in, as well as the opposition she faced along the way.
She also shares how a real encounter with Jesus completely transformed her life. Jessica started sharing about Jesus on her platforms, lost thousands of followers - and then watched God use her testimony to lead over 1,000 people to Jesus.
Next week, we’ll hear how her children have reacted to the change in their Mum, learn more about the Christian response to her booming social media page Craft to Christ, and hear how Jess is living her faith outside of Sunday.
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0:48 – Welcome and introducing Jess
2:28 – Making money from witchcraft
3:19 – A mimic spirit
6:35 – Jess’s background in Christianity
7:28 – Childhood imaginary friend: Jesus?
9:24 – Progression into witchcraft
11:24 – New generation of online witchcraft
12:36 – Are psychics there to ‘help’ or make money?
13:48 – Difference between a witch and playing with the occult
16:21 – Initiation into being a witch
17:04 – What is a spirit guide?
18:36 – What is a familiar spirit?
21:49 – Heading to the low point
22:56 – Demonic gang stalking
25:48 – “Christian” attacks
26:34 – Satan’s goal
27:29 – Jess’s encounters with Jesus
32:59 – How did Jess’s community respond to her conversion to Christianity
37:58 – Shutting down her witchcraft social media page, losing 4,000 followers
39:58 – Leading 1,000 followers to Christ
40:30 – The change that God has brought to Jess’s life
43:21 – Coming up in Part 2
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura unpack further exposures within the charismatic Christian world. Drawing on their own background in faith healing spaces, they reflect honestly on figures like Todd White, discuss why these patterns have persisted for so long, and explore how gifting, charisma, and powerful testimonies can sometimes be elevated above faithfulness, character, and quiet obedience to Christ.
This conversation isn’t about “charismatic vs conservative”, but about a higher calling for Christian leaders - and for all of us - to fix our eyes on Jesus, practice righteousness without performance, and grow spiritually outside of Sunday.
With listener comments, links to previous episodes, and practical reflections on how we move forward, this episode is an invitation to become more discerning, more grounded, and more anchored in truth, with hope for the future of the Church.
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0:00 – Intro
0:40 – Welcome
1:23 – Listener comments
10:24 – Our background in faith healing
16:25 – Todd White’s exposure
21:20 – Laura’s initial reaction
26:33 – It’s not charismatic vs conservative
28:12 – A higher calling for leaders
32:10 – How has this persisted in the body of Christ for years?
32:19 – Looking more at our lack than at Jesus
35:20 – Lack of discernment
39:12 – Valuing gifting and charisma over faithfulness
44:53 – Practicing righteousness before others
47:22 – How do we move forward?
47:20 – Growing spiritually outside of Sunday
49:20 – Prosperity preachers
50:57 – How we’re handling finances
55:26 – Being faithful with the little things
57:05 – Giving credit to Bethel
59:00 – Be a Nathan
1:01:50 – Is this an answer to our prayers?
1:02:49 – Final thoughts from Laura & Christa
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