Outside of Sunday

Following our chat with Chantelle Baker, we're reflecting on what it means to navigate politics, disagreement and public controversy as followers of Christ.

In this episode, we share some of our own thoughts on what Scripture says about authority, forgiveness and righteous anger. We're also talking about the importance of listening and extending grace to those we disagree with.

Whether you agreed with everything discussed in our conversation with Chantelle or not, our hope is that this episode encourages you to love the person more than the politics, pursue truth with humility, and keep Jesus as your example.

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0:40 – Welcome
1:20 – Reacting to a Viral Video
9:31 – Recapping on our chat with Chantelle Baker
10:09 – Laura's Thoughts: Then (2022) vs Now (2026)
11:14 – Elon Musk on "Right-Wing" Values
12:43 – Our Reaction to the Wellington Protest
17:20 – Backlash in My DMs
19:11 – Practicing Love and Grace in Disagreement
20:30 – What Does the Bible Say?
21:14 – Righteous Anger: Should Christians Be Angry?
24:02 – What Do We Do with That Anger?
27:51 – God Establishes Earthly Authority
29:20 – When We Must Obey God Rather Than Man
30:42 – Pray for Those in Authority
32:36 – What's More Important: The Person or Their Politics?
35:31 – How Do We Love People We Disagree With?
37:38 – Jesus' Example of Loving Through Disagreement
41:30 – Our Final Challenge: Pray and Act
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In Part 3 of our conversation with Chantelle Baker, we explore some of the most challenging experiences she's faced over recent years.
Chantelle reflects on her time reporting from Ukraine, the backlash that followed, and why she believes it changed her perspective on war and human suffering. She also shares why she chose to take legal action against the New Zealand Herald and Stuff, what motivated that decision, and what she hopes it will achieve.
The conversation finishes by looking at the intersection of faith and politics. What role should Christians play in public life? How should believers approach elections, truth, and standing up for their convictions? And what practical action can Christians take in their own communities?
Whether or not you agree with everything discussed, we hope this conversation encourages thoughtful reflection, gracious dialogue, and a deeper desire to follow Christ faithfully in every area of life.
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0:53 – In Ukraine
1:15 – Reports she is a Russian spy
6:53 – What were the people saying on the street?
7:57 – What has impacted you the most reflecting on your time in Ukraine?
10:35 – Bringing lawsuits against the NZ Herald and Stuff.co.nz
11:54 – Deciding to sue
15:35 – Why not let it go?
19:10 – How do you deal with people hating you so violently?
20:43 – What impact does your faith have on your politics?
21:07 – What is the action Christians should do?
23:33 – Advice for Christians around voting
28:48 – Final thought: We are capable of so much more
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The 2022 Parliament protest became one of the most significant and divisive events in New Zealand's recent history. But what was it like to be there?
In Part 2 of our conversation, Chantelle Baker shares her firsthand account of the protest, reflects on the media coverage and political response, and responds to some of the biggest claims surrounding those 23 days. We also discuss the importance of treating those we disagree with as human beings, the role of prayer and action for Christians, and how the events at Parliament eventually led Chantelle to travel to Ukraine.

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2:00 – What sparked the Wellington protest?
3:32 – Invited to cover the protest from Christchurch to Picton
5:26 – On the ground in Wellington
11:20 – Violence and claims of protesters throwing faeces at police
12:26 – What could have ended the protest sooner?
14:30 – "Russian plant?"
15:33 – Did the protest achieve its goal?
17:06 – What do you hope people remember?
18:22 – Political violence and double standards
19:44 – The way forward: God and prayer
21:08 – Prayer and action
22:56 – Why you should get off social media
25:21 – Why Chantelle went to Ukraine
27:51 – What was the goal in Ukraine?
30:26 – Coming up in Part 3

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Chantelle Baker became one of New Zealand's most recognisable - and controversial - public figures during the COVID years. But behind the headlines, who is she really?
In Part 1 of this conversation, Chantelle reflects on life before the spotlight, what it's like being labelled a "conspiracy theorist," whether trust in the media and politicians can be restored, and how a Christian upbringing eventually led her back to God. She also shares the experiences that ultimately set her on the road to the Parliament protest.
In Part 2, Chantelle takes us inside the Parliament protest itself, sharing what she witnessed and responding to some of the biggest claims surrounding those events.
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0:00 – Coming Up
0:40 – Welcome
1:18 – About Chantelle
3:33 – What Chantelle Thinks About Being Labelled a "Conspiracy Theorist"
8:42 – How Politicians Can Win Back Trust
11:55 – At the Parliament Protest
14:04 – Chantelle's Upbringing
17:24 – Christian Influence From Her Parents
18:18 – Coming Back to God
21:55 – The Road to the Parliament Protest

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In this Insights episode, Laura and I reflect on Part 2 of our conversation with Paris Vashti, unpacking some of the questions that came up around healing, miracles, prayer and the work of the Holy Spirit. We have an honest conversation about the tensions Christians often wrestle with - from being cautious because of counterfeits, to potentially missing out on biblical practices like prayer, laying on of hands and seeking God for healing.
We discuss the importance of holding onto Scripture, approaching spiritual gifts with humility, and trusting God even if we don't get the answer we are longing for. We also reflect on the tragic death of Ann Widdecombe and what it means to count the cost of following Christ in an increasingly hostile culture.
Above all, this conversation is a reminder that the Holy Spirit is not someone to fear or dismiss, but someone God has given to lead, comfort and empower believers - and that the greatest miracle of all remains salvation through Jesus Christ.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:40 - Welcome
1:03 - Ann Widdecombe's death & counting the cost of following Christ
8:56 - Recap: Part 2 with Paris Vashti
9:51 - "I'm the skeptic" - Laura's honest reaction
12:40 - Counterfeits, charlatans & genuine moves of the Holy Spirit
16:30 - Is praying for healing any different from praying for anything else?
17:40 - Have we forgotten to ask? The biblical call to pray
21:35 - Healing, faith & avoiding misplaced guilt
23:28 - When will complete healing come?
28:38 - Salvation is the greatest miracle
30:20 - Manifestations, discernment & biblical truth
32:30 - What does the Bible teach about laying on of hands?
35:49 - What if God doesn't heal?
40:38 - Don't neglect the Holy Spirit
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Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.