The Centre for Healing Podcast

In this wide ranging discussion Daniel Maté speaks with Ryan Hassan & Matt Kay (creators of Embodied Processing) about the interesting dynamics between adult children and their parents.

Daniel goes in depth around the challenges and healing he has had with his father Gabor Maté. Also the need to move away from the term 'boundaries' and more into an attitude of working out what environment we need to create in order for us to thrive as humans.

It's a relationship dynamic that isn't discussed very much in this context. We hope you enjoy the discussion and can take some value for your own life.

Here are recordings of 2 Hello Again workshops facilitated by Daniel & Gabor Maté:
Hello Again 2016
Hello Again 2022

Get in touch with Daniel:
Walk with Daniel - https://www.walkwithdaniel.com/
Daniel Maté website - https://www.danielmate.com/
Lyrics to Go on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyRD8upUhMmCsiQvkFYKQlQ
Daniel Maté instagram - https://www.instagram.com/danielbmate/
Daniel Maté twitter - https://twitter.com/danielbmate

Interview with co-author of The Myth of Normal, Daniel Maté

Ryan & Matt, co-creators of Embodied Processing had the pleasure of recording a conversation with Daniel Maté.
Daniel is co-author with his father Gabor of the new groundbreaking book The Myth of Normal; Trauma, Illness & Healing in a Toxic Culture.

In this wide ranging discussion Daniel talks openly about:
- Bringing such an important book to life
- How the book has been received & how his life has changed since
- What healing actually can look like on an individual & collective level
- His own healing process (involving a Mexican immigration jail)
- The strains & healing in the relationship with his father Gabor
- Whether we should be hopeful or pessimistic about our future as a society

We hope you enjoy the chat as much as we did!

Get in touch with Daniel & Gabor:
Walk with Daniel - https://www.walkwithdaniel.com/
Daniel Maté website - https://www.danielmate.com/
Lyrics to Go on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyRD8upUhMmCsiQvkFYKQlQ
Daniel Maté instagram - https://www.instagram.com/danielbmate/
Daniel Maté twitter - https://twitter.com/danielbmate
Gabor Maté website - https://drgabormate.com/
Gabor Maté twitter - https://twitter.com/DrGaborMate

Episode Summary

In this powerful and paradigm-shifting conversation, Melissa Hiemann sits down with Dr. Tina Vitolo—licensed clinical social worker, rebel educator, and founder of The Black Sheep Therapist—to explore how therapists can ethically integrate spiritual, somatic, and alternative healing modalities into clinical practice.

If you’ve ever felt like you don’t quite “fit” within traditional mental health systems… this episode will feel like a deep exhale.

Tina shares her journey of challenging outdated frameworks in the therapy world and reveals how practitioners can move beyond fear, confusion, and rigid rules—without losing their license or integrity.

Together, Melissa and Tina explore what it really means to be an embodied practitioner, how innovation happens in healing, and why the future of mental health lies in integration—not separation.

What We Cover in This Episode:

What it means to be a “Black Sheep Therapist” and why it’s a gift

The hidden limitations within traditional mental health systems

The truth about “evidence-based practice” (and what therapists often misunderstand)

Whether you can legally and ethically integrate modalities like:

Astrology

Somatic work

Energy healing

Breathwork

Why therapists fear losing their license—and what’s actually true

How to use informed consent, language, and transparency as protection

The difference between therapy vs. separate coaching/healing businesses

How to integrate alternative modalities within a clinical container

The importance of embodiment vs. just learning techniques

Why innovation in healing is essential for better client outcomes



Key Takeaways

You are licensed—not the modality you use

Ethical practice is about transparency, competency, and client choice

Evidence-based practice is broader than most therapists think

Integration (not separation) is the future of healing

Your lived experience and embodiment matter just as much as your training



About Dr. Tina Vitolo

Dr. Tina Vitolo is a licensed clinical social worker, rebel educator, and founder of The Black Sheep Therapist—a global community for clinicians who feel called to practice outside the traditional mold.

With nearly 20 years of experience in mental health, Tina helps therapists ethically integrate spiritual, somatic, and complementary practices into their work—without fear.

She is the creator of the Innovative Practitioner Accelerator (IPA) and author of The Black Sheep Therapist: Integrating Spiritual and Energy-Based Modalities into Clinical Practice.



Connect with Dr. Tina

Website: https://www.theblacksheepguide.com

Facebook Community: Black Sheep Therapists: Embracing Unconventional Practices in Mental Health https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1G4FWJ6oxo/

Instagram & TikTok: @theblacksheeptherapist

Special Offer: Tina is offering a free ebook download of her book from April 13–15. https://theblacksheepguide.com/book-optin-page

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this solo episode, Melissa Hiemann — co-founder of The Centre for Healing and author of Root-Cause Therapy: A Method for True, Lasting Change — shares the story behind her new book, the methodology that took 12 years to develop, and why she believes true, lasting healing can only happen when we address the root, not the symptoms. From her own personal journey through narcissistic abuse, domestic violence, and substance use, to opening a clinic and training practitioners across the world, Melissa unpacks what makes Root-Cause Therapy different from conventional talk therapy and coaching — and why so many people stay stuck even after years of working on themselves. Whether you're on your own healing journey, already in practice, or curious about training in RCT, this episode is for you.

ABOUT MELISSA HIEMANN

Melissa Hiemann is a trauma-informed healer, certified practitioner trainer, and co-founder of The Centre for Healing — a globally recognised training organisation dedicated to bringing root-cause healing to practitioners and clients worldwide. Melissa is the creator of Root-Cause Therapy and the author of two books, including her latest, *Root-Cause Therapy: A Method for True, Lasting Change*. She is also the co-creator of the Trauma-Informed Manifestation Course and a Trauma-Aware Parenting Course. The Centre for Healing celebrated its 10-year anniversary in 2026.

LINKS & RESOURCES

📖 Get the book: thecentreforhealing.com/rctbook

🌐 Find an RCT Practitioner near you: thecentreforhealing.com/directory

🎓 Explore RCT Practitioner Training: thecentreforhealing.com/

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Guest: Stacey Webb

Author of Embodied Grace and creator of the Embodied Grace Card Deck

With a unique background as a former detective, Stacey Webb now guides individuals toward self-compassion, embodied presence, and intuitive trust. Her work supports people in expanding their sense of safety, releasing self-criticism, and stepping fully into themselves with grace.

Stacey is the author of three books, with her newest offering, Embodied Grace, inviting readers into a deeper relationship with themselves through softness, awareness, and inner support.

In this episode, we explore Stacey’s journey from detective work to the healing space, the realities of writing a book, and what it truly means to embody grace in everyday life.

✨ Key Takeaways

The reality of writing a book
Writing a book is a deeply transformative process that often requires more patience, resilience, and personal evolution than we initially expect.

What “embodied grace” really means
It’s about allowing yourself to be supported—by the divine, the universe, or your higher self—and expressing that through grounded presence, humility, and self-love.

Healing people-pleasing patterns
Moving beyond people-pleasing and weak boundaries often involves addressing deeper fears, such as abandonment and rejection.

The power of curiosity over judgment
Self-awareness rooted in curiosity (rather than criticism) creates space for real healing and lasting transformation.

Small acts of self-love matter
Gentle reminders, support systems, and daily acts of compassion toward yourself can significantly shift how you show up in your life.

📚 Resources Mentioned

Embodied Grace (book)

Embodied Grace Card Deck

🔗 Connect with Stacey

Website: https://www.staceywebb.com.au/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_staceywebb/